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mojorob

01-29-2010, 11:21 AM

As a season ticket holder from day one,I was hoping I could get a question answered. Do the other NFL teams require that exhibition games be included in their package?

braven98

01-29-2010, 11:28 AM

I think so..Why we are on the subject Im willing to sell my whole season as a package if anyone is interrested

FredGrau

01-29-2010, 11:44 AM

I'm 90% sure this is an NFL mandate.

I don't know of any teams that don't require season ticket holders to purchase pre-season games.

Greg

01-29-2010, 11:44 AM

Most teams do. A team like the Jags that has difficulty selling out may not, or may discount them quite a bit.

Mista T

01-29-2010, 03:04 PM

I think so..Why we are on the subject Im willing to sell my whole season as a package if anyone is interrested

Had enough?

Brtnder81

01-29-2010, 03:22 PM

I'm 90% sure this is an NFL mandate.

I don't know of any teams that don't require season ticket holders to purchase pre-season games.

i really don't think it is an NFL mandate kinda like PSL's are not mandated. I think the teams mandate it because that is where they make alot of there money from because im not sure if its tickets and consessions but I know consessions for preseason games the money just goes to the team where as in the regular season and playoffs it counts towards what has to be split up between teams and the league.

braven98

01-29-2010, 03:29 PM

Had enough?

not really just been busy...and some personnal issues to deal with

Drkraven

01-29-2010, 06:11 PM

Redskins never used but just started within the last 5 or 6 years and I don't think the Packers do.

RavensDomination

01-29-2010, 06:59 PM

Semi-OT, but I'd be worried if I was a season ticket holder. More than likely things are going to change drastically over the next few years in the NFL.

Mista T

01-29-2010, 08:14 PM

RavensDomination

01-30-2010, 06:40 PM

Why should season ticket holders worry any more than the general public?

If there's a lock-out in 2011, we'll get partial refunds, and join fans without tickets by going to church, the movies or whatever -- life goes on while millionaires piss on one another, until the lock-out ends..

If the salary cap disappears and we see unchecked free agency, I'll do what I did with the Orioles after the Reggie Jackson fiasco and give up my season tickets. I sure am not going to worry about it . Moreover, I believe the NFL is run by businessmen who are sharp enough to know how to protect their investments - while we may see a lock-out, we won't see the end of the salary cap.

If there is a lock out your PSL will be worth nothing. I know a lot of people bought PSL's early in the game, but it's still hundreds lost. If you bought PSL's in the last few years it's thousands lost. If the salary cap disintegrates so will fan support. It wasn't all that long ago Baltimore was failing to sell out football games. A bunch of cities are already struggling or failing to sell out games. The Bengals were struggling to sell out this year and they were in first place, imagine if they stink and their cheap owner is operating with no salary cap in place? They will be lucky to sell 30k seats a game. It will be MLB v2.

There used to be profitability in owning season tickets because you could always sell them for well over face value. Not anymore. Ravens tickets this year, especially with a bad economy plus home stinkers (in bad weather) like the Lions, Bears, and (as always) Browns, left many fans with tickets they couldn't give away. I saw a ton of Steeler tickets going for face value, something unheard of just two or three seasons ago. I saw club level owners struggling to recoup half of what they paid for certain games. Look online for PSL's there are deals left and right, people are already abandoning ship.

Time to worry...the NFL is getting too big and it's at the brink of collapse.

oh and btw, those same businessmen you have so much faith in chose JACKSONVILLE over Baltimore for an expansion team. Not to mention there are a few owners who actually WANT to get rid of the salary cap.

camdenyard

01-30-2010, 06:48 PM

plus home stinkers (in bad weather) like the Lions, Bears, and (as always) Browns

Um, these "stinkers" are a direct result of having a good team. Would you rather these all be competitive games?

Time to worry...the NFL is getting too big and it's at the brink of collapse.

Oh, geez. Exaggerate much?

Not to mention there are a few owners who actually WANT to get rid of the salary cap.

You could probably count them on one hand and have fingers left.

RavensDomination

01-30-2010, 06:53 PM

Um, these "stinkers" are a direct result of having a good team. Would you rather these all be competitive games?

You missed the point. The point is they weren't competitive games that people were clamoring to see, thus negatively effecting the street value of tickets.

Oh, geez. Exaggerate much?

Funny I heard the same thing before the real estate market crashed.

You could probably count them on one hand and have fingers left.

That you know of. Keep in mind the salary cap actually hurts a lot of the cheap owners like Mike Brown of the Bengals since they essentially have to spend up to that amount (or damn close to it). Without a cap Mike Brown could spend the bare minimum and still make money, just like so many MLB owners do. The NFL is bringing in so much money in TV contracts and these cheapo owners know this, money can still be made without putting butts in seats.

Galen Sevinne

01-30-2010, 07:15 PM

Semi-OT, but I'd be worried if I was a season ticket holder. More than likely things are going to change drastically over the next few years in the NFL.

I don't see my PSLs or season tickets as an investment. I really can't imagine ever selling them nor did I ever buy them with the intention of making money. If money became that tight, I would probably sell drugs first :laugh:

I also believe as "T" said that the NFL is too smart to lose the Cap. Just comparing the NFL with MLB makes the benefits of the Cap just too obvious. I would be absolutely dumbfounded if a dramtic change occurred around that issue.

purplepoe

01-30-2010, 07:28 PM

I don't see my PSLs or season tickets as an investment. I really can't imagine ever selling them nor did I ever buy them with the intention of making money. If money became that tight, I would probably sell drugs first :laugh:

I also believe as "T" said that the NFL is too smart to lose the Cap. Just comparing the NFL with MLB makes the benefits of the Cap just too obvious. I would be absolutely dumbfounded if a dramtic change occurred around that issue.

Unless we see some dramatic movement, there's a very good possibility that we won't be seeing a cap this season.

And of course all of the other poison pill rules will go into effect.

PP

Galen Sevinne

01-30-2010, 07:52 PM

Unless we see some dramatic movement, there's a very good possibility that we won't be seeing a cap this season.

And of course all of the other poison pill rules will go into effect.

PP

Well yes for the year, I agree but I can't imagine the league would go forward indefinitely w/o a cap. I hope not at least.

purplepoe

01-30-2010, 07:57 PM

Well yes for the year, I agree but I can't imagine the league would go forward indefinitely w/o a cap. I hope not at least.

Me too.

But it could be a real cluster F if they go uncapped in 2010 and then go back to a cap in 2011.

PP

Mista T

01-30-2010, 08:27 PM

But it could be a real cluster F if they go uncapped in 2010 and then go back to a cap in 2011.

I don't think so. With the restrictions in place for the uncapped season, I doubt that there will be any team that creates a runaway 2010 payroll in comparison to the others. Reinstating the cap should not be daunting, but reaching agreement on a new CBA without a 2011 lock-out may be problematic.

purplepoe

01-30-2010, 08:30 PM

I don't think so. With the restrictions in place for the uncapped season, I doubt that there will be any team that creates a runaway 2010 payroll in comparison to the others. Reinstating the cap should not be daunting, but reaching agreement on a new CBA without a 2011 lock-out may be problematic.

What teams can do is keep players that have big numbers and might otherwise be cut.

Guys like McGahee and Pryce come to mind for the Ravens.

I dunno, the whole thing just seems like a mess.

PP

Mista T

01-30-2010, 08:47 PM

Guys like McGahee and Pryce come to mind for the Ravens.

You do bring up a good point: McGahee in particular gets an extra year as a Raven because we don't need the cap space. If a tightened cap is re-established, in 2011 -- McGahee, Pryce, Heap, perhaps even Reed & Ray Lewis, might fall victim.

RavensDomination

01-30-2010, 10:34 PM

Me too.

But it could be a real cluster F if they go uncapped in 2010 and then go back to a cap in 2011.

PP

Exactly - a cluster F is right. I doubt the players will play without a cap then just miraculously agree to play with the cap the following season. With the economy a lot of owners have taken hits (outside of the NFL), plus the explosion of rookie contracts, plus what they claim is rising operating costs, and finally many think the cap is too high as it is. Not only will many owners want to reduce the cap but they will want to install a rookie salary cap as well. Plus, like I mentioned before, some owners don't even want a cap. It's the perfect storm brewing for a lock out/strike which would (obviously) hurt the league.

Mawae said the players are already prepping for a work stoppage in 2011 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8160787c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true). Could it be a mere threat? Possibly. But with an uncapped year almost a guarantee at this point, they are already headed towards that direction.

Drkraven

01-30-2010, 11:37 PM

I don't see my PSLs or season tickets as an investment. I really can't imagine ever selling them nor did I ever buy them with the intention of making money. If money became that tight, I would probably sell drugs first :laugh:

I also believe as "T" said that the NFL is too smart to lose the Cap. Just comparing the NFL with MLB makes the benefits of the Cap just too obvious. I would be absolutely dumbfounded if a dramtic change occurred around that issue.
Seriously! I got my 1500 bucks that I spent in 1998 for 3 psl's worth:crazy: I think I would sell the husband first!

The Fanatic

01-31-2010, 12:27 PM

I doubt that there will be any team that creates a runaway 2010 payroll in comparison to the others.

I'm a thinkin' there's a moron about 40 miles to the south of us that is salivating at the possibility of spending what ever the hell he wants to try and buy a Superbowl.

Possibly another one in the state of Texas as well.

I may be wrong, but the idiot in DC has tried to do it with a cap.
Can't imagine him changeing his ways for the good of the league with an opportunity to do it with no ramifications by spending.

RavensDomination

01-31-2010, 05:18 PM

Mista T

01-31-2010, 09:09 PM

I'm a thinkin' there's a moron about 40 miles to the south of us that is salivating at the possibility of spending what ever the hell he wants to try and buy a Superbowl.

Possibly another one in the state of Texas as well.

I may be wrong, but the idiot in DC has tried to do it with a cap.
Can't imagine him changing his ways for the good of the league with an opportunity to do it with no ramifications by spending.

I think that Little Danny Beltbuckles is a (somewhat) reformed man. He has had to deal with a fan revolt over his stewardship of a once-proud franchise: Vinny Cerrato, the repeated overpriced free agent bust contracts (now including Haynesworth), the ill will over suing grandmothers and banning signs in the tailgate lots. The Redskins played to 10's of thousands of empty seats in the NFL's largest stadium, and many of the filled seats were opponents fans. Aftermarket ticket prices were dirt cheap due to the lack of interest. After Danny fired his old fishing buddy and replaced him with no nonsense Bruce Allen as GM and Shanahan as coach, I believe that that organization will look more to the draft and less to the FA splashes.

Jerry Jones is caught in the same trap as we are: final 8 restrictions on free agents.

I would be surprised that either team would become free spenders in 2010. Actually, I believe that NFL owners have a gentleman's agreement to avoid the big FA contracts in order to lower FA spending the in uncapped year. These guys wouldn't be leaking their plans to lower salaries by 20% and talking about a lock-out if they don't have the balls to pull one off

RavensDomination

01-31-2010, 10:14 PM

Actually, I believe that NFL owners have a gentleman's agreement to avoid the big FA contracts in order to lower FA spending the in uncapped year. These guys wouldn't be leaking their plans to lower salaries by 20% and talking about a lock-out if they don't have the balls to pull one off

:rolleyes: That type of collusion would certainly be detected by the NFLPA and almost certainly lead to a work stoppage.

Mista T

01-31-2010, 10:19 PM

:rolleyes: That type of collusion would certainly be detected by the NFLPA and almost certainly lead to a work stoppage.

Maybe -- but these players are making fortunes over very brief careers and really don't want to stop the flow of $$$$. The NFLPA is significantly different from the IBEW, UAW, or Teamsters. Moreover, if the US Govt is contemplating to intervention over something as trite as how the NCAA chooses its college football 1-A champion, could you imagine what they would do if there were an NFL work stoppage?

SHORTTRACK

02-01-2010, 03:09 PM

Greg

02-01-2010, 04:25 PM

If there is a lock out your PSL will be worth nothing. I know a lot of people bought PSL's early in the game, but it's still hundreds lost. If you bought PSL's in the last few years it's thousands lost. If the salary cap disintegrates so will fan support. It wasn't all that long ago Baltimore was failing to sell out football games. A bunch of cities are already struggling or failing to sell out games. The Bengals were struggling to sell out this year and they were in first place, imagine if they stink and their cheap owner is operating with no salary cap in place? They will be lucky to sell 30k seats a game. It will be MLB v2.
What? The PSLs will not go away, if for one year we have a work stoppage the PSL value would return the next season. Perhaps even stronger than ever with a year without the NFL.

There used to be profitability in owning season tickets because you could always sell them for well over face value. Not anymore. Ravens tickets this year, especially with a bad economy plus home stinkers (in bad weather) like the Lions, Bears, and (as always) Browns, left many fans with tickets they couldn't give away. I saw a ton of Steeler tickets going for face value, something unheard of just two or three seasons ago. I saw club level owners struggling to recoup half of what they paid for certain games. Look online for PSL's there are deals left and right, people are already abandoning ship.
The "stinkers" have always existed, so this point is completely immaterial. The poor weather for the Bears and Lions had more to do with those problems. Browns tickets aren't highly valued but they aren't hard to find takers for. The Lions and Bears would have also been easy sells if the weather wasn't putrid.

Time to worry...the NFL is getting too big and it's at the brink of collapse.
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oh and btw, those same businessmen you have so much faith in chose JACKSONVILLE over Baltimore for an expansion team. Not to mention there are a few owners who actually WANT to get rid of the salary cap.
Actually that was Tags decision and he is long gone. Also, no businessman hits a HR every time.

Brtnder81

02-03-2010, 02:37 AM

You do bring up a good point: McGahee in particular gets an extra year as a Raven because we don't need the cap space. If a tightened cap is re-established, in 2011 -- McGahee, Pryce, Heap, perhaps even Reed & Ray Lewis, might fall victim.

i wouldnt say that a player like Mcgahee with his contract is gauranteed to be back in a capless year bc its a prime opportunity for the Ravens to get a huge contract off the books without ever having to take that cap hit. it doesnt much matter with Pryce bc it will be the last year of his contract so they might as well just keep him for depth

braven98

02-03-2010, 09:15 AM

i wouldnt say that a player like Mcgahee with his contract is gauranteed to be back in a capless year bc its a prime opportunity for the Ravens to get a huge contract off the books without ever having to take that cap hit. it doesnt much matter with Pryce bc it will be the last year of his contract so they might as well just keep him for depth

the owners will stick together...the last cba most of them didnt even read it