The most enjoyable part of the Super Bowl

[Mista T]

Onsides Kick?

great -- Geaux Saints!

Game clinching Interception?

Wow!

Peyton Manning sulking as he slinks off the field wearing the Horseshoe helmet and blue jersey stolen from Baltimore?

Priceless! ................ fuckin' A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup::beer:

:greece :T2:

[Drkraven]

Onsides Kick?

great -- Geaux Saints!

Game clinching Interception?

Wow!

Peyton Manning sulking as he slinks off the field wering the Horseshoe helmet and blue jersey stolen from Baltimore?

Priceless! ................ fuckin' A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:T2:
A-freakin MEN!

[RavenScallywag]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the best part for me...

before Katrina, I think the Benson family was asking for a new stadium, didn't want to use the Superdome anymore. New Orleans didn't seem to be moving on that, so they started considering moving the team to L.A.

They backed down, continued to use the Superdome...

Now, that franchise beat the one who demanded a new stadium and when they didn't get it, snuck out in the middle of the night with the name, colors, and history.

[The Fanatic]

There is a God!!!:thumbup:

You play to Win the game, and they did by doing exactly that.

Alot should be learned by watching what just happened.

[purplepoe]

I wonder if anyone has notified Jim Caldwell to let him know that his team lost.

PP

[Beerracuda]

Onsides Kick?

great -- Geaux Saints!

Game clinching Interception?

Wow!

Peyton Manning sulking as he slinks off the field wearing the Horseshoe helmet and blue jersey stolen from Baltimore?

Priceless! ................ fuckin' A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup::beer:

:greece :T2:

:word Ain't the beer cold, T?

[Dade]

There is a God!!!:thumbup:

You play to Win the game, and they did by doing exactly that.

Alot should be learned by watching what just happened.

True. Never angry the football gods. Should've went for perfection.

[RAVENOUS52]

Unitas would never have thrown that Pick-6.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!:rolling:

The fact that they spurned perfection and still lost is PRICELESS...

I hope Harbs has this game on tape and that he carefully studies Payton's style of coaching... That 2-pt challenge was so good I almost sobered up a little watching it!

[RockGod]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the best part for me...

before Katrina, I think the Benson family was asking for a new stadium, didn't want to use the Superdome anymore. New Orleans didn't seem to be moving on that, so they started considering moving the team to L.A.

They backed down, continued to use the Superdome...

Now, that franchise beat the one who demanded a new stadium and when they didn't get it, snuck out in the middle of the night with the name, colors, and history.

This part is semi wrong;

No one knows if the Colts would have left but one thing that is certain and undisputable is that Bob Irsay moved the Colts in the middle of the night to protect his team from being stolen from him by Donald Shaffer and the Maryland government via Emanate Domain. I'm not defending Bob Irsay, I know the guy was jackass and did everything he could to get a new stadium including shopping the team around and threaten to move. I even remember seeing the jackass drunk on TV telling the reporter "I'm Not Moving the God Damn Team." No one ever mentions the emanate domain part but make no mistake about it, it was the nail in the coffin and the only reason for the team to move in the middle of the night. And if you want to take it a step farther, it's also the reason that Baltimore was snubbed time and time again for expansion, and I also believe that Tagliabue’s remarks; "Go Build a Museum" was directed at Shaffer and the Maryland government for that very reason.

Don't believe me? Then why did we get a team the minute Shaffer was no longer in office? So let’s start laying part of the blame where it rightfully belongs. At the feet of William Donald Shaffer and the Maryland Democrat Party…

[HoustonRaven]

This part is semi wrong;

No one knows if the Colts would have left but one thing that is certain and undisputable is that Bob Irsay moved the Colts in the middle of the night to protect his team from being stolen from him by Donald Shaffer and the Maryland government via Emanate Domain

This is grade-A horse crap. The state threatened emanate domain as a last ditch effort AND after Irsay's ill fated BWI drunken speech.

Schaefer asked the General Assembly for renovations to Memorial Stadium on top of offering Irsay a loan for $15 Million in compensation (with no interest, mind you) in 1983, effectively giving Irsay exactly what he wanted. His bluff was called and he broke out of town.

The only "protection" was to Irsay's lies.


Don't believe me? Then why did we get a team the minute Shaffer was no longer in office? So let’s start laying part of the blame where it rightfully belongs. At the feet of William Donald Shaffer and the Maryland Democrat Party…

You are full of shit.

I am conservative and right leaning as they come but hell with you for trying to spin this cities most painful moment into something political.

As if Maryland was run by the GOP the outcome would have been different? Irsay NEVER wanted to be in Baltimore.

How about blaming Frosh for blocking funds for the new stadium all those years? How about just a little bit if facts behind your argument?

[Big Bird]

1. Shaffer was doing what he could to keep the Colts in B'more where they belonged. A new stadium was out of the question at that time. I can't FAULT him for that. Irsay was the prick in that situation pure and simple. He was a self centered money hungry SOB. Period!!

2. What matters today is that the Colts were beaten handily by the Saints and Aint it great??? That was a wonderful ending to a tough season for all of us Ravens fans.

God Bless Donald Saffer and the Baltimore Ravens... And if anyone doesn't like that..... Too BAD!!!

:banana:

[Mista T]

So let’s start laying part of the blame where it rightfully belongs. At the feet of William Donald Shaffer and the Maryland Democrat Party…

Willie Don tends to get a free ride from the media. He was a buffoon in the whole damned mess with the Colts by not understanding stadium economics, along with Mandel (who refused to accept the responsibility for State funding), and the chief villain: Hyman Pressman (who led the campaign to kill the Crabdome at Camden Yards, which would have kept the Colts here for decades).

While all these jerk politicians were Dems, it was Dem Governor Parris Glendenning who facilitated stadium funding against serious opposition. And the politician who tried to kill stadium funding was GOP candidate Ellen Sauerbrey -- I've never voted for a Dem in my life, but she pissed me off so much with her anti-stadium stance that I sat out the election.

[HoustonRaven]

and the chief villain: Hyman Pressman (who led the campaign to kill the Crabdome at Camden Yards, which would have kept the Colts here for decades).

While all these jerk politicians were Dems, it was Dem Governor Parris Glendenning who facilitated stadium funding against serious opposition. And the politician who tried to kill stadium funding was GOP candidate Ellen Sauerbrey -- I've never voted for a Dem in my life, but she pissed me off so much with her anti-stadium stance that I sat out the election.

Totally forgot about Hyman.

And thank you for perspective. This debate always gets me going, especially when it becomes "one side was more at fault than the other".

There was plenty of blame to go around but the most belongs squarely on the shoulders of the drunk, evil bastard.

[Dade]

Mista T and HR thanks for the quick history lesson. Being that I was borned in '83 I have no idea what the hell happened. But you guys seem to know your shit about this topic.

I had heard once that Maryland pased legislature for Baltimore to seize ownership of the team. A result of Irsay talking with other cities about moving the team. The next day Irsay bolted. Any truth to that?

[HoustonRaven]

I had heard once that Maryland pased legislature for Baltimore to seize ownership of the team. A result of Irsay talking with other cities about moving the team. The next day Irsay bolted. Any truth to that?

Yup. T can verify but if not the very next day, it was pretty close.

The writing was on the wall already so I don't know what RockGod is talking about. Irsay had already visited Indy, met with Mayor Hudnut on several occasions and had made up his mind. That's why the legislature made the move. RockGod makes it sound that everything was going to be rainbows puppy whiskers as long as the legislature (only one chamber, not both) never voted to stop the team via eminent domain.

RockGod's claim that this was a political party issue and that we got a team the second Willy Don was "out of office" is head scratching at best.

In 1996, the Governor was Paris Glendenning and last I checked he too was a Democrat.

[Dade]

Yeah HR I have no idea what RockGod is smoking. From what I understand of what happened, once Baltimore stadium was dedicated Memorial Stadium and no other stadium could be built, Irsay went shopping elsewhere.

In my eyes, if anyone is too blame its Hyman Pressman, for passing that piece of junk.

[RavenScallywag]

The Band That Never Died gave a lot of good history and anecdotes about what happened during that time...

Irsay was such a ridiculous owner, he once called up Jim Irsay one night, drunk by Jim's own admission, and told him to get over to Indianapolis with Frank Kush to "see what was going on there". The next day, when Jim called Bob to tell him they were there, Bob had no clue what he was talking about.

He had been in secret negotiations with Phoenix but up and down declared he had not been to Phoenix. Shortly before the state legislature passed that bill, Phoenix came out and admitted they had been in negotiations but had decided to back out.

Yeah, I mean I get the whole thing where the state passed Emminent Domain and as someone said "Put a gun to his head"...but my point is Benson was in a similar situation over getting a new stadium, and he chose not to leave. Now, I won't give him a total free pass, since he was still considering it, but I do find something good in the story that they stuck it out with New Orleans.

[RavenTD]

Most enjoyable.

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00475/SuperHead15_475301gm-a.jpg

But i am just a softy.

[RavenTD]

I wonder if anyone has notified Jim Caldwell to let him know that his team lost.

PP

Well actually, but don't tell him.But he is actually still on the sideline looking like this.
He is just wondering why the Saints have not received a 15yard penalty for throwing confetti on the field.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/814/903/94810794.jpg.13903_feature.jpg?1265317571

[Captain Offense]

For the record, what was one of the first things that Jerk-say did when he acquired the team? Helicopter ride to Jacksonville? There are penty of books out there to cover the dynamics of what happened (Glory for Sale, being one).

Now can be the time to debate the decision to "rest" the players. The only goal for that decision is to win the Big Game. Big Fat Failure. Now the Irsays are just one of 44 losers of a SB, and not one of three to have a perfect regular season. I disagreed then, but figured you have to see if the end-game works. Nice call, Bill. Let us hear your pompous responses now. You attacked a lot of people before, so let us see the crow that you will eat now.

Feels good today !!!!!

[RavenScallywag]

Until he can go 16-0 and win a SB, I don't think Caldwell will ever live that decision down in his career...

Stinks too because if he had gone for 16-0 and lost a guy like Manning, Garcon, Wayne, Clark, Brackett, Freeney, etc...he would've been lambasted for going for 16-0 and hurting their chances at SB

[braven98]

Most enjoyable.

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00475/SuperHead15_475301gm-a.jpg

But i am just a softy.

that was awesome..

[Dave Lap]

[QUOTE=RockGod;197271]This part is semi wrong;

No one knows if the Colts would have left but one thing that is certain and undisputable is that Bob Irsay moved the Colts in the middle of the night to protect his team from being stolen from him by Donald Shaffer and the Maryland government via Emanate Domain. I'm not defending Bob Irsay, I know the guy was jackass and did everything he could to get a new stadium including shopping the team around and threaten to move. I even remember seeing the jackass drunk on TV telling the reporter "I'm Not Moving the God Damn Team." No one ever mentions the emanate domain part but make no mistake about it, it was the nail in the coffin and the only reason for the team to move in the middle of the night. And if you want to take it a step farther, it's also the reason that Baltimore was snubbed time and time again for expansion, and I also believe that Tagliabue’s remarks; "Go Build a Museum" was directed at Shaffer and the Maryland government for that very reason.

Don't believe me? Then why did we get a team the minute Shaffer was no longer in office? So let’s start laying part of the blame where it rightfully belongs. At the feet of William Donald Shaffer and the Maryland Democrat Party…[/QUOTE

Hey, I'm a fan of hizzoner William Donald Schaeffer and he could have negotiated better. In his defense, up to that point teams never left their home cities.

Regardless-the eminent domain thing wasn't what propelled Irsay out. He was gone baby gone.....

[Dave Lap]

Onsides Kick?

great -- Geaux Saints!

Game clinching Interception?

Wow!

Peyton Manning sulking as he slinks off the field wearing the Horseshoe helmet and blue jersey stolen from Baltimore?

Priceless! ................ fuckin' A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup::beer:

:greece :T2:

Yes! The icing on the cake was Manning getting plowed to the ground trying in vain to tackle the DB!! I even replayed it a few times with my DVR.:ww:

Actually, I don't hate Manning. He's OK but I'm still somewhat bitter about our team colors and name going to some city in the midwest that has nothing to do with our football heritage.

[Sua Sponte]

Well actually, but don't tell him.But he is actually still on the sideline looking like this.
He is just wondering why the Saints have not received a 15yard penalty for throwing confetti on the field.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/814/903/94810794.jpg.13903_feature.jpg?1265317571

Just another coach that took over a team that was already in place, he took over Dungy's team that was already a playoff caliber team and had been for years.
Caldwell didn't build shit in INDY and doesn't Deserve shit.

[Rochardrik]

This part is semi wrong;

No one knows if the Colts would have left but one thing that is certain and undisputable is that Bob Irsay moved the Colts in the middle of the night to protect his team from being stolen from him by Donald Shaffer and the Maryland government via Emanate Domain. I'm not defending Bob Irsay, I know the guy was jackass and did everything he could to get a new stadium including shopping the team around and threaten to move. I even remember seeing the jackass drunk on TV telling the reporter "I'm Not Moving the God Damn Team." No one ever mentions the emanate domain part but make no mistake about it, it was the nail in the coffin and the only reason for the team to move in the middle of the night. And if you want to take it a step farther, it's also the reason that Baltimore was snubbed time and time again for expansion, and I also believe that Tagliabue’s remarks; "Go Build a Museum" was directed at Shaffer and the Maryland government for that very reason.

Don't believe me? Then why did we get a team the minute Shaffer was no longer in office? So let’s start laying part of the blame where it rightfully belongs. At the feet of William Donald Shaffer and the Maryland Democrat Party…

If you are going to be SO effing wrong about something, at least learn how to spell what you are talking about. Eminent. there ya go, Now go ahead and be wrong all ya want!!!

[RavenScallywag]

While we're at it, Tags' "Go Build a Museum" remark was essentially him talking about Baltimore not getting the NFL expansion franchise that went to Jacksonville. He said that about what Baltimore should do with the money we raised to show the NFL we were serious about supporting a football team.

How you can spin that to say he was saying it because we passed a law saying we could seize the team by eminent domain? It'd be more appropriate if we'd re-appropriated funds set aside for the team to build a museum, which is what caused them to leave.

[RockGod]

This is grade-A horse crap. The state threatened emanate domain as a last ditch effort AND after Irsay's ill fated BWI drunken speech.

Schaefer asked the General Assembly for renovations to Memorial Stadium on top of offering Irsay a loan for $15 Million in compensation (with no interest, mind you) in 1983, effectively giving Irsay exactly what he wanted. His bluff was called and he broke out of town.

The only "protection" was to Irsay's lies.



You are full of shit.

I am conservative and right leaning as they come but hell with you for trying to spin this cities most painful moment into something political.

As if Maryland was run by the GOP the outcome would have been different? Irsay NEVER wanted to be in Baltimore.

How about blaming Frosh for blocking funds for the new stadium all those years? How about just a little bit if facts behind your argument?

Then tell me what reason did he have to move in the middle of the night? In a blizzard no less. Art Modell announced the move of the Browns half way through the season and he didn't need to move in the middle of the night. Irsay moved his team the way he did to protect it from being stolen from him, end of story. Would he have moved it anyway? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know. But emanate domain was the nail in the coffin.

Tell me why time after time we got shafted in the expansion process when we clearly had the best deal to offer for a new team? Then no sooner did Spendening get elected and all of a sudden we get a team. With the exact deal that was offered just two years prior but with Shaffer in office.

Look I don't give rat’s ass about the Colts, I didn't then and I don't now. I'm not defending Irsay because I couldn't careless about him either. But I'm sick and tired of hearing every time the Colts are brought up; Boo Hoo Hoo; they snuck out of town in the dark of night. Boo Hoo Hoo Baltimore had to go 13 years without a team. There's a freakin reason why and it's not because of Jack Kent Cooke. It's because a business man and a politician played a game of cat and mouse and the politician lost, just like in Cleveland. Only in this case the politician threatens to take said businessman’s business and the businessman said kiss my drunken ass you bastard.

I couldn't resist adding the democrat part :)

[RockGod]

While we're at it, Tags' "Go Build a Museum" remark was essentially him talking about Baltimore not getting the NFL expansion franchise that went to Jacksonville. He said that about what Baltimore should do with the money we raised to show the NFL we were serious about supporting a football team.

How you can spin that to say he was saying it because we passed a law saying we could seize the team by eminent domain? It'd be more appropriate if we'd re-appropriated funds set aside for the team to build a museum, which is what caused them to leave.

That about says it all right there. You tell me why that happened.

[RockGod]

If you are going to be SO effing wrong about something, at least learn how to spell what you are talking about. Eminent. there ya go, Now go ahead and be wrong all ya want!!!

Your brilliant.. :girlfight

[HoustonRaven]

Your brilliant.. :girlfight

Umm. Wow.

And in this one, concise statement, you lose he debate completely.

[HoustonRaven]

Then tell me what reason did he have to move in the middle of the night? In a blizzard no less. Art Modell announced the move of the Browns half way through the season and he didn't need to move in the middle of the night

One was a douchebag, trying to hide from the numerous lies he told. One was not. I will let you figure out which was which.


Irsay moved his team the way he did to protect it from being stolen from him, end of story. Would he have moved it anyway? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know

You act as if this is all some gray area in history. He was NEVER going to stay. Irsay was already negotiating the move with not one, not two, but THREE other cities.


But emanate domain was the nail in the coffin.

Now you're moving the goal posts. The eminent domain issue hastened something that was already in the works. To use your own analogy, it was indeed the final nail -- of about 25 other nails -- in the coffin.


Tell me why time after time we got shafted in the expansion process when we clearly had the best deal to offer for a new team? Then no sooner did Spendening get elected and all of a sudden we get a team. With the exact deal that was offered just two years prior but with Shaffer in office

You're trying to compare the league screwing us over via expansion and getting a team via a move?? One has nothing to do with the other, yet you speak of "same deals"??


Look I don't give rat’s ass about the Colts, I didn't then and I don't now. I'm not defending Irsay because I couldn't careless about him either

And here is where I stop. Just shameful.

[RavenScallywag]

That about says it all right there. You tell me why that happened.

Who knows why it happened. You could blame it on the Redskins having a market here and be just about as "right" as claiming that the NFL didn't like Schaefer and the Democrats. No one is ever going to prove why Baltimore was passed over for Jacksonville because it was clearly a bad decision and the NFL probably wants to just not talk about it. We're one of about ten teams that has constantly sold out every home game, whereas Jacksonville struggled ridiculously to sell out any of it's home games.

Your argument is elementary school logic. I could very well say the reason we lost the Colts was because Pete Rozelle was commissioner. And you can't prove me wrong because the Colts didn't leave when someone else was commissioner! That's about the same argument you are using to say that Donnie Schaefer was the reason we lost our football team and never got one back.

[trailhiker85]

Folks, I've hated what Irsay did since 1983 ...but for the moment that whole episode has faded into a distant fuzzy haze. Couldn't care less about those old political machinations right now.

I'm just pleased that Indy lost. That pick 6 tossed by Manning was a thing of beauty. (Cue Nelson Muntz -- HA-ha!)

[Dave Lap]

One was a douchebag, trying to hide from the numerous lies he told. One was not. I will let you figure out which was which.



You act as if this is all some gray area in history. He was NEVER going to stay. Irsay was already negotiating the move with not one, not two, but THREE other cities.



Now you're moving the goal posts. The eminent domain issue hastened something that was already in the works. To use your own analogy, it was indeed the final nail -- of about 25 other nails -- in the coffin.



You're trying to compare the league screwing us over via expansion and getting a team via a move?? One has nothing to do with the other, yet you speak of "same deals"??



And here is where I stop. Just shameful.

Well said indeed!

[RockGod]

One was a douchebag, trying to hide from the numerous lies he told. One was not. I will let you figure out which was which.

That doesn't answer the question "what reason would he have to move the team in the middle of the night in a snow storm?" Are you saying he was embarrassed by the way he acted so he snuck out while everyone was sleeping? Get real man, use some commonsense. What possible reason would he have to move in the middle of the night? He wanted to beat the traffic? He was afraid people would stand in front of the trucks? He left in the middle of the night to keep his team from being stolen from him, period! He could have moved the team any time he wanted to day or night and no one could have stopped him except Shaffer by stealing his team via emanate domain.




You act as if this is all some gray area in history. He was NEVER going to stay. Irsay was already negotiating the move with not one, not two, but THREE other cities.

What difference does it make if it was ten teams, If emanate domain wasn't threaten then maybe something else could have been done. The deal we had on the table and the one Art Modell eventually got was not what was offered to Irsay. Maybe he was going to move the team regardless, it doesn't change that he left in the middle of the night to protect his business from being stolen from him.




Now you're moving the goal posts. The eminent domain issue hastened something that was already in the works. To use your own analogy, it was indeed the final nail -- of about 25 other nails -- in the coffin.

That's all I'm saying, it's was the final act that now has the Colts in Indy.




You're trying to compare the league screwing us over via expansion and getting a team via a move?? One has nothing to do with the other, yet you speak of "same deals"??

That deal is why you now have the Baltimore Ravens, They could very well be the L.A. Browns. L.A. has the largest or second largest audience without a NFL team which = $$$ for some owner. What they don't have is a publicly funded stadium, PSL, Club Boxes etc. etc. Why would Art move his team that would compete with the Redskins when he could have the L.A. market all to himself?




And here is where I stop. Just shameful.

It's shameful that I'm not a Colts fan? I got news for you, I wasn't even a sports fan until 1992. If it wasn't for Joe Montana and the 49ers I wouldn't be a football fan. BTW that's the only sport I follow and it's even limited to the NFL, I don't follow college. If you notice my user name doesn't even reflect sports, my first love is and always has been music.

[RockGod]

Umm. Wow.

And in this one, concise statement, you lose he debate completely.

What debate? The one where anyone that dares to think for themselves and doesn't accept what's been spoon feed to them for the last 26 years is considered "effen wrong?"

This is what that is :girlfight

[Rolfejr]

Check this article out from the Indy point of view.

Very interesting!!



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[AirFlacco]

the most enjoyable part was the final score and manning sulking off the field without congratulating brees. he has no class whatsoever.