Pashos Leaving

[ExiledRaven]

Oh man....

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=118&p=2&c=622588&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fravens.scout.com%2f2%2f622588.html

well, if you can read the rest of the article, it says we can't afford him either.


We definitely need to address the OT slot 1st day. If JO is gone too, then we're going to need 2 tackles that have the potential to start. (ie, 1 starting RT, and a quality backup plan)

[GreenWave52]

According to his agent Tony Pashos does not intend to return to the Ravens. This first quote is from Rotoworld:


Ravens T Tony Pashos' agent said the tackle will not remain with the Ravens next season.

"Tony definitely will no longer be a member of the Baltimore Ravens," said Rick Smith. Translation: We already have a ridiculous offer, even though that's 'tampering', and there is no chance Baltimore will match it. Pashos is an average tackle at best and his contract will be a sign of how this market looks.

And this is the agents full quote per The Sun:


"Tony definitely will no longer be a member of the Baltimore Ravens," said Rick Smith, the agent for Pashos. "He is in the same situation as Adalius Thomas. Based on the Ravens' cap situation and the expected interest in the market, they would have to restructure or cut guys. And they have a good foundation there."

Are you kidding me!?! This blows. I've sat through 10 years of atrocious RT play and the 1 year we get a guy who can pass block he flees the coup. Mark my words, Pashos will be the biggest impact defection this year unless he is adequately replaced (by who I have no idea).

Link to Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2190
Link to Sun: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens228,0,156426.story?track=rss

[ExiledRaven]

A first day tackle would make sense.

There are a few options that look promising. I'm upset too, but things should work out alright.

[TL24x7]

Story is up on the home page too here: Pashos (http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=33&id=1193&view=archive)

[GreenWave52]

I hate going into the draft with an obvious need, but you are right. We are probably going to have to hope we can snag a rookie who is ready to step in and perform.

Also I hate that Tampering is overlooked. I feel like the Ravens are the only team that doesn't tamper. There might be a couple of others, but doesn't it always seem like our guys get snatched up at 12:01 am while at the same time we never sign anyone right away.

Billick even joked last year that Ma'ake must have had the sortest negotiations ever since he signed with Carolina in a minute.

It looks like playing by the rules gets you behind in the NFL. Great lesson there, kids.

[ravenmad71]

The Ravens are up against cap challenges. They have the nucleus of a good team with solid players. The way league is set up they can't pay everybody. Its Pashos time to get paid. Tenative plans seem to be you can expect to see Adam Terry at RT. He defintely needs to improve his run blocking if thats the case. You can expect to see the Ravens draft a few linemen taken in the draft. At least one on the first day.

[ExiledRaven]

Here are a few options from what I've done poking around

1) Joe Staley depending on his ability to come in and play right away
2) Justin Blalock ~ reports are he won't be able to play tackle. If that is incorrect information and he can play tackle, it's possible.
3) Arron Sears ~ can play any position on the line, seems like there are questions about him being a better guard than tackle


Those are the 1st-ish round options

Later in the day you've got people like
Ryan Harris ~ average run blocker, UCLA's DE rocked him in pass rushing
Doug Free ~ small school prospect who is a converted TE, is viewed as a finesse player
James Martin ~ typical BC lineman who doesn't have big time physical skills, but gets the job done well and is a hard worker, shifted from LG to LT his senior year

[UKRavenStockers]

Does not surprise me one bit. He was a top 3 RT this year and possibly the most sound RT at pass blocking this year once Jason Peters was shifted to LT by the Bengals. It dissapoints me because I'd love to have him back, but I don't blame him one bit for going after the money, you have a limited window for it and this is an extremely, extremely weak FA class for OTs.

For us now, well Levi Brown fell as a result of Senior Bowl and Combine so there's an outside chance he may fall to us, maybe not but we need something somewhere at RT now and this is highly disturbing. Brown would bring a bit of power blocking back to this line and could see next year's OL as:

LT - Ogden
LG - Mule (Pending recovery from injury)
C - Chester
RG - J. Brown
RT - L. Brown

This is quite the spanner in the works and I hope to god it doesn't limit our good pass blocking on the OL to just this one year, I really enjoyed having that pass blocking quality this year. :(

[GreenWave52]

I'm skeptical about the whole Terry as a RT thing. Aaron himself mentioned that Terry looked terrible playing over there and much more comfortable on the left side (where he has always played). It is not an easy switch to make, plus that gives us exactly ZERO back-ups to either tackle.

I hope the Ravens figure this out because it is my biggest concern going in to next season.

[BertJonesMyHero]

Total bummer. I was really starting to like that guy.
Getting attached to players in todays world is impossible.

btw- How fucked are we if JO retires?

[ExiledRaven]

I think we're not nearly as bad as people said.

Brown is one of those guys that could go top 15 or he could fall. If he fell, that would be great. He's not quite as good a pass blocker, but has a big time mean streak in going after defenders.

Even if we take someone else, and JO is gone, you still have a hopefully solid 1st day pick at RT and Terry at LT. Depth is scary though.

[Khaine]

btw- How fucked are we if JO retires?

To your question, unfortunately I have to say, "very".

This is disturbing news indeed. I liked the whole only one team got sacked less than us last year thing.

[Khaine]

Hey, I’m not a newbie!
Yay!

Ok… back to work…

[UKRavenStockers]

Total bummer. I was really starting to like that guy.
Getting attached to players in todays world is impossible.

btw- How fucked are we if JO retires?

To previous posts, Terry at RT ain't gonna happen, never played it in college, doesn't have the skill set, ain't gonna play there. If he was, he already would have as he's more talented than Pashos.

To Bert, if JO retires, yes we take a step down at LT (Terry I still think will be perfectly capable at LT if Ogden does retire which is why I'm not s**ting bricks over JO retiring) but it doesn't put us in any worse a spot at RT because it doesn't have a bearing on it. RT immediately becomes a need position and one that so far as I can see (unless Levi falls, very possible as his footwork has been shown up in workouts) may only be able to be filled with a stop gap solution by way of a cheap FA because I really don't see a great deal of immediate impact at OT in this year's draft once you get past Joe Thomas.

[Gabrosin]

No chance of Levi Brown making it to us unless he gets himself injured or arrested before the draft, so you can forget that possibility. I'm not a big fan of trying to throw in a rookie at RT anyway. If we can't bring back Pashos, and we don't have the money to sign anyone competent to replace him (there isn't anyone anyway), then Terry will have to suck it up and do his best. I don't want to see Mulitalo back out there... that was a travesty.

We will take a tackle at some point during the draft, maybe even first day, but I don't think we'll be looking at one as a starting option. Looking over this year's prospects, I'm beginning to hope we can come away with a wide receiver, as there's a good chance that a good one (Ginn, Bowe, Meacham, or Rice) will still be available when we pick. Unless Marshawn Lynch continues to slide, none of the options at RB are appealing. A good WR with size and speed will make a great complement for Clayton as Mason's career begins to wind down. Since we have Demetrius Williams, I won't be terribly unhappy if we don't come away with a WR in the first, but I don't think we should take a lesser player at another position based strictly on need.

As for Pashos, good luck on your next team.

[LBoogy]

FUCK.

This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Our young, promising RT is gone on an already depleting O-line.

We need to draft two O-lineman on the first day IMO. I know we won't, but I think we need to.

We need a RG and a RT. Vincent sucks and Terry can't play RT to save his life, not to mention if Ogden retires, we'll need Terry to play LT.

Blalock has to be our guy. If Staley lasts until the 2nd, I think we should grab him there. It's time to get this damn O-line situation settled. I'm tired of waiting around. It's been too long.

Take a RB in the 3rd, get a DE/OLB in the 4th, grab a CB, QB, and resign JJ and Ovie.

Either that, or sign a RT in free agency.

[Sephy]

I didn't mind losing AD, but this is a huge blow. Needs to be fixed, and like now.

[bassgtrst]

Look at Kemo last year, look at Weaver that year, look at Baxter the year before, look at Hartwell that same year.

Those guys were replaced by Ngata, Pryce, Rolle, and AD.

We find amazing replacements when our guys get signed away. One of our replacements is going to cash in big this offseason.

We'll be fine.

[ExiledRaven]

re: other posts

1. Pashos is the best tackle in free agency along with tubby Leonard Davis of the Cardinals. I'm not joking. That's a big reason we won't be able to pay him.

2. I don't think we're that screwed. This draft is very deep in terms of solid guard prospects, in fact, into the second day there should be "ready to start" quality guards around.

As to blalock, according to reports at the Senior bowl it doesn't look like he can swing being a professional tackle. Maybe something has changed, but that's the outlook I got when I checked things out. UK is probably best suited to giving an opinion on that, I am going on second hand stories here since I am without the NFL network. (boo me and boo that).

Guard depth on the team is also better than we think. You've got rimpf who was supposed to be in the running for a slot when he was injured. Brown will start, chester at center, JO/Terry at LT. Then you have Flynn, Mulitalo, Vincent, and Rimpf that can play guard and are competing for the second guard slot. Flynn can play guard and center so you've got a backup plan there.

So when you look at the whole picture, sure, it's not pretty, especially with no JO, but it's not desperate. One ready to start RT and we're out of the woods.

[UKRavenStockers]

Pashos will garner more attention than Davis because he can actually pass block and play tackle, Davis can't play tackle very well and damned sure can't pass pro.

Guards there do seem to be a few in this draft who are 'ready to start' but at tackle as I mentioned it looks pretty thin. Joe Thomas is a no-brainer prospect (not saying he's a no brainer to succeed, but as a prospect he's a no-brainer) and then Levi Brown may be ready to start at RT but I don't see LT in him with his speed (or lack there of) and his footwork (or lack there of). That to me is why he could well fall, you don't take RTs in the top 15, you take guys who can play LT and I don't think Brown can in the pros and I think that could see him fall.

Then after those guys you've got guys like Staley, Tony Ugoh of Arkansas etc. who are projects with the upside to play LT but not the ability to step right in and play IMO. There's lots of tweeners but to me the only guy who's really stepped up and said "yes I can step outside in a pinch" is Sears of Tennessee. Blalock proved at Senior Bowl practices that he pretty much can't step outside.

This is why I'm wary for RT this year and sort of looking for a stop gap solution for this year rather than looking for a guy for the long term that just isn't there this year.

[HDDream]

You're being foolish if you don't think Terry is a very realistic option at right tackle next season. Probably the most likely at this point and with a weak draft for tackles, it could very well stay that way.

[jonboy79]

You're being foolish if you don't think Terry is a very realistic option at right tackle next season. Probably the most likely at this point and with a weak draft for tackles, it could very well stay that way.

It looks like we may be seeing Mule and Flynn start, jsut so we can keep JO, because I agree, that Terry will likely be our starting RT.

I truly hope that Levi Brown slides out of the top 15, of which is possible due to his looking like a RT. If so I think that we HAVE TO trade up and secure him, as he is THE ONLY starting RT in the draft.

[ClericBlackDave]

You mean we're not going to draft a QB with our 1st rounder? :laugh:


No seriously, this team is goign to have some serious needs this offseason, including RB, RT, DB, LB etc


I wouldnt' expect 13-3 again.

[festivus]

My knee jerk reaction is this is grandstanding by the agent, telling the Ravens and other bidders that Tony P. ain't coming cheap.

He could easily be gone, but he may end up staying, too.

[purplepoe]

Haven't we gone over the whole Terry at RT thing? The Ravens wanted to have him play there but it was pretty clear right away that he's strictly a LT.

It ain't happening.

And when did Pashos become some great RT?

He's getting love because the F/A market is thin.

He played well last year.

If someone wants to overpay for him, more power to them.

PP

[highwater]

He's getting love because the F/A market is thin.

I think that's the important point here. I was hoping to keep him, but there are teams out there with a lot of money to spend and we aren't one of them, so someone will very likely overpay for him. If so, that's just the way it goes. I'd like to see him stay but I don't want to overpay for him. He was a competent RT but he's no All-Pro.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Look at Kemo last year, look at Weaver that year, look at Baxter the year before, look at Hartwell that same year.

Those guys were replaced by Ngata, Pryce, Rolle, and AD.

We find amazing replacements when our guys get signed away. One of our replacements is going to cash in big this offseason.

We'll be fine.

One small difference... all on defense. We can find great talent and fit it into our tight defensive unit. On offense, that hasn't exactly been the case.

[jonboy79]

Haven't we gone over the whole Terry at RT thing? The Ravens wanted to have him play there but it was pretty clear right away that he's strictly a LT.

PP

I'd like to de-bunk this "myth". Can anyone tell me they have seen Terry play RT poorly with their own two eyes since TC of his rookie year? He did not try RT at all last offseason as Ogden was out with the passing of his father. Terry was not offerred a shot at the startign RT job simply because he was a clear improvement on the left side, and therefore allowed the team to look at other players better. Pashos was then the De- Facto starter, as he performed well.

So please anyone contradict me. Tell me this is not a message baord perpetuated myth as I feel it is, stemming from his initial pre-draft write-ups, and first Pre-season. I'm not saying he will be all world, but I don't feel he will be a step down either.

[purplepoe]

I'd like to de-bunk this "myth". Can anyone tell me they have seen Terry play RT poorly with their own two eyes since TC of his rookie year? He did not try RT at all last offseason as Ogden was out with the passing of his father. Terry was not offerred a shot at the startign RT job simply because he was a clear improvement on the left side, and therefore allowed the team to look at other players better. Pashos was then the De- Facto starter, as he performed well.

So please anyone contradict me. Tell me this is not a message baord perpetuated myth as I feel it is, stemming from his initial pre-draft write-ups, and first Pre-season. I'm not saying he will be all world, but I don't feel he will be a step down either.

No, people will not tell you they've seen him play poorly at RT since TC his rookie year. The reason is the coaches saw enough and realized he's a LT only.

I've heard DeCosta specifically say that Terry is a LT and only and LT.

Pashos was a huge question mark coming into this season yet he was the starter with no question. If Terry could've given him a run, then why didn't they try it?

JO wasn't out all last offseason. He missed some of TC, but not mini camps. So why didn't Terry get a shot at RT then? Because he's not a RT. Hell, he would've seen alot of time his rookie year if he could've done it. The Brown/Pashos combo of 05 was a joke yet Terry didn't sniff the field. He was a 2nd rounder who we traded up for. Take a look around the league. There a bunch of guys drafted there that see significant time yet Terry didn't.

The FO took a risk by not upgrading the RT position last season and it paid off as Pashos played much better than expected.

PP

P.S. I would love it if Terry could play RT.

[jonboy79]

So nothing could possibly change so that something a kid at 22 couldn't do, due to physical limitations, that couldn't be cured over the next two years. I just really have a hard time believing that nothing could be done with Pashos, if they did not view Terry as at least an adequate stop gap. There are no starting quality tackles that will provide any sort of discount over Pashos, and the draft is thin at the position as far as day 1 starters are concerned. I could be wrong, but i'd be very surprised if Terry wasn't option 1 at this point in time. We still NEED our future RT THIS DRAFT, but It'd be nice if JO stayed a year, Terry stuck it out a year at RT and the new guy moved in day one next after the superbowl when JO, Ray and Stover call it quits.

[purplepoe]

So nothing could possibly change so that something a kid at 22 couldn't do, due to physical limitations, that couldn't be cured over the next two years. I just really have a hard time believing that nothing could be done with Pashos, if they did not view Terry as at least an adequate stop gap. There are no starting quality tackles that will provide any sort of discount over Pashos, and the draft is thin at the position as far as day 1 starters are concerned. I could be wrong, but i'd be very surprised if Terry wasn't option 1 at this point in time. We still NEED our future RT THIS DRAFT, but It'd be nice if JO stayed a year, Terry stuck it out a year at RT and the new guy moved in day one next after the superbowl when JO, Ray and Stover call it quits.

Like I said, I hope Terry can play RT.

The Ravens got caught in a bad spot because of how thin the market is right now for RTs.

Pashos is going to benefit greatly because of it. I think the Ravens would love to re-sign him not only because he's the only prove RT we have, but the fact that JO is at least considering retirement. I gotta believe that they have a pretty good idea that he's staying. Because if he does retire, and Pashos moves on, we're in trouble. Think about it. If that scenario is more than say, 50/50, then I believe the Ravens might even pay a little more than they want for Pashos just based on JO not coming back.

I did a little research and found a little blurb from last July stating that Terry did in fact play some RT in camp.

If they are going to revisit the idea again, I hope he's in a 3 point stance right now. Wherever he is.

And once again, Pashos played well last season, but he's certainly not an irreplaceable player.

PP

[darb72]

Terry can play RT, but he wouldn't be as good at it as some others. He lacks leg drive to handle the larger DEs on the right side. I would say something about losing a little in thrunning game, but we averaged 3.4 YPC last year.

[purplepoe]

Terry can play RT, but he wouldn't be as good at it as some others. He lacks leg drive to handle the larger DEs on the right side. I would say something about losing a little in thrunning game, but we averaged 3.4 YPC last year.

Exactly.

Terry is really a finesse guy when it comes down to it. Maybe that is the reason coaches were so reluctant to put him on the right side.

But with what our run blocking did last year, maybe they realize they can get the same production from him as Pashos and save a whole lot of money.

IMO, Pashos is another in the line of Ravens who play well but get overvalued by the home fans.

PP

[jonboy79]

Terry can play RT, but he wouldn't be as good at it as some others. He lacks leg drive to handle the larger DEs on the right side. I would say something about losing a little in thrunning game, but we averaged 3.4 YPC last year.

This was essentially my, as told by a former Olineman. I know he's not ideal, I know he is lacking in the runnign game, but it appears, to me at least, that the team feels that he can at least hold the position down for 1 year. That is all he needs to do. Bring in a bit of a project for next year, and let JO retire in peace. If JO retires on us after Pashos leaves then that is B.S. With all of the money this team has played him, leaving them in that predicament instead of getting $8m more or so is flat out B.S.

[purplepoe]

If JO retires on us after Pashos leaves then that is B.S. With all of the money this team has played him, leaving them in that predicament instead of getting $8m more or so is flat out B.S.

I just don't think tha will happen.

Could it? Maybe. But I say it's highly doubtful and I bet the Ravens FO pretty much knows JO will be back.

PP

[PurpleRulz]

I am not that broken up about losing Pashos. For starters, as good as he played last season, it could have been solely because it was a contract year. Pashos is this year's Kemo and Kemo did squat with the Panthers.

This also indicates that the Ravens will be OL strong with this draft. I see us coming out of this draft with three OL: Two OTs and an interior OL.

I am getting the vibe that Justin Blalock (who can play tackle and guard) will be our first pick. Blalock will probably challenge for the RT position with Adam Terry.

[ravenwoman]

Again, losing guys in free agency is part of the cycle of football. The Ravens will find replacements and they will grow into their roles. Tony Pashos was a much improved player, but I think he will be overvalued in the marketplace, just like A.D. will be. This year's class of free agents are way overratted (except for AD). I am looking forward to overhauling this "O" line, to get younger, faster and better at run blocking. A new face at running back would also be nice.

[ExiledRaven]

rumor has AD getting 18-19 million signing bonus. Holy hell.

Pashos might get 10, deilman is a guard and is rumored to get $12.

Talk about overpriced.

[pyite32]

I am sorry to see Pashos leave, he was a good pass blocker. Not great in the run however. I have faith that Oz will find us a solution, and we won't have to settle for a one dimensional lineman... At least I hope so.

This is how it is going to be every year guys and gals if the Ravens are serious about following the Pat's blueprint. I take my hat off to them for havin the courage to let these home town favorites leave instead of motgaging the future to sign them.

[pyite32]

hey, I am no longer a Newbie either!!! YAY indeed.

[Art-Florida]

Do not expect to see Terry at right tackle. He is a L E F T tackle, and I think potentially a good one.

Joe Staley in the first round is the way to go (if he lasts till our pick) Now we need Staley more than ever, but it is no longer a nice addition, it has become a necessity. Staley can also play the left side if gods forbid, J.O. retires and Terry goes down.