Ogden to be put on PUP list for start of camp

[Losac]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens725,0,942860.story?coll=bal_tab03_layout

Says the Ravens expected this, but I wonder if he should have had the surgery in the offseason.

Also says they are considering putting Dan Cody on the PUP list. This kid can't get a break. Injuries are killing his career.

[camdenyard]

I'd just as soon JO not have to go through camp. I doubt he needs that at this stage in his career.

[ClericBlackDave]

This is bad news for Terry. Who gets the reps at LT while Ogden is on PUP? I thought the idea was for Terry to get all those RT snaps?


Something tell me Ogden is more done that people think. I've been saying, with others, that the limp during passing camps was concerning.

[Losac]

Something tell me Ogden is more done that people think. I've been saying, with others, that the limp during passing camps was concerning.

And here come the chicken littles...

If Ogden were really "done", he would simply retire. He's not going to put himself through another year if he didn't think he had anything left in the tank for another title run. No sense in risking further injury in camp if it is avoidable. I don't care who gets reps at LT in the preseason, as long as Ogden is on that line come Cincinnati.

[festivus]

My guess is Terry will not be getting the reps at LT. Instead the backup LT will be getting the reps, and Terry is starting RT.

Ogden doesn't need the reps and our OL is so young, somebody else *does*. This is not bad news. On the contrary, it's good news for some kid, who will get reps with the starters when otherwise he wouldn't, and somewhere at the bottom of the roster some other kid is lingering when he might have been cut.

[ravenmad71]

This will defintely give the Ravens and Gaither a chance to see what they really have to work with. Between the practices and preseason. They can see how much true talent and yet seen potential they have in there supplemental pick.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Yeah, I think they are going to leave Terry at RT for the sole purpose of continuity.

Yanda/Krackalic (sp?)/Gaither will be getting most reps at LT and frankly...that isn't sounding so great.

[ClericBlackDave]

as long as Ogden is on that line come Cincinnati.

Thats a very big if. This isn't about being a chicken little, its about realizing that a limp that long after the initial injury, with no surgery and rehab already been done is bad news.

We can spin it all we want but its bad news.

Who is going to take Ogden's reps during training camp? If its Terry, than who's our RT? If its Gaither, are we really comfortable with him starting there in the event Ogden isn't back?


The good news is that with Gaither in the fold, we might have some quality depth. The bad news is that Ogden might be done and we don't have the positions of our other tackles set.


This isn't any chicken little issues, its a serious issue. I think Ogden should have gone for the surgery.

[ravensfan1996]

Im sure the specialist and Doctors dont know as much as we do when it comes to surgery.......

This is just a vet getting the free ride thru training camp. He doesnt really need the reps this late in his career, why risk injury, he gets another month of rehab. If you remember Ogden missed most if not all of camp last year due to his fathers passing. He'll be fine.

[Gwaihir]

this was pulled from that same article :

The Ravens are strongly considering placing linebackers Dan Cody (knee) and Mike Smith (shoulder) and fullback Justin Green (knee) on the PUP list.

I definitely wouldn't mind that as it would free up some roster spots. All three of them could stay on PUP through the first six weeks of the season and it wouln't bother me a bit. Then we could take a nice long look at the new guys and see what we have.

Oh yeah, and I think Ogden is fine. Like Losac said, he wouldn't have decided to play this year if he was seriously injured. Everyone new this was coming ahead of time, after all, he skipped TC last year and played great as usual.

[festivus]

Green on the PUP list is more interesting. Assuming McClain can hold onto the ball and engage a LB in the hole, Green could end up losing his spot on the roster because of the PUP list.

[ClericBlackDave]

Oh yeah, and I think Ogden is fine. Like Losac said, he wouldn't have decided to play this year if he was seriously injured


That makes sense on the face of it, but I also wouldnt' be suprised if he didn't want to leave the Ravens with Just Terry at tackle. And wouldn't be suprised if he thought his toe would be better by now.


I guess we'll see what happens in camp with this, but the limp was noticeable at passing camp. I think it was A. Wilson who said in a scout insider chat that Ogden might have to play through considerable pain all season. Doesn't sound good to me. But maybe thats just me.

[Bez513]

Green on the PUP list is more interesting. Assuming McClain can hold onto the ball and engage a LB in the hole, Green could end up losing his spot on the roster because of the PUP list.

McClain needs to sign first. :grbac:

[ravens-maniac]

i agree that ogden is just using this for more rehab, and a month of no camp, most vets don't like camp and prefer to miss most of it, I think it is a great opportunity to evaluate the young talent and back ups we have. No way Terry will be playing LT in camp, he needs the reps at right tackle.

[jonboy79]

Im sure the specialist and Doctors dont know as much as we do when it comes to surgery.......

This is just a vet getting the free ride thru training camp. He doesnt really need the reps this late in his career, why risk injury, he gets another month of rehab. If you remember Ogden missed most if not all of camp last year due to his fathers passing. He'll be fine.

I agree. I can't imagine he would hav ecome back if he questioned if he could play and contribute or not.
I think Terry will stay on the right through camp as he will emerge from camp there. Yanda will likely play RT on the second line. Gaither will play LT with at least the first line, while Terry may play on the left with the backups. I like it, as the way I see it, we get a real early look at Gaither at a potentially future home. It'll be trial by fire day one.

[purplepoe]

Dave.

Richard Seymour was put on the PUP list this time last year and started every game last year.

You wanted JO to retire for some unknown reason and every time some news breaks, you start with you "JO is done" stuff.

This team is better with JO, whether he's 100% or 90%.

PP

[awalt]

Rotoworld reported this today and it seems a lot less worrisome:

"Ravens T Jonathan Ogden will miss the start of training camp with a toe injury.
Ogden hasn't participated in any offseason work. The toe injury isn't expected to sideline Ogden into the season. If fact, he may just have an agreement with the coaches to skip the first few weeks of camp. Dan Cody, Mike Smith, and Justin Green (knee) may also go on PUP."

[ClericBlackDave]

Dave.

Richard Seymour was put on the PUP list this time last year and started every game last year.

You wanted JO to retire for some unknown reason and every time some news breaks, you start with you "JO is done" stuff.

This team is better with JO, whether he's 100% or 90%.

PP


I agree the team is better with him, especially considering that the team didn't make any moves to get any veteran tackles on the roster.


But to say the toe isn't any concern is very optimistic. He was still limping at passsing camp, and sounds like he will have to play at less than 100% the whole season.


At tackle, i'd rather have terry behind him than gaither, but you want terry to get those reps at right tackle.

[bmorebirds_24]

im not sure what the whole situation is with ogden and the toe i hope this is just the ravens playing safe and trying to keep him fresh billick has always talked lets keep our guys fresh we were 13 and 3 last year and i think our offense is better and our defense is just as good agden at 80 percent is better then anything else so lets keep him fresh and get a rolling start into the season ant not stop rolling til we hit arizona this time its time to forget our players ages and contracts and saddle up for the best football season in ravens history......................

[awalt]

Remember Ogden missed most of last years camp due to his father's death, and had one of his best years in a long time. At his age, less is more.

[purplepoe]

I agree the team is better with him, especially considering that the team didn't make any moves to get any veteran tackles on the roster.


But to say the toe isn't any concern is very optimistic. He was still limping at passsing camp, and sounds like he will have to play at less than 100% the whole season.


At tackle, i'd rather have terry behind him than gaither, but you want terry to get those reps at right tackle.


In an ideal world, Im with ya.

And remember, JO came back and played vs the Colts in the playoffs and was just fine.

This is a precautionary measure that makes complete sense.

PP

[Rex Thunder]

im not sure what the whole situation is with ogden and the toe i hope this is just the ravens playing safe and trying to keep him fresh billick has always talked lets keep our guys fresh we were 13 and 3 last year and i think our offense is better and our defense is just as good agden at 80 percent is better then anything else so lets keep him fresh and get a rolling start into the season ant not stop rolling til we hit arizona this time its time to forget our players ages and contracts and saddle up for the best football season in ravens history......................

Dude, not to be critical- but you have heard of punctuation right? Using periods, commas, and spaces will make your posts much more readable.

As far as Ogden- I'd like to know "how much" he was limping at passing camp. I keep hearing that. Could it have been a cut on his foot the one day you were there? Was he just being gingerly with it- or was he in pain? He was so close to retiring last year I though- I defintely don't think he's come back if he wasn't sure his body could handle it.

Every player is different though- and Seymour is a younger, lighter guy. With Ogden's size, a toe injury can take MUCH longer to completely heal- if EVER. I expect him to be ok for the season though. A little cortizone and he'll tough it out for one last shot at a ring.

[psuasskicker]

Guys, this is almost a necessity. Terry can't move over cause he's locked into the RT spot. But we've got VERY thin backup behind Ogden this year. We have one guy who was not good at all last year, and two others who've never played in the NFL. And we've gotta figure out who's gonna be the best backup for Ogden this year, cause it's a very real possibility that Ogden spends some time on the sidelines with injury.

Best way to do that is to get these guys as many reps as possible. Ogden's gonna be playing in the same offensive scheme, and he just doesn't need the reps to get ready. The other guys do. This is a good thing.

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[ClericBlackDave]

If ogden were down and out, I'd rather have Terry at LT and then either Yanda/Gaither at RT than I would have Gaither/Yanda on the left side.


But knowing that Ogden will at least try to play through it, we know we need to get Terry reps at RT


I mean, what can you do.


I like the eternal optimism coming from everyone, but we are dangerously young at Tackle behind Ogden. This is an improvement though. Before the Gaither pick, we were dangerously thin, now we're just dangerous young and inexperienced.

[jonboy79]

Guys, this is almost a necessity. Terry can't move over cause he's locked into the RT spot. But we've got VERY thin backup behind Ogden this year. We have one guy who was not good at all last year, and two others who've never played in the NFL. And we've gotta figure out who's gonna be the best backup for Ogden this year, cause it's a very real possibility that Ogden spends some time on the sidelines with injury.



See, and I thoguht we had great depth behind Ogden.
Tery is supposed to be the RT, with Ogden on the fiedl. He will get RT rreps as long as Ogden is still projected to play. In the event that JO misses multiple regular season or playoff games,
Terry will move over and Gaither and Yanda will fight for the RT spot, but in TC, I think you will see a lot of Gaither there.

Who si the guy yoiu are speaking of that is young and "was not good at all last year"? I hope yoiu speak of Kracalik as Terry was very good when in the game last year. I hope you were excluding him by leaving him on the right side.

[psuasskicker]

See, and I thoguht we had great depth behind Ogden.
Tery is supposed to be the RT, with Ogden on the fiedl. He will get RT rreps as long as Ogden is still projected to play. In the event that JO misses multiple regular season or playoff games,
Terry will move over and Gaither and Yanda will fight for the RT spot, but in TC, I think you will see a lot of Gaither there.

Who si the guy yoiu are speaking of that is young and "was not good at all last year"? I hope yoiu speak of Kracalik as Terry was very good when in the game last year. I hope you were excluding him by leaving him on the right side.

Yeah, Kracalik. Terry I think has a lot of potential and will be a good T on either side. I'm 50/50 on what I wanna see at TC this year. Terry might be Ogden's replacement and may need to move to the left side if Ogden gets hurt this season. But we can't count on that, and these young guys need some reps too, right?

If Ogden gets hurt, does Terry move to LT for sure for a game or two? If yes, then I say get Terry at LT for half the snaps or more while Ogden's out and let the other guys play RT since that's where they'd fill in anyway (though Terry still needs reps at RT). But if they plan to keep Terry at RT even if Ogden goes down, then keep him there and get the noobs their work at LT.

I don't agree at all that we've got depth at T. We have two great book-ends assuming Terry pans out, and he's shown a lot of promise. But while Yanda (who will probably move inside over the next year or two) and Gaither show promise, and Rimph might be able to fill in a little bit, they're longer term projects...neither is "NFL ready" right now. It would be a MASSIVE downgrade to our line if either of out T's are hurt.

Inside the T's we've got a ton of terrific depth.

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