Trade Mike Flynn to the Browns? - The Baltimore Ravens Forums and Ravens Message Boards

RavenScallywag · #1 08-16-2006, 12:55 PM

Granted, BB and the coaches love the big oaf too much to do it, but seriously, why not? We know he can't block worth two cents, plus we could get something pretty big out of them for him. At the least, we could get a fourth or fifth round pick for him.

StingerNLG · #2 08-16-2006, 01:00 PM

Yeah, but after Friday I am not ready to turn the line over to Jason Brown. That kid might need another half a year to get himself into a solid playing mode.

RavenTD · #3 08-16-2006, 01:02 PM

As much as we are down on our starting center.Does he really deserve the fate of doom,being sent to Cleveland.

highwater · #4 08-16-2006, 01:05 PM

I have to agree with Stinger on this one -- I would love for Brown to take over at center, but he was very disappointing on Friday. It was just one game of course, but I'm beginning to think that we were so desperate for someone to send Flynn to the bench, that we overestimated Brown. I still have high hopes for him, but if that game was any indication, he needs more time.

But having said all that, it's an intriguing idea, because the Browns sure do need some help there.

RavensDomination · #5 08-16-2006, 01:12 PM

I didn't think Brown looked that bad, certainly no worse than Flynn.

StingerNLG · #6 08-16-2006, 01:15 PM

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As much as we are down on our starting center.Does he really deserve the fate of doom,being sent to Cleveland.

Especially since he might burst into flames!!

http://www.profootball24x7.com/forum...hread.php?t=57

PurpleRulz · #7 08-16-2006, 01:52 PM

It seems as if Flynn will be here until he retires. With Jason Brown not developing as fast as hoped, it looks like Flynn will start the entire season at center.

Of course there are some things to consider with Jason:

- Jason was going against Ngata and our DL which seems very deep and very good.

- Jason is still young and it takes time for young centers. See Rabach, Jeff Mitchell, Mike Flynn, etc. I believe though I am not sure that LaCharles Bentley started off as a guard before becoming a center.

- Friday was Jason Brown's first game at center during a game. Last year, Brown played guard.

Once Jason gets the terminology down and gets more game experience at center, he will be very good.

Brown and Chester are going to be fixtures in our interior line for years to come.

AZRAVEN · #8 08-16-2006, 02:09 PM

As much as I want to see Flynn off our line I don't hate him and I sure don't want him dead which is what he would be in Cleveland.

ravenmaniac · #9 08-16-2006, 02:11 PM

Our WHOLE OL had a horrible yr last yr. Think about it Zeus, Vincent, Flynn, Muli and Ogden has his worse yr ever. These guys deserve a chance to prove that they are better than that. Trading our starting C to a division rival for a 5th round draft pick is freakin ludicrous. Brown, Terry, and Chester just give us some much needed depth in that area. The Clowns would have to blow us away to make a trade like that.

RavenScallywag · #10 08-16-2006, 02:17 PM

ok, I guess this is true, but Flynn in particular has been pretty bad over the past couple seasons. We signed him long term, then watched Casey Rabach outperform him and then sent packing, since we had already committed to Flynn.

in all honesty, I feel bad for the Browns this year. without a starting C for this long, their OL is SERIOUSLY going to be thrown off. Plus, their QB is not very mobile, so we're looking at a chance to break the David Carr record of times sacked in a single season.

PurpleRulz · #11 08-16-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenmaniac

Our WHOLE OL had a horrible yr last yr. Think about it Zeus, Vincent, Flynn, Muli and Ogden has his worse yr ever. These guys deserve a chance to prove that they are better than that. Trading our starting C to a division rival for a 5th round draft pick is freakin ludicrous. Brown, Terry, and Chester just give us some much needed depth in that area. The Clowns would have to blow us away to make a trade like that.

On Monday, I was listening to Rob Long's show and I forget the guest, but they talked about our OL. They mentioned that an OL that has Ogden and Mulitalo on it cannot be considered terrible. They also talked about how when the pocket started to collapse around McNair, McNair kept his cool and made his pass.

They talked about how much a good QB can make an OL look better and a bad QB can make an OL look terrible. I still maintain that the OL was not as bad last year as people believed.

1. Jamal was recovering from an ankle injury.

2. Boller would hold onto the ball too long, and would panic even when there was no reason to panic.

All of that to say that I really do not think our OL is as bad as we believe. The guest mentioned that maybe our OL is just build for runblocking better than for passblocking. He also mentioned Jamal does not get 2000 yards behind a bad line.

(I have more points but my wife is rushing me off the computer).

sandiegosean · #12 08-16-2006, 02:43 PM

Our line was terrible last year, don't kid yourself.A new quarterback doesn't change the fact that they were getting blown up at the point of attack. Jamal's 2000 yard season was three years ago, this is a different line now and last year.

Yipicya · #13 08-16-2006, 03:10 PM

No that's ok... I'd rather not have him. Who knows what diseases he'd bring.

LOL

Seriously though, It's the Curse of Jeff Faine!

Brandon · #14 08-17-2006, 06:25 AM

According to what Aaron said in a training camp update, he was surprised Jason Brown wasn't able to push Flynn for the starting position during training camp. In other words, Flynn at the current moment is the best option at CENTER.

towsonraven · #15 08-17-2006, 06:32 AM

I don't think the Browns would even want him. BTW: After two days, I can finally post. Sweet.

ExiledRaven · #16 08-17-2006, 08:21 AM

Flynn may be bad (ok, fine I am being generous with 'may' but I can't speak in absolutes anymore). But even if he was beat out for the starting job I'd still think the best thing to do is to hold on to him for the year at least rather than a trade.

As Cleveland has shown, injuries happen, and losing Brown and having no backup whatsoever would...well, i'd like to hope...be worse than having the tackling dummy standing there. Flynn can also play guard (as we all know) so even though he's being paid a lot, there is a good amount of value to having him as a backup if only for that and his familiarity with the offense and fellow linemen

B-more Ravor · #17 08-17-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

ok, I guess this is true, but Flynn in particular has been pretty bad over the past couple seasons. We signed him long term, then watched Casey Rabach outperform him and then sent packing, since we had already committed to Flynn.

Well, I can't really blame the FO for that. You've got to remember that Rabach showed nothing until 2004 when Flynn got injured. For the 3 prior years, he couldn't beat out Flynn or Bennie Anderson even.

Flynn had his best year in 2003, when Jamal ran for 2000 yards. Flynn did play well that year (and better than Rabach did in 2004). Most surprisingly, 2003 was Flynn's contract year. Also, not surprisingly, Rabach had his best year (or his only year, really) during his contract year.

Unfortunately, since then Flynn has stunk - especially last year.

B-more Ravor · #18 08-17-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleRulz

It seems as if Flynn will be here until he retires. With Jason Brown not developing as fast as hoped, it looks like Flynn will start the entire season at center.

Well, if Brown doesn't supplant Flynn by next year, it's very possible that they both might be gone. That, or Flynn is gone and Brown is relegated to career back-up status.

Next year, Flynn will, for the first time, cost less to cut than keep, so if he's not the starter, he's a goner, IMO. Flynn's cap number for next year is $2.8M and if he is cut, he will only count $1.6M against the cap, so the team will realize a savings of $1.2M.

IMO, he's going to have to play really well this year to see next year.