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baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 02:28 PM
Has some good nuggets of info:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=203&articleid=34654&pg=1


I am noticing that this draft seems like it has a ton of guys at WR, CB, and DL that project as very good players to be had in the first two rounds. With these obviously being the biggest areas of need, hopefully we will find some good matches and get some value as well.

North Team


Wide Recevers/Tight Ends – I think that most of the receivers here this week have helped themselves. Ohio's Taylor Price has had the best week, showing explosion in and out of his breaks, and has shown that he's capable of making acrobatic catches. He does a terrific job of catching the ball away from his body. Price could go as high as the second or third round after this week. Clemson's Jacoby Ford has shown his quickness and speed and has also done a good job as a punt returner this week. Missouri's Danario Alexander is a very large target, and it's even more apparent when you see him in person. He has the frame and talent to develop into a fine No. 2 wideout in the NFL. Cincinnati's Mardy Gilyard has had an inconsistent week. He's dropped too many passes, but he's also displayed his terrific athleticism as a receiver down the field. I still see Gilyard as a third round pick in this year's loaded draft. At tight end, Ed Dickson of Oregon has elevated himself to being the top senior tight end and has passed USC's Anthony McCoy. Dickson has terrific athleticism and is an underrated blocker in the run game. He could go as high as the third round as well.


Defensive Line – Michigan's Brandon Graham stood out over any of the other defensive linemen. He was explosive off the ball and showed great strength at the point of attack. He's a complete defensive end whose best fit in the NFL will come as a 4-3 end or as a 3-4 outside rush linebacker. Graham is a second-round prospect who could creep into the late-first with a great Combine workout. Alex Carrington of Arkansas State has had a great week of practice and has really elevated his draft stock. I mentioned on Tuesday on my site that Carrington reminds me a little of Jason Jones of Eastern Michigan from a couple of years ago. Both players are small-school types, same size at 6-5, 280 lbs as well. Jones plays end and tackle in the Tennessee Titan's 4-3 alignment, and I could see Carrington having the same type of success there as well. At defensive tackle, North Carolina's Cam Thomas had the best week of any player at his position. His strength on the interior of the line was outstanding and he showed that he's capable of penetrating the pocket against elite competition with ease. Thomas' stock is on fire and he could be a fast riser as we approach late-April. Wisconsin's O'Brien Schofield is clearly the one player that hurt his draft stock the most. He tore his ACL on Monday on a pass rush play against Vladimir Ducasse. For a player whose greatest strength is his explosion off the edge, Schofield's reconstructed knee is going to be a major concern for teams in the NFL. What he can hope for is that a team will draft him and stash him on injured reserve and let him develop and rehab for a year, kind of like a redshirt year in college football.


econdary – No player helped themselves more this week than Boise State cornerback Kyle Wilson. The stud defensive back exhibited shutdown-type of ability, mirroring opposing wide receivers in and out of their breaks as well as down the field. Wilson is at his best in press coverage, however he's also shown that he can play off and zone coverage as well. Wilson has established himself as the top senior cornerback in this year's draft and has a realistic chance of going at the end of the first round. Two other players who really helped themselves were Virginia's Chris Cook and Cal's Syd'Quan Thompson. Cook has a tall frame at 6-2 and he's a smooth athlete who is capable of playing man-to-man coverage at the line. He was a bit of an unknown coming into the week but he's really helped himself out. Thompson is a shorter corner who gets by with his physical play; he's an active player in defending the run and is very instinctive in reading the quarterback's eyes and making a play on the ball. At safety, Notre Dame's Kyle McCarthy did the best job in coverage. He's a smart, instinctive player who is always around the football. He does a good job of reading that quarterback and trying to make plays on the ball. Of all of the defensive backs, I thought that Ohio State's Kurt Coleman struggled the most. He has stiff hips and didn't offer much of a challenge in coverage. He's more of a strong safety in the NFL than he is a free safety.


South Team


Wide Receivers/Tight Ends – Among the receiver group on the South Team, The Citadel's Andre Roberts has been the most impressive. His explosion and quick-twitch play has been evident as he's raced by defensive backs all week. Roberts is a great fit as a slot receiver in the NFL and he also has the ability to return punts as well. Roberts should go in the middle of the draft in April. Tulane's Jeremy Williams has the chance to be the next productive player from the Green Wave to enter the NFL, following in the footsteps of Chicago Bears running back Matt Forte. Williams is a quicker, more agile receiver who catches everything that is thrown in his direction. He projects as a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver for his team. Joe Webb, a quarterback from UAB, has had a slow transition to the receiver position, however he's shown the talent and potential that scouts are looking for. I mentioned yesterday on Draft Headquarters that Webb could potentially develop into being the next Antwaan Randle El or Joshua Cribbs, a quarterback in college who changed positions and became a successful wide receiver/returner in the NFL. Between the two SEC receivers here, Florida's Riley Cooper has stood out more than Ole Miss' Shay Hodge. Cooper who was Tim Tebow's go-to option on the outside, projects as a possession receiver in the NFL. Hodge is a smooth athlete who runs crisp routes and has the potential to develop into a nice No. 3 or No. 4 wideout in the NFL. Hodge isn't quite on the same level as former Rebel receiver and current Pittsburgh Steeler Mike Wallce, but he isn't too far behind. At tight end, Miami (FL)'s Jimmy Graham has been one of the most impressive players in attendance and has clearly out-played USC's Anthony McCoy. Graham has the speed and agility needed to stretch the field vertically, and with his massive frame, he gives the quarterback a large target to throw to down the middle of the field.


Defensive Line – The two players who impressed me the most on the defensive line for the South squad were both teammates in college: Georgia's Geno Atkins and Jeff Owens. Atkins was an absolute stud this week and is by far one of the top pass rushing defensive tackles in this year's draft. His explosive burst off the ball along with extremely quick hands makes him a terror for an opposing offensive lineman to deal with. Atkins elevated his draft stock from the middle of the draft to as high as the late-second round. Owens is a far bigger player than Atkins is a better run-plugger than Atkins is; however, he also showed nice agility for such a big player and brought visions of a little Warren Sapp to my mind. Tennessee's Dan Williams also had a very good week on the interior of the line. He exhibited elite strength and showed that he's capable of being a fire hydrant in the one-technique. Williams should be a second round pick in April. Out at end, George Selvie of South Florida had a productive week; he had a great play today in which he bull-rushed the opposing offensive lineman and knocked him right onto his back. Selvie was tried out at linebacker, which looked like a work in progress, but he displayed the pass rushing ability that scouts were hoping to see from him this week. I was impressed by the amount of strength that he has.

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baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 02:28 PM
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Secondary – Oklahoma State's Perrish Cox is the top cornerback and could be the team's top defensive back. He has versatility in the coverages that he can play and he has the speed and smooth hips needed to turn and run with the receiver. Cox breaks on the ball well and has the talent and tools needed to start in the NFL. I could see Cox having an immediate impact next season. USC's Taylor Mays has been heavily scrutinized for not having tight hips, however I think that is a bit overblown. Mays obviously isn't as smooth of an athlete as others, but I'd be very surprised if he was moved to linebacker in the NFL unless he ends up being a complete bust at the safety position first. Mays projects best as a strong safety in the NFL, where he doesn't have to worry as much about coverage, but rather making big plays in the running game, which is something that he is good at. Finding the right fit for Mays and putting him in the best position to succeed, and not forcing him into a system that won't fit his style of play, will be the best way to ensure that he has a successful career in the NFL. I mentioned on Twitter on Wednesday that Florida State's Myron Rolle is a more polished player than his former teammate Patrick Robinson, even after taking off one year from football to study at Oxford. Rolle's stock is hot and it's not going to go down anytime soon; he was one of the top safeties in college football when he was playing and certainly has the talent needed to be a playmaker in the NFL. What Alabama cornerback Javier Arenas lacks in size, he certainly makes up for in drive and intensity, as he plays the game with an edge. Arenas is a very physical corner out on the edge and surely isn't going to shy away from going up against a bigger and stronger receiver. While he likely will be more of a nickel or dime back in the NFL, it wouldn't shock me at all to see him develop into a starter because of his drive. He definitely has that "it" factor that scouts look for.


LeGarrette Blount is an absolute beast that could be a steal in the third round as well. He was projected as a second rounder, but the infamous punch has pushed him back. He could be a great value pick anywhere after the second round.

Mista T
01-28-2010, 02:35 PM
Here's another WR report from Will Spencer:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/01/Ravens_Eye_Wideouts_at_Senior_Bowl.aspx

baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 02:48 PM
Here's another WR report from Will Spencer:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/01/Ravens_Eye_Wideouts_at_Senior_Bowl.aspx

Underclassmen at WR seem like a more exciting group than the guys covered in that piece. We won't get to see them until the Combine though.

Carey
01-28-2010, 02:59 PM
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LeGarrette Blount is an absolute beast that could be a steal in the third round as well. He was projected as a second rounder, but the infamous punch has pushed him back. He could be a great value pick anywhere after the second round.

Blount is a beast, i think he helped himself by staying in class and enventually getting reinstated. He'll be a nice choice for anybody, i'd like to have him but no sooner then we grab a wr or 2, a de and and a te, maybe if we get a pick for mcgahee we'll have some flexibility

baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 03:03 PM
What about compensatory picks?

We lost:

Bart Scott
Jason Brown
Marques Douglas
Jim Leonhard

We got:

Foxworth
Carr



I would say that Carr and Leonhard probably cancel out. The contracts Scott and Brown got were bigger than what we gave Foxy, so we may have some coming our way anyway. Scott and Brown could each be as high as third-rounders, with one of those probably going away with the signing of Foxworth.

Raveninwoodlawn
01-28-2010, 03:05 PM
I have seen reports that while Price has flashed his physical skillset, he has dropped tons of passes...ala DHB last year.

Raveninwoodlawn
01-28-2010, 03:08 PM
What about compensatory picks?

We lost:

Bart Scott
Jason Brown
Marques Douglas
Jim Leonhard

We got:

Foxworth
Carr



I would say that Carr and Leonhard probably cancel out. The contracts Scott and Brown got were bigger than what we gave Foxy, so we may have some coming our way anyway. Scott and Brown could each be as high as third-rounders, with one of those probably going away with the signing of Foxworth.

I think Fox probably almost cancels out Brown...maybe we get a 6th or 7th for Brown.

I think Scott nets us a 4th...maybe close to a 3rd, but 4th is much more likely.

baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 03:12 PM
I think Fox probably almost cancels out Brown...maybe we get a 6th or 7th for Brown.

I think Scott nets us a 4th...maybe close to a 3rd, but 4th is much more likely.

Either way, we have to be getting picks. And from what I saw of the ability of 5th-7th rounders to make our squad anymore, I wonder if any rebuilding teams would look to package an earlier pick for several late-round picks. If we can throw our 5th, 6th, and 7th picks for a 4th, we will be much better off (you can't trade compensatory picks or I would be all over giving the late-rounders from that too).

TTRaven
01-28-2010, 03:28 PM
What about compensatory picks?

We lost:

Bart Scott
Jason Brown
Marques Douglas
Jim Leonhard

We got:

Foxworth
Carr



I would say that Carr and Leonhard probably cancel out. The contracts Scott and Brown got were bigger than what we gave Foxy, so we may have some coming our way anyway. Scott and Brown could each be as high as third-rounders, with one of those probably going away with the signing of Foxworth.

Bart Scott for Foxworth
Jason Brown for Matt Birk
Jim Leonhard for Chris Carr
Kyle Boller for LJ Smith

The Ravens signed 4 players who will qualify and lost 4 players who will qualify. The value(contract) of the 4 players we lost is greater than the 4 players we signed. This will probably get us a net value comp pick which is given at the end of round 7.

baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 03:32 PM
Bart Scott for Foxworth
Jason Brown for Matt Birk
Jim Leonhard for Chris Carr
Kyle Boller for LJ Smith

The Ravens signed 4 players who will qualify and lost 4 players who will qualify. The value(contract) of the 4 players we lost is greater than the 4 players we signed. This will probably get us a net value comp pick which is given and the end of round 7.

Forgot all about Birk.

Dont Know
01-28-2010, 03:36 PM
Kyle Boller for LJ Smith


So not only did he cost 750 000$ / catch, he also cost a compensatory draft pick.

GREAT pickup... :261695:

Carey
01-28-2010, 03:46 PM
Either way, we have to be getting picks. And from what I saw of the ability of 5th-7th rounders to make our squad anymore, I wonder if any rebuilding teams would look to package an earlier pick for several late-round picks. If we can throw our 5th, 6th, and 7th picks for a 4th, we will be much better off (you can't trade compensatory picks or I would be all over giving the late-rounders from that too).

You know ur on to something, all it takes is a team that has multiple needs and not enough picks, for instance if the draft goes like this......

1. Demaryius Thomas WR
2. Tyson Aluala DE
3. Dennis Pitta TE
4. Andre Roberts WR
4. Patrick Stoudamire CB(little insurance because of Webb and Fab injuries, but we could get a hb here if they move mcgahee, or even DE again)

Thats enough impact, lets not forget about Quinn Sypniewski and Jason Phillips....both were on IR last year, Sypniewski is iffy, but if he can come back i'd be estatic with him as our 3rd TE, maybe its just my wishful thinking lol but i was a big fan of his. Phillips ran alot better at the combine(4.66)last year then people thought. All the scouting reports think he projects as a great special teams player that could stop the run on d but struggles a bit in pass coverage

Carey
01-28-2010, 03:49 PM
Bart Scott for Foxworth
Jason Brown for Matt Birk
Jim Leonhard for Chris Carr
Kyle Boller for LJ Smith

The Ravens signed 4 players who will qualify and lost 4 players who will qualify. The value(contract) of the 4 players we lost is greater than the 4 players we signed. This will probably get us a net value comp pick which is given at the end of round 7.

Well there goes my scenerio lol! nice breakdown tho

Sephy
01-28-2010, 03:55 PM
According to BmoreRavor, we likely won't be getting more than a 7th all told for the comp picks.

baltimore_hokie
01-28-2010, 03:57 PM
You know ur on to something, all it takes is a team that has multiple needs and not enough picks, for instance if the draft goes like this......

1. Demaryius Thomas WR
2. Tyson Aluala DE
3. Dennis Pitta TE
4. Andre Roberts WR
4. Patrick Stoudamire CB(little insurance because of Webb and Fab injuries, but we could get a hb here if they move mcgahee, or even DE again)

Thats enough impact, lets not forget about Quinn Sypniewski and Jason Phillips....both were on IR last year, Sypniewski is iffy, but if he can come back i'd be estatic with him as our 3rd TE, maybe its just my wishful thinking lol but i was a big fan of his. Phillips ran alot better at the combine(4.66)last year then people thought. All the scouting reports think he projects as a great special teams player that could stop the run on d but struggles a bit in pass coverage

Yeah, exactly. Why use those picks if the guys will just get cut during training camp? There will be some team out there with a new coach/GM that wants to gut their roster. They will value the quantity of picks the Ravens can provide, while we are looking at add quality to an already-deep roster.

Sua Sponte
01-28-2010, 04:16 PM
You know ur on to something, all it takes is a team that has multiple needs and not enough picks, for instance if the draft goes like this......

1. Demaryius Thomas WR
2. Tyson Aluala DE
3. Dennis Pitta TE
4. Andre Roberts WR
4. Patrick Stoudamire CB(little insurance because of Webb and Fab injuries, but we could get a hb here if they move mcgahee, or even DE again)

Thats enough impact, lets not forget about Quinn Sypniewski and Jason Phillips....both were on IR last year, Sypniewski is iffy, but if he can come back i'd be estatic with him as our 3rd TE, maybe its just my wishful thinking lol but i was a big fan of his. Phillips ran alot better at the combine(4.66)last year then people thought. All the scouting reports think he projects as a great special teams player that could stop the run on d but struggles a bit in pass coverage

I like that scenario. Trade a 6th and 7th for a 4th and still keep comp pick for the 7th and use it on a guy that we are already looking at as a UDFA. Ozzie always seems to find a few UDFA and usually scores on 1 (Ellerbe) every once in a while. We will still get 7 picks, that is more than last year.

Carey
01-31-2010, 11:27 AM
My Observations of the Game..........

Colin Peek- Tough, showed ability to stretch the field on the TD catch. He was put on a island twice having to block Brandon Graham and he shut him out both times.

Mardy Gilyard-Fluid and smooth, good after the catch, not the fastest but all his steps have purpose, just a playmaker. Mentally tough, much more then a system guy

Andre Roberts-Has great burst, plays a lil bigger then he measures, wanna keep a eye on him

Tyson Aluala-Active, Relentless, already looks like a Raven

Legarette Blount-looked to be in great shape, slimmed down some but still has great power, ran with purpose, he will be a steal

Jacoby Ford-He's a burner, gets upfield quick no false steps, i'd take him in the 3rd or 4th, will be a playmaker in the slot

Brandon Graham-To all the Graham supporters good pick, He was absolutely dominant, love his mentality, someone is getting a beast

Jimmy Graham-More agile then i thought, can do a little after the catch. He got absolutely dominated as a blocker tho, needs to get alot stronger