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awalt
05-18-2009, 11:33 AM
From Sporting News today and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette...

Even though the salary cup jumped surprisingly to $128 million, the Steelers remain strapped. The team,. according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, is only $5.6 million under the new threshold and thus might not be able to offer extensions to any of their NINE starters entering the final year of their contracts.

Tight end Heath Miller, halfback Willie Parker, nose tackle Casey Hampton, defensive end Brett Keisel, tackles Max Starks and Willie Colon, free safety Ryan Clark, center Justin Hartwig and kicker Jeff Reed all have contracts that expire after this season.

While the Steelers created more room with their recent moves, and the salary cap for each NFL team rose nearly $12 million since last season to $128 million, most of that cap room already has been gobbled up by higher salaries for 2009 to the point the Steelers were barely under the NFL cap before the draft. They also have their draft choices to sign.

One reason they don't have much wiggle room is the large increase in Ben Roethlisberger's cap figure. It was nearly $8 million last year, the first of his contract extension; it rises to more than $13.2 million this year. Other increases, although not as dramatic, include Keisel's climb of nearly $2 million to almost $5 million.

The Steelers have done a good job remaining not only competitive but winning two Super Bowls while managing the cap without wounding their future. They will be tested anew this year and next. They have paved the way to keep 20 of their 22 starters intact, but they may not be able to hold onto many or any of those nine who have one year left. One reason they don't have much wiggle room is the large increase in Ben Roethlisberger's cap figure. It was nearly $8 million last year, the first of his contract extension; it rises to more than $13.2 million this year. Other increases, although not as dramatic, include Keisel's climb of nearly $2 million to almost $5 million.

The Steelers have done a good job remaining not only competitive but winning two Super Bowls while managing the cap without wounding their future. They will be tested anew this year and next. They have paved the way to keep 20 of their 22 starters intact, but they may not be able to hold onto many or any of those nine who have one year left.

Kevin Colbert publicly proclaimed their desire to sign Starks to a contract extension, and Starks is open to a long-term deal. But with a guarantee of nearly $8.5 million this season as their franchise player, it does not seem plausible. The signing bonus alone would have to be enormous, in the $15 million range, for Starks to begin to entertain an extension. They tried last year after they guaranteed Starks a contract of nearly $8 million and could not do it. Why would anyone think they could pull it off this season?

They most likely will try to sign Miller and Reed to extensions as priorities, and perhaps Clark. They have no one behind either of those three who can measure up. Whether they can do so or not is another matter. The others may have to wait until after the season.

The unknown is whether a new collective bargaining agreement will occur before free agency in March. If not, players such as Miller and Colon will be restricted free agents rather than unrestricted, and each NFL team can tag two franchise players instead of one. That would, for instance, allow them to virtually keep four potential free agents -- Miller, Colon and two franchise players.

bmore4life
05-18-2009, 12:23 PM
i knew Ben's contract would end up screwing the squeelers... i just didn't think it would be so soon!!! but, this is great news!! its time for them to do a purge, like ours of 02'. but hopefully they won't be competitive for a few years!!!

caliraven
05-18-2009, 12:38 PM
"IF" you hate the squeelers?! For the record, I just hate steelers fans and only wish the team badly, outside of the benefit their losing brings the Ravens, so that those people have no joy.

Dave Lap
05-18-2009, 12:56 PM
I must admit, I would not cry to see the Steelers go into a downward spiral for about 5 years or so....

Jeremiah W
05-18-2009, 01:30 PM
We can not count on the salary cap to take them down. There is not even going to be one next year unless something drastic happens, and even if there is it will be high, no team will have any "dead money", and all the old tricks to backload deals will be back in effect.

The guys on that list are not that good. They locked up the core players long term and will be able to keep most if not all of the guys they want to as usual. They may not bring many free agents in, but they do not lose as many good players as we do in free agency most of the time.

The Ravens should be as good or better than them fo a long time anyway. We already have a better O line and in my mind the better defense. Flacco I think will be a better Qb than Big Jen. Joe has a better arm and Ben takes a beating holding onto the ball, and our ground game should keep Joe as protected as our bookend tackles.

CoverD
05-18-2009, 03:34 PM
That is good news but wont Flacco do the same to us when his time comes for a big pay day? Ray will be gone but Suggs probably wont and Ngata will be stepping up soon as will others.

That was a key for NEs success.

Tom Brady took less money to get others signed, especially the guys who protected him on the line.

That led to even more SBs than the recent Squeelers got.

I believe Flacco's going to be the kind of guy that would be willing to take less pay to sign others (especially if its players to help him out on offense). I mean he reportedly came to training camp driving his grandmother's 1990 Volvo...after he signed the $30 million contract. This guy seems very humble and a team player, I'm sure he'd be willing to help the team out.

psuasskicker
05-18-2009, 04:42 PM
I believe Flacco's going to be the kind of guy that would be willing to take less pay to sign others (especially if its players to help him out on offense). I mean he reportedly came to training camp driving his grandmother's 1990 Volvo...after he signed the $30 million contract. This guy seems very humble and a team player, I'm sure he'd be willing to help the team out.

One might have thought the same about Peyton Manning till he took a $99MM deal.

Same with Roethlisberger.

Brady is one of a kind...don't ever expect the same from anyone until it actually happens...

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Dragz
05-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Anything thats bad for Pitt is music to my ears...:happyanim

4G63
05-21-2009, 04:13 PM
Roethlisberger is worth every penny they pay him. The Stoolers win or lose based on how well he plays and every Stool fan knows it.

BlacknGold1208
05-23-2009, 12:53 PM
Hampton, Keisel, and Hartwig (depending on how well Shipley and Urbik develop) will probably all be gone unless they are willing to take less money. I think we will get Heath Miller signed before the season and hopefully Max Starks as well. There's no doubt the steelers are a little strapped right now but all of the core players are signed and ready to go. Yes we're gonna lose some guys after next season but look out for this year because everyone is back from a super bowl winning team!

52decleetzu
05-23-2009, 01:07 PM
The Stealers will just draft more good players like they always do,so dont get your hopes up.

I hate the Stealers more than anyone but to think they are going to take a big turn for the worse you are setting yourself up for a big disappointment.

BlacknGold1208
05-23-2009, 01:09 PM
i knew Ben's contract would end up screwing the squeelers... i just didn't think it would be so soon!!! but, this is great news!! its time for them to do a purge, like ours of 02'. but hopefully they won't be competitive for a few years!!!

We won't be doing a purge like yours of 02' because unlike your team that year, we have a franchise quarterback in Roethlisberger. Until this year you guys struggled because you had a solid football team but no stability at the qb position. Now that you've found your man in Flacco I don't expect you guys to drop off much either. I look forward to watching Ben and Joe go at twice a year for the next 10-12 seasons.

psuasskicker
05-24-2009, 03:13 PM
We won't be doing a purge like yours of 02' because unlike your team that year, we have a franchise quarterback in Roethlisberger. Until this year you guys struggled because you had a solid football team but no stability at the qb position. Now that you've found your man in Flacco I don't expect you guys to drop off much either. I look forward to watching Ben and Joe go at twice a year for the next 10-12 seasons.

FWIW, that's not really the main reason we struggled. Plenty of mediocre to bad QBs have won or played in Superbowls. Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc...

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Capt. Atari
05-24-2009, 11:08 PM
We won't be doing a purge like yours of 02' because unlike your team that year, we have a franchise quarterback in Roethlisberger. Until this year you guys struggled because you had a solid football team but no stability at the qb position. Now that you've found your man in Flacco I don't expect you guys to drop off much either. I look forward to watching Ben and Joe go at twice a year for the next 10-12 seasons.

I can't speak on Joe becasue he's only had 1 season but Roethleisburger is not playing another 10yrs. The way he plays he may be done by 2012. Don't be surprised if he's backing up another Steeler starter in a season or two.

BUDDAROW
05-25-2009, 09:55 AM
I can't speak on Joe becasue he's only had 1 season but Roethleisburger is not playing another 10yrs. The way he plays he may be done by 2012. Don't be surprised if he's backing up another Steeler starter in a season or two.

He keeps hanging onto the ball like he does and getting his bell rung this could very well be true.
Granted he be a tough SOB but he can only take so many smackdowns.

psuasskicker
05-25-2009, 10:01 AM
Not in a season or two, but four or five is starting to look fairly likely. He's tough and I admire the hell out of him, but his reckless play is going to hurt how long he'll play in his career.

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Jeremiah W
05-25-2009, 11:40 AM
He reminds me of a bigger McNair. McNair was awsome before he got batterd.