Ravens fan pays Irsay his respects

[FellsPointRaven]

After watching Indy choke in the Super Bowl, I got these pictures today by e-mail. Icing on the cake for me this week. Kudos to that man for managing to do what some of our intrepid Indy travellers didn't manage to accomplish a couple of weeks ago :thumbup:

http://i45.tinypic.com/scwfpg.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2q0rn7a.jpg

[Mista T]

As many of you on this forum know: that is not me in the photo! (Although we made the pilgrimage to Bourbon Bob's grave, where we found 4 cars of Hoosiers eyeing our every move -- so the member of our group who wanted to pay his "respects" had to wait until we found a gas station instead).

I sure hope that the Ravens fan in the photo doesn't travel through Indiana anytime soon! There are $500 reward signs all over that cemetery, and I'm sure that the local Hoosiers would love to make that money while turning in one of the evil Baltimore Colts fans who participated in this annual rite. (Doubtful that there is extradition for a misdemeanor.)

btw: I saw another piss-on-Bourbon-Bob photo a few weeks ago, but was sworn to secrecy. It was someone else posing.

[Dave Lap]

Ah, a fitting testament to the late Robert Irsay may he rest in pee, uh , peace.

[Losac]

This is the greatest thing ever! :thumbup:

[crpravens]

What is the address to the gravesite? I will be in Indy during May and want to do the same thing.

[Drkraven]

Someone should post this on the Irsay board:crazy::ww:

[Mista T]

What is the address to the gravesite? I will be in Indy during May and want to do the same thing.

Crown Hill Cemetery
Indianapolis
Marion County
Indiana, USA
Plot: Section 88, Lot 5


http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/photos/2001/309/3400_1005086444.jpg

[TheOrioleWay]

After watching Indy choke in the Super Bowl, I got these pictures today by e-mail. Icing on the cake for me this week. Kudos to that man for managing to do what some of our intrepid Indy travellers didn't manage to accomplish a couple of weeks ago :thumbup:

http://i45.tinypic.com/scwfpg.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2q0rn7a.jpg

F*CKING CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I live 90 miles away and have been dying to do that for years. Or a


RAVENS RULE

in spray paint.

Anyone have the "Rest in Piss" showing the members of the Who walking away with pee stains on the grave? Taken from the "Who's Next?" album cover That would be fitting since The Who performed at the SB.

[RockGod]

Classy... :261695:

It's only a sport and a football team. They are as meaningless as a TV sitcom.

[Greg]

Classy... :261695:

It's only a sport and a football team. They are as meaningless as a TV sitcom.

And that's just a guy taking a leak on a rock and some grass.

[RockGod]

And that's just a guy taking a leak on a rock and some grass.

Let me go piss on your fathers grave and tell me it's just a rock and some grass.

[FellsPointRaven]

Let me go piss on your fathers grave and tell me it's just a rock and some grass.

Jimmy?

[Greg]

Let me go piss on your fathers grave and tell me it's just a rock and some grass.

Interesting. Do you know some of the best bonding moments I had with my dad were going to games as a kid with my dad, the season ticket holder since before I was born? He took me to my first game when I was 6 in 1969 and he got me a season ticket in 1970 and from then on I went with him and my older brother who had been going with him for a few years. My brother and I sit together now. I had the chance to take my dad to a tailgate and game in 2000. The San Diego game when we clinched the playoffs for the first time. Note I saw "we" clinched. I really enjoy some sitcoms but when I talk about Michael and Jim from the office I don't use "we."

It is more than a sitcom to dedicated fans and it was something my dad, brother and I could do together and bond together while doing it.

So forgive me if I don't shake it off so easily.

And in any case, Bourbon Bob might appreciate a little moisture right about now.

[HoustonRaven]

Interesting. Do you know some of the best bonding moments I had with my dad were going to games as a kid with my dad, the season ticket holder since before I was born? He took me to my first game when I was 6 in 1969 and he got me a season ticket in 1970 and from then on I went with him and my older brother who had been going with him for a few years. My brother and I sit together now. I had the chance to take my dad to a tailgate and game in 2000. The San Diego game when we clinched the playoffs for the first time. Note I saw "we" clinched. I really enjoy some sitcoms but when I talk about Michael and Jim from the office I don't use "we."

It is more than a sitcom to dedicated fans and it was something my dad, brother and I could do together and bond together while doing it.

So forgive me if I don't shake it off so easily.

And in any case, Bourbon Bob might appreciate a little moisture right about now.

Well said!

[psuasskicker]

Classy... :261695:

It's only a sport and a football team. They are as meaningless as a TV sitcom.

How many sitcoms do you pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to watch and purchase merchandise for and .....

- C -

[RAVENOUS52]

Meh. He probably thought the yellow foam was beer and smiled about it...:beer1:

[Jessterr]

Classy... :261695:

It's only a sport and a football team. They are as meaningless as a TV sitcom.

How's the weather in Indy tonight? 'Cause you sure as hell aren't from Baltimore. And if you are, well............I don't know what to say.

[braven98]

I guess jimmy cant afford to finish the head stone?

[Purpleguy]

As soon as Art Modell dies I'm sure we will have Cleveland fans making the pilgrimage to Druid Ridge cemetery to do the same thing.

[crpravens]

Well A-Hole Drew reads this forum. Personally called me and few others on this thread scumbags on his little radio show at 8:30am this morning.

[Mista T]

Who is a-hole Drew?

[crpravens]

Who is a-hole Drew?

Drew Forrester

[braven98]

drew still on the radio...lol:rolling::kewl::rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:

[braven98]

I didnt realize 1570 was still on? I thought nestor took his hamster and went home.

[df1570]

Well A-Hole Drew reads this forum. Personally called me and few others on this thread scumbags on his little radio show at 8:30am this morning.

Actually, I didn't call anyone here a "scumbag". Feel free - anyone - to go to WNST.net right now, visit the Audio Vault, scroll down to "Drew's Cheap Shot about people who laughed at Irsay grave pics" and listen for yourself. You won't hear me mention the word scumbag, as "crpravens" contends.

What I said - for the record - is that anyone (and I didn't specify this web-site or WNST.net or The Sun web-site or Ravens.com where I saw all of the comments about the Irsay grave issue) who condones, laughs or otherwise supports a shameful, disgraceful act like pissing on someone else's grave is also shameful. I mentioned "screen names" of people here and at other web-sites and some who commented to me via WNST.net.

I recently wrote a piece at WNST.net about the widely circulated photos of the guy wearing a Ravens jersey doing his business at the Irsay grave site.

Out of respect for whatever rules about linking other work Tony might have, I won't link my blog at WNST.net. If you're interested in reading it, you're welcome to do so.

More than anything, honestly, what bothered me most is that the guy wore a Ravens jersey while doing the deed. That and the fact that people circulated the pics as if they were some sort of honorable deed were what led me to write about it and talk about it on the air today.

My Dad passed away in 2003. I'm not sure how many of you out there have lost a mother or father (for me, both), but my reaction wouldn't be kind if I found someone taking a leak on my Dad's grave.

And no matter what Bob Irsay did to sports fans in Baltimore, pissing on the guy's grave isn't something I think should be laughed at...by anyone.

Similarly, when Art Modell passes on someday I'm sure there will be Browns fans with the thought that pissing on his grave is somehow funny and the "right thing to do" and I will take the same stance with them. It's wrong.

That's just me.

And I have the right to voice that opinion, so I did.

But in the future, please do your best to pass along the truth when referencing my show. No one was called a scumbag.

Thanks for your time.

[UKRavenGordon]

Is he actually taking a piss on the grave? I looked at the picture again and to me it looks like he's holding a water bottle as opposed to actually pissing on the grave.

[crpravens]

Drew, I was paraphrasing. Sorry I dont have time to write down exact quotes while I am driving.

[RAVENOUS52]

Drew, I was paraphrasing. Sorry I dont have time to write down exact quotes while I am driving.

Don't be a "scumbag" crpravens, or Drew will find you and own your ass!

LOL

[RavenousD]

Did Drew Forrester really just come here to defend himself?? Really? That's,...."interesting".

I personally don't agree with the picture.....but the move effected a lot of older fans differently....and I respect that.

[Greg]

It isn't something I would do, but I completely understand somebody doing it.

[Drkraven]

It isn't something I would do, but I completely understand somebody doing it.
Agreed--I've threatened it, but then again I've discussed a lot of stuff at tailgate that I would never do.
But what I really find fault with is DF sanctimoniously using our screen names in his piece because of posting in the thread. Argue the point here.
I knew there was a really good reason I don't listen to sports talk -- "big brother" is watching and trying to take the enjoyment out of posting in a safe, friendly environment and that really sucks.
To each their own I guess thanks for ruining my fun.

[TL24x7]

Agreed--I've threatened it, but then again I've discussed a lot of stuff at tailgate that I would never do.
But what I really find fault with is DF sanctimoniously using our screen names in his piece because of posting in the thread. Argue the point here.
I knew there was a really good reason I don't listen to sports talk -- "big brother" is watching and trying to take the enjoyment out of posting in a safe, friendly environment and that really sucks.
To each their own I guess thanks for ruining my fun.

The problem that I have with it is that a debatable topic is taken from one forum (message board) in which people can debate at their own discretion and frequency and dropped into another (radio) without all of the participants sharing equal control. The host of a radio show clearly holds all of the advantages with his on air control panel. Here the playing field if you will, is level.

What makes matters worse is that the anonymity of a screen name was taken away publicly without approval. One might argue that this forum is public and therefore so are the thoughts expressed. But I think many will come here seeking the anonymity and we really don't want to discourage that. We simply want to encourage the free flow of ideas in a respectful way.

Anonymity, unless sacrificed by the message board member freely and intentionally, is an understood concept for most boards in which I've participated. Board members shouldn't be raped of that benefit.

Consequently I have removed the actual name of one board member from this thread because it is the right thing to do and the member asked me to do so.

I just blogged about it here. (http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2010/02/message-board-grave-site-violation.html)

[Dave Lap]

If the way a person conducts their life is so heinous that multitudes want to piss on their grave after they're dead then, in all likelihood, they have earned the disrespect accorded them.

[btownraven]

What I said - for the record - is that anyone (and I didn't specify this web-site or WNST.net or The Sun web-site or Ravens.com where I saw all of the comments about the Irsay grave issue) who condones, laughs or otherwise supports a shameful, disgraceful act like pissing on someone else's grave is also shameful.

It appears Drew's employer not only condones, but considered "offering" a "widely-popular side trip to piss on his grave" during their trip to Indy last month:


ANYONE who is wearing purple is cordially invited to come to our two massive parties on Friday night and all day Saturday to flock together, drink together, dance together, cheer together and have fun as a Baltimore community in Indianapolis.

(I’d insert some Irsay-related insult here, but I’ll refrain and keep that for Saturday afternoon when we might offer up a widely-popular side trip to piss on his grave. But, I digress…)

http://wnst.net/wordpress/nestoraparicio/2010/01/11/everything-you-need-to-know-for-ravens-game-in-indy-here-including-links/

[Mista T]

Mr. Drew: you are busted! :ref:


we might offer up a widely-popular side trip to piss on his grave

You, sir, are exposed as a total hypocrite. Such chutzpa! This is blatant audacity: using your radio station to take an totally unprofessional cheap shot at Ravens fans expressing their opinions on various message boards about pissing on Irsay's grave, while almost simultaneously, your station seeks to profit from advertising a trip to do the same thing!!!!

I believe that an apology, right here on this thread, is in order.

[df1570]

Mr. Drew: you are busted! :ref:



You, sir, are exposed as a total hypocrite. Such chutzpa! This is blatant audacity: using your radio station to take an totally unprofessional cheap shot at Ravens fans expressing their opinions on various message boards about pissing on Irsay's grave, while almost simultaneously, your station seeks to profit from advertising a trip to do the same thing!!!!

I believe that an apology, right here on this thread, is in order.

The radio station I work for organizes and produces bus trips to go see the Wizards play basketball and I go on the air and publicly claim that I think the NBA stinks and that I wouldn't pay $1 to go a see a game.

What WNST does as a business or marketing endeavor has nothing at all to do with the thoughts I have and convey on my show or at WNST.net.

I don't owe an apology for anything related to the blog Nestor wrote about the Indy trip.

Nestor is a big boy. He can organize whatever he wants. Had he put together a trip to visit Irsay's grave, you can bet Drew wouldn't have been there.

My show is my show. I say and do whatever I want. I think people pissing on someone's grave is disgraceful. I don't care who does it and I don't care who the person in the ground might be. And I think people laughing about it and condoning it are shameful in their own right.

And that's that.

Nice try weaving your hate into a "Drew is busted" theme but you fell woefully short.

I'm sure Tony will be along soon to edit something I wrote here like he did yesterday. Hurry up and read ALL OF THE TRUTH that I just authored because once he decides to edit my work, there's no telling what might be left of it.

Or you can zip on over to WNST.net sometime tomorrow and read what I have to say on the subject without having someone edit my thoughts. You'll have plenty to bellyache about then, trust me.

[Losac]

Whose screen names did he mention on the radio?

[df1570]

Whose screen names did he mention on the radio?

You were one of the screen names I mentioned.

[TL24x7]

Nice try weaving your hate into a "Drew is busted" theme but you fell woefully short.

I guess that is a matter of opinion but personally I don't think that btownraven was short at all. In fact, I'd say "nothing but net." ;)


I'm sure Tony will be along soon to edit something I wrote here like he did yesterday. Hurry up and read ALL OF THE TRUTH that I just authored because once he decides to edit my work, there's no telling what might be left of it.

Or you can zip on over to WNST.net sometime tomorrow and read what I have to say on the subject without having someone edit my thoughts. You'll have plenty to bellyache about then, trust me.

No need to edit this post but when you post a person's actual name here without their permission, to me that is a reason to edit and that's all I removed from your post Drew. And I'd do it again.

Hey mods, can we get a yawning emoticon added here?

[df1570]

Hey mods, can we get a yawning emoticon added here?

LOL at that.

Tony, you own the site, run the site, edit the site and control the whole place.

You obviously know where all the buttons and features are.

Just put the yawning thing in there yourself. :193:

[Greg]

The radio station I work for organizes and produces bus trips to go see the Wizards play basketball and I go on the air and publicly claim that I think the NBA stinks and that I wouldn't pay $1 to go a see a game.

What WNST does as a business or marketing endeavor has nothing at all to do with the thoughts I have and convey on my show or at WNST.net.

I don't owe an apology for anything related to the blog Nestor wrote about the Indy trip.

Nestor is a big boy. He can organize whatever he wants. Had he put together a trip to visit Irsay's grave, you can bet Drew wouldn't have been there.

My show is my show. I say and do whatever I want. I think people pissing on someone's grave is disgraceful. I don't care who does it and I don't care who the person in the ground might be. And I think people laughing about it and condoning it are shameful in their own right.

And that's that.

Nice try weaving your hate into a "Drew is busted" theme but you fell woefully short.

I'm sure Tony will be along soon to edit something I wrote here like he did yesterday. Hurry up and read ALL OF THE TRUTH that I just authored because once he decides to edit my work, there's no telling what might be left of it.

Or you can zip on over to WNST.net sometime tomorrow and read what I have to say on the subject without having someone edit my thoughts. You'll have plenty to bellyache about then, trust me.

Did you call out Nestor for organizing (or at least considering it) such a trip like you did fans here who did nothing more than laugh about it?

If not, and since you did not mention doing so I would guess not, then you are indeed a total hypocrite. Don't feel bad, we all are now and then, just is just your hour.

As for the edit, if you use somebody's personal, private information here you will get edited. Be glad he saw it before me, I would have tossed a yellow card your way. We take privacy very seriously here.

As far as the emoticons, Tony is engaged in writing content and running the information side and leaves this side to a few of us.

I don't have any issue with you, Drew, but why the need to mention screen names on the radio or come here and mention real names? You can have your say and disagree with pissing on graves, I can see that side of this argument. But you lose credibility when you start getting personal.

Will this suffice, Tony? :193:

[Mista T]

What WNST does as a business or marketing endeavor has nothing at all to do with the thoughts I have and convey on my show or at WNST.net.

I don't owe an apology for anything related to the blog Nestor wrote about the Indy trip.

Nestor is a big boy. He can organize whatever he wants. Had he put together a trip to visit Irsay's grave, you can bet Drew wouldn't have been there.

My show is my show. I say and do whatever I want. I think people pissing on someone's grave is disgraceful. I don't care who does it and I don't care who the person in the ground might be. And I think people laughing about it and condoning it are shameful in their own right.

And that's that.



You are delusional, "friend". Caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and you are not man enough to own up to yours and WNST's mistake. :insane:

Disgraceful!:thumbdown:

[df1570]

Did you call out Nestor for organizing (or at least considering it) such a trip like you did fans here who did nothing more than laugh about it?

If not, and since you did not mention doing so I would guess not, then you are indeed a total hypocrite. Don't feel bad, we all are now and then, just is just your hour.

As for the edit, if you use somebody's personal, private information here you will get edited. Be glad he saw it before me, I would have tossed a yellow card your way. We take privacy very seriously here.

As far as the emoticons, Tony is engaged in writing content and running the information side and leaves this side to a few of us.

I don't have any issue with you, Drew, but why the need to mention screen names on the radio or come here and mention real names? You can have your say and disagree with pissing on graves, I can see that side of this argument. But you lose credibility when you start getting personal.

Will this suffice, Tony? :193:

I had no idea Nestor discussed or wrote about it until I saw it referenced here.

That's neither here nor there, though, because I wouldn't have been a party to it no matter what. And since my blog at WNST.net is public, I'm sure Nestor has read it and knows how I feel about the subject.

Like I wrote earlier, Nestor is a big boy. We disagree on a lot of things, nearly on a daily basis. This certainly would be an area of disagreement with me. I think that's obvious given my public thoughts about people pissing on someone's grave and others than laughing at it. I find both acts to be shameful.

And the only reason I wrote about it this week at WNST.net and talked about it on the air was because I got the pictures 5 times this week via e-mail.

As I wrote yesterday, you're welcome to go read the initial blog I wrote for my feelings on the whole situation. I started this discussion on the air to mainly reprimand people for forwarding the photos. I then took comments that were sent to my blog and posted here and at other sites in town and mentioned people who thought pissing on Irsay's grave was funny or acceptable.

I'm confused to say the least at the thought that things written here or anywhere on the internet are somehow "private" and shouldn't be mentioned on the radio.

It would be one thing if someone forwarded me a private e-mail sent from person (a) to person (b) and I publicly outed someone's opinion on a subject.

This is a public forum. If I see something here or on any other site that connects with a topic I'm discussing or writing about, I'm going to include it in the work I do.

Tony does the same thing here. He has taken plenty of stuff that's been said on WNST or written at WNST.net and used it here to provide content for his site and add to the discussion or conversation he's promoting.

I haven't stooped to calling him a hypocrite, though, because I understand how this all works. Some of you, clearly, don't understand it.

The web is public. My blog tomorrow at WNST.net will deal with what you deemed "privacy" which, frankly, is NOT really "privacy", but more like the need for anonymity.

There's a difference.

To wit: I've never figured out why people just don't use their real names when posting stuff on the web or commenting on something or writing a blog. It's always baffled me. Why is everyone so afraid of identifying themselves when they post something here or on any other web-site where comments are welcome?

Beats me.

But then I sit back and think about assholes who join the KKK and run around wearing sheets and hoods and I understand it a little better. They wear that garb because they don't want anyone to know who they are. It's a lot easier to be a shit-stirrer when no one can see your face or know your identity. Hence, the hood.

I get it.

But I don't agree with it.

So there it is for you. You'll be able to read more about it tomorrow and this time, I'll be able to mention screen names, REAL names and anything else I want in an effort to give my side of the story.

Hope this suffices. ;)

[RAVENOUS52]

Mista T, did Drew just call you a Klan Grand Wizard?:229031_confused2:

[Mista T]

Mista T, did Drew just call you a Klan Grand Wizard?:229031_confused2:


I believe he did!:girlfight

Unfortunately, half the folks who actively participate on this board, and Drew's boss (perhaps Drew himself, if he thinks hard enough) have seen me many times sans sheets over my head.

[Drkraven]

I think it is the fact you blindsided people that don't listen to yack radio and that is not right or fair.
I use my initials as a screen name so in that sense it does identify me.`You should have made mention that you were going to crap on the posters here for your pleasure before you did it.
Dog, birds and other critter pee and poo on graves all the time, going to bust on them too?

[camdenyard]

Or you can zip on over to WNST.net sometime tomorrow and read what I have to say on the subject

No thanks. There has already been one self-absorbed asshole begging to get the public to read his boring manifestos over there to prop up hit rates. I didn't waste my time with him and I won't waste my time with you.

Irsay was a POS and when you are a POS in life you usually get what you have coming to you.

EDIT: what the dude SHOULD have done was to chisel that horseshoe off the stone.

[UKRavenGordon]

But then I sit back and think about assholes who join the KKK and run around wearing sheets and hoods and I understand it a little better. They wear that garb because they don't want anyone to know who they are. It's a lot easier to be a shit-stirrer when no one can see your face or know your identity. Hence, the hood.


For the record the pissing on the grave thing is not for me. But....

Did you actually just compare some of the people on this board to KKK members? And you're saying on the radio that it is shameful to laugh at this? Here...

My name is Gordon McGuinness and I think you're an ass.

Blog that.

[FellsPointRaven]

For the record the pissing on the grave thing is not for me. But....

Did you actually just compare some of the people on this board to KKK members? And you're saying on the radio that it is shameful to laugh at this? Here...

My name is Gordon McGuinness and I think you're an ass.

Blog that.

I think he was comparing people who disagreed with his viewpoint with clan members. Which means he automatically loses the argument per Godwin's Law (Nazi's, violent racists, what's the difference?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

I didn't anticipate what a shitstorm this thread would kick off although I'd have thought it would have been prudent of Drew to at least come here and argue his point first before going on the airwaves and blasting everyone here without threat of dissent.

I hope he didn't mention me on in his show. I'm pretty famous on the internet. Well, about as famous as Drew is in radioland.

[UKRavenGordon]

I thought he was comparing people who used usernames and 'hide' behind them to clan members using hoods to hide their identities.

Either way, dude is a douche.

[UKRavenGordon]

And I'm pretty sure you didnt get a mention, I heard Losac and crpravens but I think that was it.

[df1570]

I thought he was comparing people who used usernames and 'hide' behind them to clan members using hoods to hide their identities.

You are correct.

If folks in the KKK weren't afraid to let folks know who they are, they wouldn't wear a hood to shield their face.

And by posting something on the internet and NOT using your real name or otherwise identifying yourself, you're hiding your identity.

But this lack of accountability on the web is world-wide. It's certainly not just isolated to this site. And I never said or indicated that it was.

It's more widespread than H1N1.

[UKRavenGordon]

You are correct.

If folks in the KKK weren't afraid to let folks know who they are, they wouldn't wear a hood to shield their face.

And by posting something on the internet and NOT using your real name or otherwise identifying yourself, you're hiding your identity.

But this lack of accountability on the web is world-wide. It's certainly not just isolated to this site. And I never said or indicated that it was.

It's more widespread than H1N1.

The way in which you mentioned it, considering how heated this thread has become very much indicated that.

Congratulations though, you're latest blog will probably be your most viewed yet. Well done....

... That was sarcasm by the way...

[TL24x7]

Will this suffice, Tony?

Perfect....How did I miss this?

Thanks so much!

Oh, Drew, there's a lot about this site that I really don't know about. But I know my teammates have my back....thanks for working the trenches here guys...

[Mista T]

If folks in the KKK weren't afraid to let folks know who they are, they wouldn't wear a hood to shield their face.

And by posting something on the internet and NOT using your real name or otherwise identifying yourself, you're hiding your identity.

Unbelievable! Now you go from crusading against grave desecrators to taking on the hooded KKKers of the internet. Do you have any idea how stupid your posts are? You are now taking on millions of Americans who enjoy having their internet persona and avatars.

I am thoroughly enjoying seeing you making a complete ass of yourself, Drew.

btw Drew: If this was a photo of Holocaust survivors pissing on Eichmann's grave, would you still have your stupid Crusade? OK, you and a few predictable forum members will now lecture me that you can't compare Eichmann to Bourbon Bob, even though his own mother called him the Devil. So, taking it down a notch, how about one of Enron's employes who was scammed of their entire retirement account pissing on Lay's grave, or one of Madoff's Ponzi scheme victims pissing on his grave after he dies?

[Sephy]

You are correct.

If folks in the KKK weren't afraid to let folks know who they are, they wouldn't wear a hood to shield their face.

And by posting something on the internet and NOT using your real name or otherwise identifying yourself, you're hiding your identity.

But this lack of accountability on the web is world-wide. It's certainly not just isolated to this site. And I never said or indicated that it was.

It's more widespread than H1N1.

Comparing people who are laughing at a picture of a dude peeing and mock-crapping on a universally hated guy's grave, and racist people who burn crosses and lynch back in the day. Awesome. Its like Godwin's law for a new generation.

[FredGrau]

Hey Drew (errrrrr dfgolf), why don't you use your real name as your handle? Does that mean you also wear a sheet over your head and belong to the KKK?

Another question dfgolf - Can you EVER disagree with someone's opinion without making it personal and disrespectful? This is why I stopped listening to you years ago - even though you are the ONLY local sports early in the morning. When I did listen to you, at least 80-90 percent of the people you disagreed with was either crazy, delusional, or stupid.

Now (and I've seen many other times), when someone calls you out on your disrespect for others, you get very thin-skinned. Sometimes I also think you also do this as a lame attempt to get people to hit the WNST site.

Are you that insecure?

Here's some advice that actually may boost your ratings - show respect to your listeners and to the people you blog about - even if you disagree with them. Disagree with the opinion, not the person - listen to how Bob Haney (even Nestor) does it. Here's an example: "I disagree with .... because, point A and Point B. Thanks for your call." There's no need to belittle someone even if you think someone's opinion is far-fetched.

P.S. My handle is fredgrau - I have nothing to hide! Also, tell Nestor that fredgrau says hi.

[Greg]

I had no idea Nestor discussed or wrote about it until I saw it referenced here.

That's neither here nor there, though, because I wouldn't have been a party to it no matter what. And since my blog at WNST.net is public, I'm sure Nestor has read it and knows how I feel about the subject.

So have you now mentioned on air how disappointed you are your employer would consider such a thing, because apparently you have been ripping others on the air about this.


And the only reason I wrote about it this week at WNST.net and talked about it on the air was because I got the pictures 5 times this week via e-mail.

So what? So then just state you find it distasteful and leave it at that. Even if you mention that you got e-mails and saw it on internet forums, fine. But no, you start mentioning screen names on the air. Some people are known widely by their screen name.

My screen name was mentioned on air a few times without my knowledge but a number of people told me about it, so people are identifiable by their screen names.


I'm confused to say the least at the thought that things written here or anywhere on the internet are somehow "private" and shouldn't be mentioned on the radio.

Perhaps because the person didn't go on radio to say it? If you used quotes, fine, but using screen names is akin to using real names and doing that with private citizens who haven't given permission should be out of bounds.


This is a public forum. If I see something here or on any other site that connects with a topic I'm discussing or writing about, I'm going to include it in the work I do.

Fine, but don't mention people's screen names without their permission.


Tony does the same thing here. He has taken plenty of stuff that's been said on WNST or written at WNST.net and used it here to provide content for his site and add to the discussion or conversation he's promoting.

I haven't stooped to calling him a hypocrite, though, because I understand how this all works. Some of you, clearly, don't understand it.
Forgive us for not being media savvy but maybe some people don't want their screen name mentioned on the radio. AND IT ISN'T GERMAINE, you could simply quote the offending quote and not mention the screen name. You could even tell people they could find it on this board.

But here is WHAT YOU DON'T GET. I don't listen to your show, so if you call me out on it I can't defend myself. Here I can.

THAT IS HOW THIS WORKS AND NOW YOU KNOW.


To wit: I've never figured out why people just don't use their real names when posting stuff on the web or commenting on something or writing a blog. It's always baffled me. Why is everyone so afraid of identifying themselves when they post something here or on any other web-site where comments are welcome?

I have participated on these boards for a while, Drew, and I know people who have been physically threatened and had their employers called and had other things done to their personal lives.

HOW ABOUT THAT FOR A GOOD REASON?

Here is another, PERHAPS I WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU.


But then I sit back and think about assholes who join the KKK and run around wearing sheets and hoods and I understand it a little better. They wear that garb because they don't want anyone to know who they are. It's a lot easier to be a shit-stirrer when no one can see your face or know your identity. Hence, the hood.

Completely absurd comparison.


So there it is for you. You'll be able to read more about it tomorrow and this time, I'll be able to mention screen names, REAL names and anything else I want in an effort to give my side of the story.

Hope this suffices. ;)
I don't listen to WNST and I don't visit the website. And frankly, I got no intention of ever considering it again if your potential audience is treated with such disdain.

[Drkraven]

But here is WHAT YOU DON'T GET. I don't listen to your show, so if you call me out on it I can't defend myself. Here I can.



I don't listen to WNST and I don't visit the website. And frankly, I got no intention of ever considering it again if your potential audience is treated with such disdain.
Agreed and agreed and I will not even discuss the KKK analogy because its absurd.

[edreedisgod20]

I don't even listen to Baltimore sports radio, but I'm honestly totally appalled at the level of immaturity and lack of professionalism between this guy and Cunningham. Really terrible.

Needs more Aaron Wilson.

[Mr. Mojo Rizon]

ANYONE who is wearing purple is cordially invited to come to our two massive parties on Friday night and all day Saturday to flock together, drink together, dance together, cheer together and have fun as a Baltimore community in Indianapolis.

(I’d insert some Irsay-related insult here, but I’ll refrain and keep that for Saturday afternoon when we might offer up a widely-popular side trip to piss on his grave. But, I digress…)

I'm told the pissing on the grave part was an upcharge and not included in the base price of Nestor's trip. But the Motel 6 accomodations were.

[btownraven]

Drew - do you consider your boss and the radio station for which you work shameful?

[HoustonRaven]

Reason number 124 I listen to The Junkies. Even their occasional Baltimore talk is more in depth than most of what's on the Baltimore airwaves (save Rob Long).

I have never listened to Drew so this is my first impression.

First impressions being what they are -- a very insecure person who is nothing without his radio program.

[B-more Ravor]

I had no idea Nestor discussed or wrote about it until I saw it referenced here.

That's neither here nor there, though, because I wouldn't have been a party to it no matter what.


That's all well and good -and I respect your position and opinion on the subject - however it is "here and there" since you chose to go public and call out members of this Board for the behavior that Nestor, himself, apparently condones.

No, you do not have to agree with it, but are you going to go on the air and call out Nestor?

Otherwise, you are being selective in your targets and willing to criticize those on this board, but apparently unwilling to publicly do the same with Nestor for the same behavior.


So have you now mentioned on air how disappointed you are your employer would consider such a thing, because apparently you have been ripping others on the air about this.


Exactly.

[bmorebirds_24]

Drew will you come back and defend yourself? These Raven24x7 posters are really proving some points here. You see this board is nothing like your radio show, you can't just hang up on us here.


So since you work for Nestor and his radio show....Do you consider them "shameful" for even mentioning pissing on the grave?


Get a set of jewels and quit bitching. Keep that on your radio show where you have 100 listeners. :grbac:

[UKRavenGordon]

His latest blog went up not long ago. I went and had a read. And by read I mean I read the first three sentences, got bored and skimmed the rest until I came to the bits about the board.

But thanks Drew, if I can't get to sleep tonight I'll simply try and read it again. I figure I'll be asleep within no time.

[df1570]

Drew will you come back and defend yourself? These Raven24x7 posters are really proving some points here. You see this board is nothing like your radio show, you can't just hang up on us here.


So since you work for Nestor and his radio show....Do you consider them "shameful" for even mentioning pissing on the grave?


Get a set of jewels and quit bitching. Keep that on your radio show where you have 100 listeners. :grbac:


No need to defend myself. I've said all I've needed to say on the matter. I can't defend my point anymore than I have already. I think pissing on Irsay's grave was wrong. Period. If you (or ANYONE else) thinks it's the "right thing to do", that's your call, but I find it a shameful act and endorsing it is wrong, too.

Now, because Tony won't put me on the payroll and give me the compensation I'm due for helping spike his (diminishing) traffic, I won't carry this any further.

Not here, anyway.

If any of you feel compelled to discuss this with me privately, you can do so at: drew@wnst.net

As you will find out (if you e-mail me), I'm more than happy to engage you if you have a beef.

[baltimore_hokie]

Now, because Tony won't put me on the payroll and give me the compensation I'm due for helping spike his (diminishing) traffic, I won't carry this any further.



meg⋅a⋅lo⋅ma⋅ni⋅a  [meg-uh-loh-mey-nee-uh]
–noun
1. Psychiatry. a symptom of mental illness marked by delusions of greatness, wealth, power, or omnipotence.

OR

megalomania [(meg-uh-loh-may-nee-uh)]

Delusions of grandeur; an extreme form of egotism. Adolf Hitler is generally considered to have been a megalomaniac.

[Mista T]

No need to defend myself. I've said all I've needed to say on the matter. I can't defend my point anymore than I have already.

Drew: You are come across as afraid to debate your position in a public forum outside of your radio show (where you make the rules) or your blog that no one reads. You are either obfuscating on the issues which we have presented here, or perhaps are too dimwitted to understand.

No one here is arguing about your objection to pissing on Irsays grave -- many here likely agree with you, or may be indifferent or ambivalent about the matter. However, what seems to be sailing over your head, as you slither deeper and deeper into the hole each time you post, are issues that show a lack of integrity on your part, namely:

- unilaterally calling out, by name and without their consent, individuals who expressed opinions on this message board

- hypocritically criticizing "nobody" strangers for merely expressing their opinions about the actions taken at Irsay's headstone, while refusing to criticize your station and particularly your boss for a worse act: inciting others to desecrate Irsay's grave as an inducement to spend money on your station's money-making road trip activity. What seems to fly over your head is that money generated from that ad helps pay your salary. You, sir, don't have the balls to criticize Nestor for his grave-pissing ad, while simultaneously attempt to boost your show's ratings by picking on the "nobodies" here.

How do you sleep at night? :229031_confused2:

[HoustonRaven]

I had a buddy back east (who is in the radio business) give me some feed back as to Drew and NST's ratings. I have listened to Nestor a few times but never Drew.

Not good.

His quote "Drew and Nestor like to set fire to everything they touch then walk away while they watch it burn" was very telling.

And a quick check of Arbitron's fall book shows this type of publicity does not translate into ratings. NST gets pwned and are not even relevant in the radio debate in Baltimore.

So, it would appear, the only time Drew gets to actually engage the public is here -- and he cannot do that well either.

[FredGrau]

Hey Drew (errrrrr dfgolf), why don't you use your real name as your handle? Does that mean you also wear a sheet over your head and belong to the KKK?

Another question dfgolf - Can you EVER disagree with someone's opinion without making it personal and disrespectful? This is why I stopped listening to you years ago - even though you are the ONLY local sports early in the morning. When I did listen to you, at least 80-90 percent of the people you disagreed with was either crazy, delusional, or stupid.

Now (and I've seen many other times), when someone calls you out on your disrespect for others, you get very thin-skinned. Sometimes I also think you also do this as a lame attempt to get people to hit the WNST site.

Are you that insecure?

Here's some advice that actually may boost your ratings - show respect to your listeners and to the people you blog about - even if you disagree with them. Disagree with the opinion, not the person - listen to how Bob Haney (even Nestor) does it. Here's an example: "I disagree with .... because, point A and Point B. Thanks for your call." There's no need to belittle someone even if you think someone's opinion is far-fetched.

P.S. My handle is fredgrau - I have nothing to hide! Also, tell Nestor that fredgrau says hi.

OMG, dfgolf used my name without my permission on his blog. What will I do? :261695:

He said I did not like him! Looks like he answered my question about being insecure!

I guess that I'm the only one on this board that doesn't belong to the KKK! :respect

[festivus]

I don't always agree with Drew and I have no problem with his position about urinating on someone's grave, and I've heard smarter people than Drew observe that anonymous posting on the internet is a coward's game.

I disagree with him on both counts but I observe he, as usual when discussing political or social issues, overstates his case in a way that's demeaning to his own argument and just obnoxious.

I give him credit for coming on here and facing the music. Unlike some of our other posters who have blogs elsewhere, I seriously doubt he's paid per hit and he's not doing himself any favors by stepping into such a hostile environment.

If he didn't have a radio show nobody would think his opinion was such a big deal. Comments like this:

Either way, dude is a douche.

are rude and comments like this


megalomania [(meg-uh-loh-may-nee-uh)]

are just plain wrong. The guy is a sports talk show host, I expect him to have strongly held opinions and just because he defends them stubbornly and consistently does not make comments like this appropriate or correct.

[df1570]

Drew: You are come across as afraid to debate your position in a public forum outside of your radio show (where you make the rules) or your blog that no one reads. You are either obfuscating on the issues which we have presented here, or perhaps are too dimwitted to understand.

No one here is arguing about your objection to pissing on Irsays grave -- many here likely agree with you, or may be indifferent or ambivalent about the matter. However, what seems to be sailing over your head, as you slither deeper and deeper into the hole each time you post, are issues that show a lack of integrity on your part, namely:

- unilaterally calling out, by name and without their consent, individuals who expressed opinions on this message board

- hypocritically criticizing "nobody" strangers for merely expressing their opinions about the actions taken at Irsay's headstone, while refusing to criticize your station and particularly your boss for a worse act: inciting others to desecrate Irsay's grave as an inducement to spend money on your station's money-making road trip activity. What seems to fly over your head is that money generated from that ad helps pay your salary. You, sir, don't have the balls to criticize Nestor for his grave-pissing ad, while simultaneously attempt to boost your show's ratings by picking on the "nobodies" here.

How do you sleep at night? :229031_confused2:

T, I don't want to offend you, but there's no avoiding it, so here goes.

Don't take it personally. You're going to complain about this, for sure.

I don't give a shit what "rules" you think exist on this board or anywhere on the web. I didn't sign up for them, don't believe in them and, apparently, neither do YOUR people who have used MY name without MY permission.

I don't care about permission or anything else you're trying to note as a means of noting that I broke some silly, grade school rule about not using someone's screen name without their consent.

This is a public forum. Period. You write something here, even if it's under an assumed identity, and you're fair game. Just like when I say or write something on the air, you and others have the flexibility and freedom to opine on however you want. The way I see it, when you post it publicly, you're in the game. That's MY world. If you don't like it, lump it.

I don't know how many MORE times I have to write this. I don't understand what it is, exactly, you're looking for me to say. I don't condone anyone's thought that pissing on Bob Irsay's grave is acceptable. Had my radio station - the one I work for, that is - engaged in a group outing or such to piss on Irsay's grave, I wouldn't have been a party to it and, I assume, would have written and talked about it on the air.

To wit: We took a group of fans to the final Ravens/Steelers game in Pittsburgh this year. As is the typical behavior of MOST football fans, a contingent in our group had too much to drink and then not only battled with Pittsburgh fans, but others on OUR bus from Baltimore.

I beat them up the next day on the air.

If you're going to get drunk and act like a horse's ass, I don't really care where you're from. If you use offensive language to women in the group, I'll render my opinion accordingly. And yes, those people on the bus help pay my salary. But if you get drink and offend people with your boorish behavior, I'll speak out on the air, which I did.

I've made mention of this before, but since you either don't want to read it all or can't because you're too busy moderating, I'll give you this one more time. My station organizes and sponsors bus trips to DC to see the Wizards. I don't participate. In fact, I've gone on the air on a number of occasions and mentioned that I wouldn't pay $1.00 to go see an NBA game. You won't hear me suddenly change my tune and say, "You know, that Denver vs. Washington game seems appealing next Friday, I think I'll go with the bus down to the Verizon Center."

I say or write whatever I want, which is why I wrote the Irsay grave pissing blog in the first place. Nestor is quite aware that I wouldn't have approved of it. If you have a problem with Nestor, he's always willing to answer your e-mails, as am I. Nestor didn't agree with my constant badgering of the Orioles about putting Baltimore on the road jerseys three years ago. He said on the air, often, "I don't see why Drew is all worked up about that, but that's his cause so I hope he gets what he wants."

I'm not sure what else you want me to say.

Honestly, I don't think you know either.

It's just fun - for you - to keep up the fight.

With football season over, you're bored. I get it, believe me. What else are we going to talk about until August?

I've answered all of your questions, comments, snarky remarks and anything else you wanted me to address while slithering back to my hole.

NOW...if you have something else that you'd like to address with me, reach out to me via e-mail privately. Or tell Tony to throw some money into my PayPal account and I'll come around every day or so to help fund his off-season efforts. I'm tired of helping to pay for his trips to the Keys. LOL

And yes...as you alluded to yesterday, I do know who you are in REAL life.

I'm sure you'll get a mention or two tomorrow on the show.

[RavensDomination]

Hey Drew (errrrrr dfgolf), why don't you use your real name as your handle? Does that mean you also wear a sheet over your head and belong to the KKK?

Great point, I was going to mention the same thing. Having a handle different from my real name has nothing to do with me being "afraid" or anything else. If you want my real name/address/phone number etc. just PM me. I'm sure a lot of other people here would offer the same. Just because I don't feel the need to broadcast my name on every post doesn't mean anything. I don't have my own radio show, who wants to see my name plastered all over the forum?

Are there internet trolls who enjoy spreading lies and damaging reputations while hiding under the cloak of anonimity? Sure, no doubt about it. But for Drew to imply everyone here (or on other boards/blogs) is like that is simply not true.

And for the record, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission was about anonymous political mass mailings. While it is somewhat related to online anonimity, it's hardly related to message board/blog postings. You'd be hard pressed to find either in 1995. Furthermore, Justice Scalia, whom Drew quoted in his blog, offered the dissenting opinion in the case. And to make matters worse, Drew took his quote completely out of context. Justice Scalia was referencing anonymous political mass mailings. The quote used in the blog had nothing to do with the world wide web.

Anyway. This is a nice quote from the majority opinion written by Justice Stevens. (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=514&page=353)


"Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have played an important role in the progress of mankind." Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60, 64 (1960). Great works of literature have frequently been produced by authors writing under assumed names. 4 Despite [ McINTYRE v. OHIO ELECTIONS COMM'N, ___ U.S. ___ (1995) , 7] readers' curiosity and the public's interest in identifying the creator of a work of art, an author generally is free to decide whether or not to disclose her true identity. The decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one's privacy as possible. Whatever the motivation may be, at least in the field of literary endeavor, the interest in having anonymous works enter the marketplace of ideas unquestionably outweighs any public interest in requiring disclosure as a condition of entry. 5 Accordingly, an author's decision to remain anonymous, like other decisions concerning omissions or additions to the content of a publication, is an aspect of the freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment.

[Mista T]

I'm sure you'll get a mention or two tomorrow on the show.

Mox nix, Drew. It won't be the first time, nor the last. In any event, I have no idea how you feel it's ethical to demean me in public, while simultaneously excusing your boss (with whom I have no axe to grind). In any event, don't expect any reaction because I only listen to sports talk radio when stuck in the back seat of someone else's vehicle when driving home after games, and I live way to far south to receive your station's signal.

[Drkraven]

T I've decided this is all about the money and the ratings, DF has all but admitted that. I will not read the blog because I don't want the author to get the hits nor will I listen to yack radio--I have too much going on in my life to deal with this. DF does care who he treads on or feelings he hurts as long as he gets his hits and ratings.
I want to once again thank you for ruining my escape--DRK my initials so it is not anonymous.

[Losac]

You were one of the screen names I mentioned.

I would be happy for the 15 minutes of fame, but does anyone really listen to that station/show?

[TL24x7]

Now, because Tony won't put me on the payroll and give me the compensation I'm due for helping spike his (diminishing) traffic, I won't carry this any further.


Let's prove it Drew...c'mon...let's get your boss to put out his Google Analytics Numbers and we'll do the same...we'll also put out what we charge to advertise on our site if you also do the same for WNST.net.

That way potential sponsors can take the data, massage the numbers, see how their ads are presented on our respective sites and then determine who provides the better value.

I'm sure that's a debate you and your boss would prefer not to entertain. I don't blame you.

But let's be sure to get an unbiased third party involved because I quite frankly don't trust the data you and/or your boss will provide.

You have no idea if our numbers are diminishing. And to say that they are borderlines on slander.

As for you on the payroll, that ship has sailed...

You had your chance...

[effo5231]

I would be happy for the 15 minutes of fame, but does anyone really listen to that station/show?

62 people online right now, 2200 members plus several all the people who only read the site without ever joining means more people probably know you from this site compared to the 35 people plus Drew's mom who listen to his show.

[Mr. Mojo Rizon]

Drew quotes a drunken Adam Duritz (Counting Crows lead singer) to raise the level of credibility to his blog post. What a joke. Duritz sucks as does everything he and his band have done sine August and Everything Thereafter.

They are one hit wonders. Just like Forrester who had his hit as a PR slacky for the Blast. (He claims he was the GM :rolling:)

I know a few Blast players and to a man they think Forrester was all Massengill.

Some things I guess never change.

No wonder he works for Nestor.

[Greg]

Drew,

This is the deal, plain and simple.

You are calling out people on the radio where they can't defend themselves. I can't even receive your station out in Westminster.

On here I can defend myself against your takes, or possibly agree with them, but the playing field is level. Taking what happens here onto your radio station is fine. That is, until you start mentioning names, even if they are screen names, because I am known (as a lot here are) to many people by my screen name or both screen and real names.

Let me see if I can make the point this way. What if we slammed you here by name but disabled your account and gave you no voice and didn't even tell you we were doing it?

You come here and slam the guy who owns the board yet you still get to post and state your case. I don't have that option on your station or in your blog.

If you don't get it then you just don't. Just go ahead and keep ripping people who are not participating in your show and see if your audience grows or dies off.

[b-more_4_Life]

Let's prove it Drew...c'mon...let's get your boss to put out his Google Analytics Numbers and we'll do the same...we'll also put out what we charge to advertise on our site if you also do the same for WNST.net.

That way potential sponsors can take the data, massage the numbers, see how their ads are presented on our respective sites and then determine who provides the better value.

I'm sure that's a debate you and your boss would prefer not to entertain. I don't blame you.

But let's be sure to get an unbiased third party involved because I quite frankly don't trust the data you and/or your boss will provide.

You have no idea if our numbers are diminishing. And to say that they are borderlines on slander.

As for you on the payroll, that ship has sailed...

You had your chance...

Anybody else notice how Drew and WNST are too scared to take this challenge???

[crpravens]

I love how Drew calls me a lier. No he didnt use the word scumbag, instead he stated that we are not in touch with the human race. Wow big difference.

[festivus]

There seems to be a lot of bad feelings on this board toward certain members of the media as well as other members on this site. It clearly runs deeper than this topic....So, can we move on....It is either Bruce C, Drew, Nester, Rob Long, Anita....etc...Whoever...To be honest I listen to all stations and do not care who has what ratings. I used to pay for Scout before I realized I did not get anything for my money. My point, provide good content and stimulate conversation and I will watch/ listen/ blog. So much for world peace!!!???

:word

When RN is saying it's time to holster the weapons, it *must* be time to holster the weapons.

[RustonRifle]

I despise Irsay and [Abe Pollin] but a lowlife desecrates a persons grave. I get a kick out of people/ radio stations that hate/despise Robert Irsay but support the Wizards and or Capitals. One owner moved to a stadium built for him the other chose to move out of Baltimore and built his own arena. WNST are hypocrits in that regard. I wouldn't doubt for a second that the root of Nestors feud with Angelos is about advertising dollars.

[darb72]

I don't listen to Drew's show either, because it sucks.

The fact that I live in North Alabama has absolutely no bearing on the fact I don't listen to his show. Even if I lived in Baltimore, right next door to the station (A requirement for listening if everything I've heard about the captive hamsters is true) I wouldn't listen.

Ok, now I think pretty much everybody on the board has commented on this thread.:thumbup:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

This whole thread is lame.

Look, I obviously love posting and reading here, but I guess I am one of the few who will admit that I also do listen to Drew sometimes on my drive to work.

I don't have a problem with Tony or Drew. It does however get annoying when Tony decides to dedicate blogs or articles bashing WNST. I like to hear about Ravens stuff, not why Nestor is a blow-hard (which I agree...just don't want to read about it on a ravens site). I also don't want to hear/read blogs from Drew berating message boards and basically coming off as arrogant and smug when talking about us posters (not just this one, but others...even ones that I do not frequent). I come here/listen to sports talk radio to read/listen/learn about the Ravens and any other sports teams I follow. Not entertain griping local media members.

Yes I can always "not click on the link/thread" or "change the radio station", but I don't want to have to do that everytime there is bickering. I like both venues of entertainment, and I think it should be obvious that nobody wants to deal with that nonsense.

As for the Irsay pics...personally, I think that is incredibly childish and disrespectful. I know Colts fans had thier hearts broken and there was some suffering...but it is just a damn game. No sports related act could make me so angry/bitter that I would go to the low of pissing on a dead person's grave. IMHO, that is the ultimate act of disrespect.

I think the person who did the act would even admit that what he did was childish, even if he knows he would do it again. Sometimes, doing things that extreme make you feel good...to each his own. I just am not interested in the back and forth...here and on the radio...and Drew for whatever reason decided to bring this up AGAIN on his blog.

[HoustonRaven]

I have my doubts the pics are even real.

Does anyone know the dude?

[UKRavenGordon]

I have my doubts the pics are even real.

Does anyone know the dude?

Ditto.

Hell if the guy is taking a piss then more power to him as he must be hung like a horse from the position where the 'urine' seems to start.

[crazyraven]

any picture of someone pissing on someones grave or reading a newspaper while taking a shit is so wrong on so many levels. I honestly dont find it amusing at all. I realize that some of you will take your anger to your graves but y'all need to find another way to vent.

So I agree with DF for once on a topic but

With that said.....

I think UK and HR are right. I dont think the pics are real at all. Until proven otherwise, its just a really good photoshop'd picture.

IBTL......

[The Fanatic]

Ok, now I think pretty much everybody on the board has commented on this thread.:thumbup:

I haven't, until now.:D

I just have two questions....

1) When did they start to allow us Jews to become members of the KKK?

2) Anybody else think this thread may surpass the "Chris Redman is our Future" thread in hits/pages/posts, etc. from the old RN2 board many years ago?:grbac::girlfight:187734:

[Drkraven]

I haven't, until now.:D

I just have two questions....

1) When did they start to allow us Jews to become members of the KKK?

2) Anybody else think this thread may surpass the "Chris Redman is our Future" thread in hits/pages/posts, etc. from the old RN2 board many years ago?:grbac::girlfight:187734:
I guess you get a special dispensation? They don't like us Catholic females either signed Debi

[TL24x7]

I don't have a problem with Tony or Drew. It does however get annoying when Tony decides to dedicate blogs or articles bashing WNST. I like to hear about Ravens stuff, not why Nestor is a blow-hard (which I agree...just don't want to read about it on a ravens site).

Great point.

Duly noted...

Will begin a series of Q&A's with Eric DeCosta leading through free agency and concluding with a draft wrap up. My guess is the series will include 4-6 Q&A sessions.

Tomorrow we will post the first.

Part II of the Season in Review is also tomorrow and it will feature the best/worst plays of 2009.

[Thrall]

I'm so glad I don't listen to the station, or visit their site.

[crazyraven]

Doesn't this fall under the rule of death smack? If not we are viewing the act of some bozo trying to defecate and urinating on some old fools grave. Are we now saying it OK to post pictures of shit and piss when we feel like it on 24/7?

Real picture or not those pictures are vile and are hateful and were created all because of some move by a local football team. Get over it already. There really is no place for that on this site, Period.

So in short the mods here simply dropped the ball and have looked away because of their attachment to the old Baltimore Colts. This thread should have died when they saw the first post and picture.

[Greg]

I you don't like the way this forum is moderated, fine. There are others if it offends you that badly.

[crazyraven]

I rarely frequent this site and when I do I see this. I see where this place is going and it kind of sucks because it was good at one time.

If this is the way you need to get your point across and if it makes you feel good to see another man piss on someones grave, I guess that fine for YOU, but Not for ME.

[camdenyard]

Like Greg said. Don't like it? Don't read it.

[Greg]

I rarely frequent this site and when I do I see this. I see where this place is going and it kind of sucks because it was good at one time.

If this is the way you need to get your point across and if it makes you feel good to see another man piss on someones grave, I guess that fine for YOU, but Not for ME.

Well, I keep hearing about how we all need to be more tolerant about this, that or the other.

I personally wouldn't do it but I can perfectly understand why somebody else would. You weren't a Baltimore Colts fan so perhaps you don't understand the passion some have and for the loss they felt when the team left.

Robert Irsay created a persona based on his actions and many people developed some pretty deep emotions for that persona and are expressing it in various ways.

BTW, it is photoshopped, you know.

[Dave Lap]

I must say I find it funny that when I said I scream and make it "uncomfortable" for Steelers fans in our stadium I got ripped a new one and those same people praise urinating/ crapping on a grave....Funny....as in funny haha. LOL!!! Lastly, I love you all, peace be with you

I don't praise those who desecrate graves but, on the other hand, I have no sympathy for the late Irsay when people try to piss on his grave. To paraphrase Dickens, " he wears the chains he forged in life. He girded them on of his own free will"...

I mean really....

[The Fanatic]

I rarely frequent this site and when I do I see this. I see where this place is going and it kind of sucks because it was good at one time.

If this is the way you need to get your point across and if it makes you feel good to see another man piss on someones grave, I guess that fine for YOU, but Not for ME.

Ya know, I think many on here can agree that pissing or taking a dump on somebodys grave is not an act to be proud of or celebrated.
Definitely not a respectful act as I think you're trying to express.

Me personally, I got a bigger problem with people that refuse to clean off the roof of their car of heavy snow and ice jeopardizing the safety and lives of innocent people around them.

We're talking about wives, mothers, fathers Children whos only acts of deserving of being killed were being the unfortunate souls to be driving behind somebody that was too disrepectful and careless about other Living people around them.

If some drunk dude decides to take a leak on a complete assholes grave, I highly doubt many lives or going to be shattered forever because of it.

[AirFlacco]

who said the dude was drunk

[festivus]

Ya know, I think many on here can agree that pissing or taking a dump on somebodys grave is not an act to be proud of or celebrated.
Definitely not a respectful act as I think you're trying to express.

Me personally, I got a bigger problem with people that refuse to clean off the roof of their car of heavy snow and ice jeopardizing the safety and lives of innocent people around them.

We're talking about wives, mothers, fathers Children whos only acts of deserving of being killed were being the unfortunate souls to be driving behind somebody that was too disrepectful and careless about other Living people around them.

If some drunk dude decides to take a leak on a complete assholes grave, I highly doubt many lives or going to be shattered forever because of it.

Wow, can this thread get any more dead?

http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album46/Thread_lock.jpg

No disrespect, Mr. Administrator, but please.

[crazyraven]

Ya know, I think many on here can agree that pissing or taking a dump on somebodys grave is not an act to be proud of or celebrated.
Definitely not a respectful act as I think you're trying to express.
Yup, thats all I was saying. No Biggie.


Me personally, I got a bigger problem with people that refuse to clean off the roof of their car of heavy snow and ice jeopardizing the safety and lives of innocent people around them.

Ya know I dont know what this has to do with Irsays grave pissing. But I wil say that I have a busy life and dont have the time or the patience to brush off the snow, especially in this type of snow storm. I'll save some time and let the wind blow it off the top of my car, thank you very much.

[camdenyard]

Ya know I dont know what this has to do with Irsays grave pissing. But I wil say that I have a busy life and dont have the time or the patience to brush off the snow, especially in this type of snow storm. I'll save some time and let the wind blow it off the top of my car, thank you very much.

Something tells me Fanatic already knew this.

[Drkraven]

Something tells me Fanatic already knew this.
A past brush up if I recall correctly.

[Greg]

crazyraven sees nothing wrong with the snow turning to ice on his roof top and then blowing off at 60 MPH onto somebody else's windshield. But photoshopping up a picture of pissing on a stone and some grass is highly objectionable.

[festivus]

Something tells me Fanatic already knew this.

And Crazy knew that Fanatic knew and is obliging us all by the stirring the pot, so here we can go again. An annual thread, perhaps, where we all object to something that Crazy may or may not actually do, but in his role as swizzle stick he asserts he does.

Fine with me, we can make it an annual event.