James Harrison = Idiot = pit bulls fascination

[Dade]

Not too bright is he...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Mr-Harrison-isn-t-going-to-Washington-Steeler-?urn=nfl,163886

[Aces2Bluff]

I think PFT had the best quote on the line when they said:

"But, hey, at least we now have a better understanding of how the Steelers got Harrison to sign a long-term deal worth only $51 million."

[Stealthbirds80]

Dear James Harrison,

This is great. With the owner being Mr. Ambassador and Obama's bud this can't get any better. I am pleased with your adeptness to bringing the Steelers down from the inside. Ever since we cut you, I knew you were going to make us proud to be Ravens fans and you didn't disappoint. All these years I've been wasting hours upon hours thinking of ways to get back at the Steelers fans and then you say no Stealth, here's a way. PFT is wrong, your not a closet idiot for signing that deal for pennies vs performance your America's idiot :patriot: along with Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin. With the power invested in me: James Harrison and Pittsburgh, I now pronounce you Husband and Wife. Steelers you may kiss the dummy! Hopefully this marriage last long, but if you two divorce may the judge award you with a chunk of thier salary cap.

Sincerely,
Steathbirds

[psuasskicker]

Not too bright is he...

You're being generous...

- C -

[f7eleven]

Usually, when a sentence begins with "as far as I'm concerned," it ends with an opinion, not an incontrovertible fact.


heh.

[Ravenator]

Actually, for how much I hate the Steelers I agree with Harrison to some extent. He is right, the only reason the Steelers are going to the White House is because they won the Super Bowl. If the Cards had won, they would be going. I can understand why he doesn't feel its that big of a deal.

[caliraven]

Harrison is an idiot. Of course you're only invited because you won. DUH. It's called an honor, and is a reward for success. It's not even like the guy has some sort of lofty political ideal that would cause him to boycott. This is an indication of an ego gone wild. Like he should be invited to the White House just based on his own inherent greatness. CLOWN. If he doesn't want to go, he shouldn't go. But, he shouldn't disparage the honor for others who'd appreciate it, disrespect the invite, or undermine the administration unnecessarily. It is possible to 'respectfully decline.' Free speech is one thing; rudeness and lack of etiquette is another.

[Losac]

Actually, for how much I hate the Steelers I agree with Harrison to some extent. He is right, the only reason the Steelers are going to the White House is because they won the Super Bowl. If the Cards had won, they would be going. I can understand why he doesn't feel its that big of a deal.

Huh? :229031_confused2: Sorry, but it is a big deal. Very few people get to meet the President, let alone on invitation to the White House. And yes, it is not to meet the Steelers, but to meet the Super Bowl winners, which is another thing that many NFL players never get to experience.

Harrison is a bonehead and should consider himself lucky. All those roids must be turning his brain into mush.

[Dade]

Actually, for how much I hate the Steelers I agree with Harrison to some extent. He is right, the only reason the Steelers are going to the White House is because they won the Super Bowl. If the Cards had won, they would be going. I can understand why he doesn't feel its that big of a deal.

I guess he shouldn't accept the Super Bowl ring either. Because they're only getting one cause they won and the Cards would have got it had they won.

[purplepoe]

Actually, for how much I hate the Steelers I agree with Harrison to some extent. He is right, the only reason the Steelers are going to the White House is because they won the Super Bowl. If the Cards had won, they would be going. I can understand why he doesn't feel its that big of a deal.

Of course the only reason they are going to the White House is because they won the Super Bowl.

LOL.

I'm pretty used to the idea of hearing dumb things coming out of athletes' mouths. These comments rank right up there with some of the most idiotic and ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Hell, I'd have more respect for him if he had somewhat legit reason (i.e. strong disagreement with the administration on a certain subject) even though anyone with a ounce of sense knows this isn't a political thing and put aside whatever their political stances are for a day.

PP

[psuasskicker]

I think it would be really funny if Obama came out and said "Since Harrison didn't want to come, I'd like to invite Larry Fitzgerald to take his place."

- C -

[BMoreNashville]

To me that's like saying, they're only giving me a gold medal because I came in first place. They can keep their gold medal because they wouldn't have given it to me if I didn't win.

Or

I only got invited to the Probowl because I was one of the best players so they can keep their Probowl invitation. They didn't invite me the year I sucked.

[darb72]

What he said was dumb. No kidding the only reason you got invited was because you won.

That said, I wouldn't be all that excited to meet Obama or any other President. It'd be a question of how bored I was if I went or not. There are a lot more entertaining things I could be doing, such as cutting the grass, reading, staring as the fungus on my toe-nails expands. Fun things like that.

[Dragz]

To me that's like saying, they're only giving me a gold medal because I came in first place. They can keep their gold medal because they wouldn't have given it to me if I didn't win.

Or

I only got invited to the Probowl because I was one of the best players so they can keep their Probowl invitation. They didn't invite me the year I sucked.

:iagree:

[highwater]

Even in this day and age when there seems to be a microphone in every athlete's face all the time, giving them plently of chances to sound dumb, this stands as a hilariously stupid comment. Harrision was apparently trying to sound profound but ending up sounding like an idiot. Funniest thing I've heard in quite a while.

[Ravenator]

Ok I am wrong, you all win.

[Ravcolt]

Too bad Harrison's not an idiot on the field. One can only hope...

[RavenScallywag]

More than anything, I'm sickened by this whole "If you like the Steelers, come see us when we don't win" attitude, like everyone should inherently love the Steelers as "America's Team" or something.

What do you honestly expect to tie Obama in with the Steelers? The guy was born in Hawaii, went to college in LA, then NYC, then Boston, then moved to Illinois. I could see being upset if Ed Rendell suddenly wanted the Steelers to meet him after never showing an interest. The guy is your governor, he should support you throughout.

But this is the President, leader of the whole damn country. He's kind've got more important things to do then line up to be a cheerleader for your team. Take the honor and be proud of it. Don't sit here and whine about the guy only inviting you because you won the SB.

If a Raven player had said something like this, I'd want them off the team. I don't care if your name is Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, or Joe Flacco...you put this kind of thing out there, then I hope you get UNINVITED from the White House. let some Practice Squad kid, who will probably JUMP at the chance, go in your place then.

[Losac]

More than anything, I'm sickened by this whole "If you like the Steelers, come see us when we don't win" attitude, like everyone should inherently love the Steelers as "America's Team" or something.

What do you honestly expect to tie Obama in with the Steelers? The guy was born in Hawaii, went to college in LA, then NYC, then Boston, then moved to Illinois. I could see being upset if Ed Rendell suddenly wanted the Steelers to meet him after never showing an interest. The guy is your governor, he should support you throughout.

But this is the President, leader of the whole damn country. He's kind've got more important things to do then line up to be a cheerleader for your team. Take the honor and be proud of it. Don't sit here and whine about the guy only inviting you because you won the SB.

If a Raven player had said something like this, I'd want them off the team. I don't care if your name is Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, or Joe Flacco...you put this kind of thing out there, then I hope you get UNINVITED from the White House. let some Practice Squad kid, who will probably JUMP at the chance, go in your place then.

Obama already is a cheerleader for the Steelers because the Rooneys kiss his ass. Political contributions will buy a lot of fans.

[NC Raven]

Agree w/the poster who said his argument is "they only invite me when I win the super bowl." Exactly. Or "I don't want this trophy because they only give it to me when I win the Super Bowl. Where was this trophy when we came in third?"

Apparently he's now coming out with "actually it's because I'm afraid of flying."

So see? Aren't we all horrible human beings for making fun of a man with a disability? Shame on us!

That's the modern trend I guess: (1) say something totally idiotic in public, (2) say you have a disability that either (a) caused you to say something totally idiotic (such as drug addiction or alcoholism) or (b) forced you to say something idiotic to hide your disability (like flying-a-phobia); then (3) hop on your moral high-horse and castigate everyone who ripped your idiocy for being bashers of the disabled, which now apparently 92% of the American population qualifies as, one way or another.

[RAVENOUS52]

Oh Harrison is a dumbass alright. Major League ego + Division III brain = one stupid meathead who doesn't deserve the honor he turned down.

This guy makes Jeff Spicoli look like Konstantin Tsiolkovskii!:grbac:

[psuasskicker]

Is he actually saying it's cause he's afraid of flying? Cause that's about as dumb an argument as his initial argument. Pittsburgh is like a five or six hour drive from DC. I'd drive two straight days for an opportunity to shake the president's hand (Bush, Obama...who freakin' cares, it's the most powerful man on the planet)! Six hours is nothing...

- C -

[ebs40476]

and to boot the dumb steelers fans are supporting the move in the post article comments WTF.

[mjones73]

He's back in the news today, the family pit bull attacked his 2 year old son. I hope the kid is alright, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, on the other hand, who keeps a pit bull where it can get to a 2 year old?

[effo5231]

He's back in the news today, the family pit bull attacked his 2 year old son. I hope the kid is alright, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, on the other hand, who keeps a pit bull where it can get to a 2 year old?

I love my pit. Love him to death. Sleep with him in bed with me. But I very carefully monitor how he interacts with my kids and always have them separated if my wife or I isn't there to directly supervise them.

Its called common sense, and its apparently running low these days.

[ravenmaniac]

I love my pit. Love him to death. Sleep with him in bed with me. But I very carefully monitor how he interacts with my kids and always have them separated if my wife or I isn't there to directly supervise them.

Its called common sense, and its apparently running low these days.

Actually, common sense would be to not own a pitbull if you have small children.

[effo5231]

Actually, common sense would be to not own a pitbull if you have small children.

Remmi is a great dog with kids. They can pull his tail and ears and stick their hands in his nose... and he loves it. Try that with the average poodle and see how far it gets you.

But I recognize that any dog his size is capable of a lot of damage to a young child, so I'm responsible.

[Mista T]

Remmi is a great dog with kids. They can pull his tail and ears and stick their hands in his nose... and he loves it. Try that with the average poodle and see how far it gets you.

But I recognize that any dog his size is capable of a lot of damage to a young child, so I'm responsible.

Responsible? :229031_confused2:

If you were truly responsible, for the sake of those children, please get rid of the dog (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html):



there were 4.7 million dog bite victims annually in the USA. A more recent study showed that 1,000 Americans per day are treated in emergency rooms as a result of dog bites. In 2007 there were 33 fatal dog attacks in the USA. Most of the victims who receive medical attention are children, half of whom are bitten in the face.....

pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings.

..... "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

[Dade]

I see this turning into an another Vick discussion.

[ravenmaniac]

We had a girl work for us who used to brag that her rottweiller never bit anyone and its all in the way you train them before he locked down on her 14 yr old son one day for no apparent reason.

I have a buddy who's sister just adopted a pit bull. Last week it killed her 14 yr old cat and now both animals are dead.

I grew up with a poodle from 6 to 15 and then raised three golden retrievers. Now these dogs are the ones that wouldn't hurt a child. You are playing w/fire owning pits or rotts with small children.

[Jeremiah W]

We had a girl work for us who used to brag that her rottweiller never bit anyone and its all in the way you train them before he locked down on her 14 yr old son one day for no apparent reason.

I have a buddy who's sister just adopted a pit bull. Last week it killed her 14 yr old cat and now both animals are dead.

I grew up with a poodle from 6 to 15 and then raised three golden retrievers. Now these dogs are the ones that wouldn't hurt a child. You are playing w/fire owning pits or rotts with small children.

Speaking of playing with fire, how many morons burn down thier house during bbq season? How many people drown swimming in the ocean? Life is dangerous even if you are doing it right, you have better odds if you are smart, but we are all rolling the dice every day on the highway.

Pit Bulls are dangerous, but I bet more people are hurt worse/ infected, every year from cat bites and scratches than pit bull bites.

[phatboy]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81075af5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Friggin squeeler idiot

[Brtnder81]

to bad the dog didnt bite him

[effo5231]

Responsible? :229031_confused2:

If you were truly responsible, for the sake of those children, please get rid of the dog (http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html):

I am familiar with the study you're using, it was performed in 1994 and uses one of the most UN-reliable methods there is: Survey. Worse, sampler bias can be introduced to the study because samplers know which are control dogs and which are study dogs. They admit that Chows and GSDs are most common, and then announce that these two breeds are responsible for most of the bites! Worse, they rely on the owner's id of the breed, even in mixed breeds (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:D_2tGFO1BhkJ:www.aspenbloompetcare.com/Bite%2520Statistics.doc+pit+bull+bite+statistics&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

Think its easy to pick a pit bull? Try it. (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html) Even if you get it right on the first try clearly you can see how hard it is to identify a specific breed based solely on appearance if you are not a trained vet or animal handler.

The study in question also failed to differentiate between nurtured and unaltered dogs... which is a HUGE factor in the likelihood that a dog will become aggressive.

The most damning bit of evidence that states that your survey is a load of bunk is the fact that it failed to acknowledge human behavior. For example, a number of cases where a Pit Bull, Rottweiler or German Shepherd Dog were counted as causing a human fatality, in reality the direct result was from gross human negligence or criminal intent. Any dog will bit if mistreated, and those three breeds are among the most likely dogs to be abused.

Oh and because I LOVE statistics, these stats are in reference to all dog attacks, not simply pit attacks;



Children under the age of one year accounted for the highest number of fatalities, at 19%. Over 95% of these deaths occurred when an infant was left unsupervised!

The group with the second highest number of fatalities was 2 year olds, at 11%. Over 87% of these fatalities occurred when the child was left unsupervised!


Seems like responsible supervision is as effective at preventing dog bites as a condom is at preventing pregnancy.

[effo5231]

As far the fascination with pitbulls, for me its because mine is the sweetest, most intelligent, most lovable dog I've ever owned.

He was a bait dog who got pretty beat up before I took him in.... terrible stuff, but he's healthy and happy now. See my post in the Harrison thread about how shoddy research and sensationalistic reporting is far more responsible for the bad rap on pit bulls than anything the dogs themselves do.

[Mr.Boh]

"An unidentified neighbor told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that one of the star player's three dogs got loose on Thursday and attacked the boy, "
If its your dog, how does it "get loose". Pits, and all dogs for that matter, should be parts of the family, not kept separated and isolated. They develope the same tendacies in those situations as people in a solitary enviroment, ie no social skills or norms. The problem is people treat these animals as status symbols, not companions. It really pisses me off.

[Drkraven]

Working as a homecare nurse 10 years ago I got mauled twice by the same patients Rottie, I did nothing more damaging then ring the bell and be admitted to the house, the daughter thought mom locked up the dog and mom thought the daughter locked him up--they knew he was vicious. My clothes were in tatters and he damaged one of those metal clipboards that holds papers on the inside. I have only a few scars on my arms and face, the emotional ones are by far the worst, I am a dog lover and own a dog.
I am mess if anything larger then a miniature poodle comes up to me.
I feel horrible for that little boy and hope he recovers quickly its not his fault his dad is a violent dumbass. Harrison was the one who beat up his wife, was he not?

[highwater]

I haven't read a detailed report or article on this yet, but according to what I heard on the radio this afternoon, Harrison has three pit bulls and one of them got loose, and attacked one of Harrison's kids.

And my quesition is this -- if this report I heard was accurate, about one of the dogs "getting loose," why the hell do you have dogs that have to be confined? If you have dogs that have to be basically locked up to keep them away from the rest of the family, why have them at all?

I'm guessing that Mike Vick could answer that question.

[effo5231]

I haven't read a detailed report or article on this yet, but according to what I heard on the radio this afternoon, Harrison has three pit bulls and one of them got loose, and attacked one of Harrison's kids.

And my quesition is this -- if this report I heard was accurate, about one of the dogs "getting loose," why the hell do you have dogs that have to be confined? If you have dogs that have to be basically locked up to keep them away from the rest of the family, why have them at all?

I'm guessing that Mike Vick could answer that question.

Precisely, animals are not status symbols, or toys, or objects to be tied up; they are animals. And if you do such a shitty job socializing them as puppies that they need to be locked up at all times... then I blame you, not the dog for any carnage it may cause.

Socialize your pets. Supervise your pets. Every year millions of pit bulls don't attack anyone... but then some moron goes and makes the whole breed look bad by being a complete jackass about how to treat your animal.

[RavensDomination]

As far the fascination with pitbulls, for me its because mine is the sweetest, most intelligent, most lovable dog I've ever owned.

+1

to me I equate it (i.e. the whole ban pit bull movement) to the guy who buys a gun, doesn't know anything about it, then leaves it loaded in his night stand for his kid to find it and shoot himself or another kid. Then everyone is like - ban the guns! why have a gun?! Get rid of the guns! omg!

[effo5231]

Re: I do not understand the facination with pitbulls

small man syndrome

That's an insultingly simple explanation for the popularity of the breed... unless you are referring to the popularity of the breed among assholes who treat their dogs as status symbols or street cred providers, in which case I agree with you.

In other words, if you're claiming I picked my pit out of some misplaced need to compensate then you are a moron... If you are claiming Harrison did, then you are clearly a genius.:D

[jonboy79]

Think its easy to pick a pit bull? Try it. (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html) Even if you get it right on the first try clearly you can see how hard it is to identify a specific breed based solely on appearance if you are not a trained vet or animal handler.


GREAT!!! I'm a fan of these dogs and it took me half a dozen tries.

[jonboy79]

I haven't read a detailed report or article on this yet, but according to what I heard on the radio this afternoon, Harrison has three pit bulls and one of them got loose, and attacked one of Harrison's kids.

And my quesition is this -- if this report I heard was accurate, about one of the dogs "getting loose," why the hell do you have dogs that have to be confined? If you have dogs that have to be basically locked up to keep them away from the rest of the family, why have them at all?

I'm guessing that Mike Vick could answer that question.

Ding, DIng we have a winner. A poodle, Dalmation or Chow would have done the same thing if treated the same.

[Greg]

He was a bait dog who got pretty beat up before I took him in.... terrible stuff, but he's healthy and happy now.

You need to get rid of that dog. You have small children and a formerly abused dog, this is a horrible mix asking for a tragic incident. Notice I didn't say pitbull. Any formerly abused dog is much more likely to change his demeanor in an instant when anything reminds him of the former abuse. That he is a pitbull more disposed to this and much, much more powerful than your average dog only adds to the seriousness of the situation.

[effo5231]

You need to get rid of that dog. You have small children and a formerly abused dog, this is a horrible mix asking for a tragic incident. Notice I didn't say pitbull. Any formerly abused dog is much more likely to change his demeanor in an instant when anything reminds him of the former abuse. That he is a pitbull more disposed to this and much, much more powerful than your average dog only adds to the seriousness of the situation.

I understand your reaction, but I assure you it is based far more on emotion, shoddy reporting of the nature of most dog attacks nationwide, and a misunderstanding of dog psychology than on verifiable facts. (http://www.nopitbullbans.com/?page_id=32)

As I pointed out in my earlier links, the science linking pit bulls as a breed to a possessing a higher disposition to bite is spurious at best. I am cognizant of the damage Remmi could do if he ever chose to attack a human, but his disposition has always been that of a sweetly subservient dog... According to the agency we adopted him from, he was bred by a fight ring to be a fighter but became a bait dog early on because he simply refused to attack the dogs and cats they would put in a ring with him to train him up.

Despite his lifetime of non-aggression, I still take every precaution about keeping him leashed when he's not in my home, keeping him in a segregated part of my home from my children when I am not actively monitoring his behavior, and keeping him thoroughly well socialized and exercised when I am.

The poster who compared owning a pit to owning a gun was spot on.... Yes there is potential danger, but between the fact that he was neutered before he became an adult dog and the variety of safety measures I engage in in terms of his treatment and behavior said danger is minimized. (Remember, 95% of children who are bitten by dogs are bitten while they interact with said dog unsupervised.)

(Actually Sport's Illustrated ran a story a few months ago on Vick's actual dogs.... Several of them are certified therapy dogs for working with children now. I'll see if I can find said article to share it with you all.)

Edited to add... Sorry I see that you specify that your concern has nothing to do with Remmi's breed, but rather his past.... I can't say I agree with you, but I appreciate that at least you recognize that human treatment of animals is far more important to their development than the breed they happen to be born.

[darb72]

I'll agree that poodles are a much more violent breed than pitbulls. Chows are probably the most violent dogs I have ever come across and there is no way in heck I would ever own one.

That said, pits are more dangerous. It's not a question of if one snaps, or if they ever do. It's the fact that when a dog that is bred to kill does snap, they're going to do what they do best. I wouldn't let my son near a house with a pitbull in it, regardless of how many precautions the owner had in place.

[crazyraven]

Pit bulls are thee worst dogs known to man. I feel bad for james harrison kid but hes stupid for owning one of these dogs. hopefully they take the dog out who perpertrated this vile act.

You always here people that say if you love them they wont attack. Thats bullshit because they always attack some kid or innocent neighbor. those dogs are looking for the opportunity to tear into something. Its just the way they are.

[BUDDAROW]

Guess I'm safe with my 2 Papillon's....
They think they're tough but it would amount to small bites
I've been exposed to friends Rotties and Pit Bulls and there was ALWAYS a air of caution in the surrounding space around said dog and people.
I can honestly say ain't nobody been scared to move within the space MY dogs claimed as their own.
You might get licked a bit but mauled???
I personally don't need a big badass/tough dog to make me feel the same.
I'll take my tiny/tough amazeingly smart and loving little compainions over a potential lawsuit any day.

[effo5231]

Pit bulls are thee worst dogs known to man. I feel bad for james harrison kid but hes stupid for owning one of these dogs. hopefully they take the dog out who perpertrated this vile act.

You always here people that say if you love them they wont attack. Thats bullshit because they always attack some kid or innocent neighbor. those dogs are looking for the opportunity to tear into something. Its just the way they are.

You sir, are clearly a moron.

That is all.

[jonboy79]

Guess I'm safe with my 2 Papillon's....
They think they're tough but it would amount to small bites
I've been exposed to friends Rotties and Pit Bulls and there was ALWAYS a air of caution in the surrounding space around said dog and people.
I can honestly say ain't nobody been scared to move within the space MY dogs claimed as their own.
You might get licked a bit but mauled???
I personally don't need a big badass/tough dog to make me feel the same.
I'll take my tiny/tough amazeingly smart and loving little compainions over a potential lawsuit any day.

I sort of agree with your second point, again, referring back to the comparison to a gun. Yes you should always be cautious around Pit Bulls. You wouldn't leave a loaded gun unserpervised around kids but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
Requiring training courses for certain breeds of dogs is not out of question in my book.
Little dogs are FAR more Likely to bite, though equally as less likely to do damage.

[crazyraven]

You sir, are clearly a moron.

That is all.

And you are clearly a douchbag....I just hope that dog doesnt have any flash backs when you have company over or your kids pet it the wrong way. How humane are you if you have to cage that thing up anyway.

But if something does happen I could only say that I would only like to see it happen to a douchbag like yourself...I'd be the first one to say I told you so.

that's all

[Mista T]

You sir, are clearly a moron.

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And you are clearly a douchbag....

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C'mon children. Even six year-olds can do better than that. :mrt:

[effo5231]

And you are clearly a douchbag....I just hope that dog doesnt have any flash backs when you have company over or your kids pet it the wrong way. How humane are you if you have to cage that thing up anyway.

But if something does happen I could only say that I would only like to see it happen to a douchbag like yourself...I'd be the first one to say I told you so.

that's all

I never said I cage my dog up... I said that if I'm not supervising him, he is kept segregated from my children. Have you ever heard of baby gates?

As for you liking to see a "douchebag like me" attacked... all I can say is that I think its pretty telling about the kind of person you are that you think people who rescue abused animals deserve to be attacked by dogs. Makes you seem somewhat petty that me calling you a moron is enough of a reason for you to wish a mauling on me just so you can say "I told you so."

[highwater]

C'mon children. Even six year-olds can do better than that. :mrt:

Seems to me that crazyraven is always a party to these six-year-old level fights. But I guess that's just a coincidence.

[effo5231]

Seems to me that crazyraven is always a party to these six-year-old level fights. But I guess that's just a coincidence.

In his defense, I did start the name calling and that was wrong. I apologize for it.

However, it is hard to maintain one's objectivity when reading something so vitriolic and divorced from reality as "Pit bulls are thee worst dogs known to man" and "they always attack some kid or innocent neighbor. those dogs are looking for the opportunity to tear into something. Its just the way they are."

If someone wants to provide good info for why pit bulls are more trouble than they're worth, I'll listen to it and respond in kind with good info on why they're a great breed in responsible hands... but crazyraven decided that it made more sense to just make random and insane accusations that have nothing to do with actual fact and I'll be darned if that didn't just get my blood boiling.

[Drkraven]

I have a 5 yo 20 lb Bichon that was attacked by a neighbors dog when she was out front on her lead. My son was out with her but she got bitten twice.
Muffin got really aggressive around strangers and other dogs for 2 months or so after the incident, we almost had to retrain her. Any one who knows Bichons know they are the sweetest, friendliest breed out there, they are little white puff balls of affection.
I can not imagine what would happen to a dog with a reputation for aggression is poked or pissed off, and toddlers love to poke dogs, tug ears and tails. Because of the attack I referenced earlier, I will never own a bigger dog them a Bichon.

[crazyraven]

I never said I cage my dog up... I said that if I'm not supervising him, he is kept segregated from my children. Have you ever heard of baby gates?
Either way the dog is not allowed to roam the house freely. This isn't a good thing if he is confined to certain areas of the house. But you have to do what ever you have to do to keep those kids safe.


As for you liking to see a "douchebag like me" attacked... all I can say is that I think its pretty telling about the kind of person you are that you think people who rescue abused animals deserve to be attacked by dogs. Makes you seem somewhat petty that me calling you a moron is enough of a reason for you to wish a mauling on me just so you can say "I told you so

I certainly don't want to see you get mauled but Did you think i was going to compliment you after you called me a moron? if you're going to dish it out you better be able to take it.

Seriously though I'm afraid of those dogs, there is no doubt about that. You can sight all kinds of articles debating that those dogs are the sweetest pets but the realities show up when you google pitbulls and click on News. You'll see tons of pitbull attack stories. James Harrison's kid is the latest victim but its not the only one.

You even admitted yourself that these dogs are like having a loaded gun in the house. They are dangerous animals. I dont think i said anything that was misinformed.


In his defense, I did start the name calling and that was wrong. I apologize for it.
No problem and back at ya, dawg :D


Seems to me that crazyraven is always a party to these six-year-old level fights. But I guess that's just a coincidence.

Seems to me you are way to obsessed with what I do around here Highwater. Get over it already and PLEASE leave me alone.
Before I go and I say "that is all"... I would fucking love it if I saw Highwater helpless, getting chewed and mauled by a pitbull. I wouldnt intervine. Id just let that pitbull have at it.

Wait! That aint right....I shouldnt think like that, I take it back. :179421:

That is all.

[effo5231]

Seriously though I'm afraid of those dogs, there is no doubt about that. You can sight all kinds of articles debating that those dogs are the sweetest pets but the realities show up when you google pitbulls and click on News. You'll see tons of pitbull attack stories. James Harrison's kid is the latest victim but its not the only one.


I pointed out earlier that the main reason for the proliferation of "Pit bull attack" stories in the news is that pit bulls get misidentified as the culprits in attacks with ridiculous frequency. Upwards of 25 different dog breeds regularly get called pit bulls by news agencies and uninformed witnesses, I already posted this link but you must have missed it. (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html)

[ravenmaniac]

from Peter King's article today...and I agree with him...

9. I think you can start firing up the e-mails about this right now, but I won't back down: I laugh when I hear fans of the pit bull breed say pit bulls are no more harmful than any other dog on the planet, and they only turn bad when they're trained to be bad. Yeah, right. Why do I never read about golden retrievers attacking, maiming and killing people? I do not understand why families with children use pit bulls as guard dogs or pets.

[crazyraven]

I pointed out earlier that the main reason for the proliferation of "Pit bull attack" stories in the news is that pit bulls get misidentified as the culprits in attacks with ridiculous frequency. Upwards of 25 different dog breeds regularly get called pit bulls by news agencies and uninformed witnesses, I already posted this link but you must have missed it. (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html)

Ok so they get mistaken for some of these breeds. If they are mistaken for a pitbull its because they do have the same demenor and look.

All of those dogs look like pit bulls. So OK, I'll include those breeds in it as well. each one of those dogs will eat you for dinner if you cross them the wrong way and yes I am scared of each and every one of them especially the pitbull.

I will keep my distance from dogs that look like that.

[Greg]

I never said I cage my dog up... I said that if I'm not supervising him, he is kept segregated from my children. Have you ever heard of baby gates?
I respect your rescuing of dogs, but I am very concerned for your children that you "supervise" and "segregate" these dogs from your children with baby gates. These dogs have the ability/power/tenacity to plow threw a baby gate like it was wet tissue paper.

Pitbulls and the look-alikes are very powerful dogs with demeanors the lend themselves to quick changes in manner and temper. Your baby gates are little more than a speed bump between these very powerful and unpredictable (especially considering their history) dogs.

[effo5231]

Ok so they get mistaken for some of these breeds. If they are mistaken for a pitbull its because they do have the same demenor and look.

All of those dogs look like pit bulls. So OK, I'll include those breeds in it as well. each one of those dogs will eat you for dinner if you cross them the wrong way and yes I am scared of each and every one of them especially the pitbull.

I will keep my distance from dogs that look like that.

You know what I hate? How every single Baltimore Raven is a fucking criminal. Dante Stallworth, Leonard Little, Mike Vick, Plaxico Burress... what assholes.

[effo5231]

I respect your rescuing of dogs, but I am very concerned for your children that you "supervise" and "segregate" these dogs from your children with baby gates. These dogs have the ability/power/tenacity to plow threw a baby gate like it was wet tissue paper.

Pitbulls and the look-alikes are very powerful dogs with demeanors the lend themselves to quick changes in manner and temper. Your baby gates are little more than a speed bump between these very powerful and unpredictable (especially considering their history) dogs.

You're unfamiliar with the brand I use so I understand the confusion. The gate I use is an accordion style wooden barrier that is screwed into the wall on each side and opened on a hinge... Theoretically the dog could gnaw through the 1 inch square pieces of wood that make up the slats to get through the gate but short of doing that, its simply not possible for an animal smaller than a pony to tear the gate down by brute force.

[crazyraven]

You know what I hate? How every single Baltimore Raven is a fucking criminal. Dante Stallworth, Leonard Little, Mike Vick, Plaxico Burress... what assholes.


Now you're comparing dogs to people? dude...you can think its the same but it aint.

[xmradiodave]

This is why I have a wiener dog. While he is a very affectionate animal toward my wife and I and immediate family. He dislikes strangers and is aggressive toward them. However, if he were to ever go after a person, virtually anyone... and I mean anyone could kick his ass. Not exactly a strong animal, those dachshunds.

[effo5231]

Now you're comparing dogs to people? dude...you can think its the same but it aint.

Why not? I mistook those players for Baltimore Ravens based on your standards of equivalency; that they have the same demeanor and look.

Think of it another way, if I were to define every single dog on the bite statistics list that had similar appearances as one breed then I could combine the bite frequencies of every single type of retriever into one breed and claim that Labs are responsible for hundreds of times more bites than Wiener dogs. Its poor science and faulty logic to attempt to perform a statistical analysis of dog bite frequency by breed if you are unable or unwilling to properly define each breed by the same standards.

[ravenmaniac]

You're unfamiliar with the brand I use so I understand the confusion. The gate I use is an accordion style wooden barrier that is screwed into the wall on each side and opened on a hinge... Theoretically the dog could gnaw through the 1 inch square pieces of wood that make up the slats to get through the gate but short of doing that, its simply not possible for an animal smaller than a pony to tear the gate down by brute force.

Its the fact that this dog was rescued from being involved in dog fighting that is the real threat to the kids. There is no way you can watch every move. Everyone lets their guard down and runs to the get the phone or a drink out of the kitchen and thats the only window a dog needs. The point is, if something horrible happens, it'll be too late and you'll put that dog down and won't think twice about it.

[effo5231]

Wanna see something truly telling about pits?

According to a 24-year st udy performed in the US and Canada there were a total of 2,209 “[dog] attacks doing bodily harm” in the U.S. and Canada. 1,182 of those attacks were by pit bulls and pit bull mixes. (Lumping mixes together with so-called purebreds makes no sense from any standpoint, but the study lumps them together --- so I will, too, again for the purposes of this post.)

1,182 severe attacks by pit bulls and pit mixes in the U.S. and Canada over a 24-year period [according to the Clifton statistics] works out to an average of just over 49 severe attacks by pit bulls and pit bull mixes in North America per year.

Thus no more than 49 of the 6,000 or so hospitalizations due to severe dog bites in the U.S. each year are a result of pit bull bites or attacks, and therefor pit bulls and pit mixes are responsible for less than one percent of those hospitalizations.

.82%. Eighty-two hundredths of a percent of hospitalizations due to dog bites in the U.S. each year are a result of pit bull bites or attacks, if the press has accurately represented the number of serious attacks by pit bulls and pit mixes.

Cite (http://dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf)

[effo5231]

Its the fact that this dog was rescued from being involved in dog fighting that is the real threat to the kids. There is no way you can watch every move. Everyone lets their guard down and runs to the get the phone or a drink out of the kitchen and thats the only window a dog needs. The point is, if something horrible happens, it'll be too late and you'll put that dog down and won't think twice about it.

Cite please that a rescued dog is more likely than a non rescue dog to attack a child.

This dog's (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91769901) existence seems to be an argument in my favor.

[ravenmaniac]

And in the past three yrs...almost 60% of deaths by dogbites from dogbites.org says its pit bulls


DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.

download report »

Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail."

[effo5231]

And in the past three yrs...almost 60% of deaths by dogbites from dogbites.org says its pit bulls


DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.

download report »

Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail."

Your counter argument runs into 2 problems. 1. You are attempting to disprove my statistics, which are based on a sample size of 24 years and over 6000 incidents, with statistics that are based on 3 years and less than 100 incidents. That would be like me arguing that Jamal Lewis is a better running back than Jim Brown because in 2006 Jamal had over 2000 yards whereas Jim Brown only averaged 1300 yards per year in his career. The larger the sample size, the more accurately statistics will reflect reality.

The second problem your story runs into is one I have documented repeatedly in this thread, and that is the media's refusal to properly sort pit bulls from similar or look alike breeds when reporting on dog attacks.

[ravenmaniac]

Cite please that a rescued dog is more likely than a non rescue dog to attack a child.

This dog's (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91769901) existence seems to be an argument in my favor.

I cite you and all of the other pit owners on here who claim, "its all in the way they were raised". Yours was raised to fight, hence, more likely to attack or why else separate him from the kids?

[effo5231]

You claim that the dog being a fight rescue is a REAL danger. Please back that up with evidence, not anecdotes.

I contend that that has nothing to do with the level of risk in keeping him. How my dog spent the first 12 weeks of his life is less important overall to his development than how he has been treated in the ensuing year and a half.

[darb72]

Your counter argument runs into 2 problems. 1. You are attempting to disprove my statistics, which are based on a sample size of 24 years and over 6000 incidents, with statistics that are based on 3 years and less than 100 incidents. That would be like me arguing that Jamal Lewis is a better running back than Jim Brown because in 2006 Jamal had over 2000 yards whereas Jim Brown only averaged 1300 yards per year in his career. The larger the sample size, the more accurately statistics will reflect reality.

The second problem your story runs into is one I have documented repeatedly in this thread, and that is the media's refusal to properly sort pit bulls from similar or look alike breeds when reporting on dog attacks.

Are you blind or just dumb? Pit bulls can kill you easier than any other breed. It's what they're bred for. I'm not one of those people who think pits are mind-less killing machines but the fact is they are a very dangerous dog because of their power. They snap, someone is going to the hospital.

Oh, and as far as stats being doctored, did you take into account that it is illegal to own a pit bull in Canada when you were tossing out yours?

[effo5231]

Are you blind or just dumb? Pit bulls can kill you easier than any other breed. It's what they're bred for. I'm not one of those people who think pits are mind-less killing machines but the fact is they are a very dangerous dog because of their power. They snap, someone is going to the hospital.

Oh, and as far as stats being doctored, did you take into account that it is illegal to own a pit bull in Canada when you were tossing out yours?

My point has nothing to do with an anatomical analysis of pit bulls, your response is a complete non-sequitur. Objective reality states that over a 24 year period, there was an average of 6000 dog attacks per year in the US and Canada which required hospitilization... and out of those 6000 attacks per year, 49 per year were attributed to pit bulls. That is objective and undeniable reality.

As for the legality of owning a pit bull in Canada, the study I quoted was performed PRIOR to the ban... they were completely legal and apparently quite popular during the time frame of the study.

Before you accuse someone of being dumb, please work on your reading comprehension.

[ravenmaniac]

The point is, regardless of any studies, my kid's health and well being are worth more to me than any pet. I wouldn't risk it. I certainly wouldn't risk having a dog around who was bred and trained to fight (successful or not). I might get a mini-golden doodle someday but I still want them older than they are today.

[darb72]

My point has nothing to do with an anatomical analysis of pit bulls, your response is a complete non-sequitur. Objective reality states that over a 24 year period, there was an average of 6000 dog attacks per year in the US and Canada which required hospitilization... and out of those 6000 attacks per year, 49 per year were attributed to pit bulls. That is objective and undeniable reality.

As for the legality of owning a pit bull in Canada, the study I quoted was performed PRIOR to the ban... they were completely legal and apparently quite popular during the time frame of the study.

Before you accuse someone of being dumb, please work on your reading comprehension.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

Pit bull type dogs accounted for 1/3 of DBRF (dog bite related fatalities) in a 12 year period between 1981 and 1992.

118 pit butll type dogs were involved in DBRF between 1979 and 1998. Rotweiliers and Pit bulls account for 60% of DBRF during that time.

"[pit bulls] inflict more serious wounds than other breeds. They tend to attack the deep muscles, to hold on, to shake, and to cause ripping of tissues. Pit bull attacks were compared to shark attacks." http://www.scribd.com/doc/11568596/Pit-bull-attack-case-report-and-literature

This report tells sums up nicely what we've been trying to tell you. It's not that pitbulls or rotweilers are any more aggressive than other breeds. It's the fact that when they do attack, they kill.
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attacks-merritt-clifton-2007.pdf


The first time I see a pit bull or rotweiler running lose in my neighborhood, I'm going to shoot it. First time I see one of those breeds not attached to a very strong chain and a very large tree, I'm going to shoot it. You may not care about the safety of your family but I care about mine.

[Mista T]

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The first time I see a pit bull or rotweiler running lose in my neighborhood, I'm going to shoot it. First time I see one of those breeds not attached to a very strong chain and a very large tree, I'm going to shoot it. You may not care about the safety of your family but I care about mine.

:iagree:

I see it as the same as a bear running loose.

[HoustonRaven]

The first time I see a pit bull or rotweiler running lose in my neighborhood, I'm going to shoot it. First time I see one of those breeds not attached to a very strong chain and a very large tree, I'm going to shoot it. You may not care about the safety of your family but I care about mine.

:word

In Texas, it's legal to shoot at a pit off a leash :D

[crazyraven]

Instinct tells me to stay away from those dogs. You can site papers and studies all you want. When those things snap, Hello, I do not want to be around it.

Now I dont have the heart to shoot a dog but its like MrT said its like a bear running wild and You have to do what you have to do keep you and your family safe.

[Big Worm]

Even if the likelihood of the dog attacking your child was remote (and almost non-existent if supervised) why take the chance at all? Yes there are risks all around and kids can get injured doing anything but I see my job as a parent to minimize/eliminate the risks that could jeopardize the life of my kids. That is why you put a baby gate at the top of the stairs, cover electrical outlets, keep cleaning supplies out of reach, weapons locked up, etc...

I think the same would go for keeping a pit bull or any dog that has been abused in the past. I just don't see how the benefiits of owning such an animal would outweigh the risk.

[effo5231]

Even if the likelihood of the dog attacking your child was remote (and almost non-existent if supervised) why take the chance at all? Yes there are risks all around and kids can get injured doing anything but I see my job as a parent to minimize/eliminate the risks that could jeopardize the life of my kids. That is why you put a baby gate at the top of the stairs, cover electrical outlets, keep cleaning supplies out of reach, weapons locked up, etc...

I think the same would go for keeping a pit bull or any dog that has been abused in the past. I just don't see how the benefiits of owning such an animal would outweigh the risk.

So I assume you don't put your child in your car then right? Because a child is roughly eleventy billion times more like to die as a result of a car accident then a pit bull attack.

[effo5231]

Instinct tells me to stay away from those dogs. You can site papers and studies all you want. When those things snap, Hello, I do not want to be around it.

Now I dont have the heart to shoot a dog but its like MrT said its like a bear running wild and You have to do what you have to do keep you and your family safe.

I'm not arguing that YOU should get a pit. And I would certainly protect my family from a strange dog running off a leash (any dog, not just a pit). But me saying that does not in any way contradict me pointing out that over all pits have been given a bad rap for behavior that is statistically speaking, very rare.

That's the only point I'm trying to make here. That and to disagree with people who for some reason think they know my dog better than I do.

[ravenmaniac]

So I assume you don't put your child in your car then right? Because a child is roughly eleventy billion times more like to die as a result of a car accident then a pit bull attack.

People HAVE to drive. They don't have to own an animal.

[effo5231]

So I assume you don't put your child in your car then right? Because a child is roughly eleventy billion times more like to die as a result of a car accident then a pit bull attack.

People HAVE to drive. They don't have to own an animal.

Joke; Something said or written for humorous amusement rather than with the intent of being taken seriously.

[ravenmaniac]

LOL, hilarious.

[effo5231]

LOL, hilarious.

I know right? I ROFLed... and LMAOed. Later I'm going to invent another acronym to describe laughing and do that.

[darb72]

I'm not arguing that YOU should get a pit. And I would certainly protect my family from a strange dog running off a leash (any dog, not just a pit). But me saying that does not in any way contradict me pointing out that over all pits have been given a bad rap for behavior that is statistically speaking, very rare.

That's the only point I'm trying to make here. That and to disagree with people who for some reason think they know my dog better than I do.

They get a bad rap because they and rottweilers account for more human fatalities than all other dog breeds put together by a 60-40 margin.

I don't care to know your dog. I would hope that you're not so stupid as to have an animal with a history of violence towards humans in your house (though given your post so far I can't be quite certain). In one of those articles I supplied you with you'd see that the thing about pit bulls is that in the majority of attacks those dogs had never exhibited violent behavior either. They snap once and the damage is done.

Now to your flat out ignorant comment about children in cars. My job is to keep my son safe. That means reducing the risk he will hurt himself. There are things I can't control, like how other people drive, the weather, etc... However, if it's something I can control then I make damned sure it's not inside my house. A loaded gun for example, or a dog with a history of killing people.

[ravenmaniac]

They get a bad rap because they and rottweilers account for more human fatalities than all other dog breeds put together by a 60-40 margin.

I don't care to know your dog. I would hope that you're not so stupid as to have an animal with a history of violence towards humans in your house (though given your post so far I can't be quite certain). In one of those articles I supplied you with you'd see that the thing about pit bulls is that in the majority of attacks those dogs had never exhibited violent behavior either. They snap once and the damage is done.

Now to your flat out ignorant comment about children in cars. My job is to keep my son safe. That means reducing the risk he will hurt himself. There are things I can't control, like how other people drive, the weather, etc... However, if it's something I can control then I make damned sure it's not inside my house. A loaded gun for example, or a dog with a history of killing people.

I made this comment earlier and it bears repeating, we used to have a girl who worked for us and she used to brag about how safe and nice her rott was. She said "its all in how you treat them" and then one day she comes in and tells us how her rott attacked her 14 yr old son out of the blue, no warning, just chomped down on his thigh. This is exactly what Darb describes.

[Drkraven]

People are pretty awful too, I am crying as I type this watching the story about a pitbull someone set on fire in the city today.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/19583287/detail.html

[effo5231]

People are pretty awful too, I am crying as I type this watching the story about a pitbull someone set on fire in the city today.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/19583287/detail.html

Don't worry, someone will justify this by pointing out how likely it is that the cruel son of a bitch who did it was probably defending themselves.

[Greg]

Don't worry, someone will justify this by pointing out how likely it is that the cruel son of a bitch who did it was probably defending themselves.
Nobody is going to defend this. And your response here shows a lot more about you and this thread than anybody else.

[Losac]

People are pretty awful too, I am crying as I type this watching the story about a pitbull someone set on fire in the city today.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/19583287/detail.html

Disgusting. People are the lowest, worst animals on this planet. We are the only ones who torture and kill other living things for fun.

[effo5231]

Nobody is going to defend this. And your response here shows a lot more about you and this thread than anybody else.

Except that earlier in this thread one poster claimed that every pit bull will inevitably attack a child or innocent bystander. In order for that statement to be true, said poster would have to assume that this dog either already attacked a child or was in the process of attacking a child when it was burned, seeing as how the poor dog is only going to live another couple of days.

[crazyraven]

Someone deliberately burned a puppy, it awful and despicable. Figures it would happen in Charm city. However its off topic and has nothing to do with when pit-bulls attack PEOPLE. Keep in mind there were also some good people who went out of their way to help the dog too.

The people who did this are cowards and should be shot.

[Dave Lap]

So I assume you don't put your child in your car then right? Because a child is roughly eleventy billion times more like to die as a result of a car accident then a pit bull attack.


Automobiles are a neccessity of life in todays society. How are you going to get along without one in a reasonable fashion?

How are you going to raise kids, take them to school, to play, on vacation, etc. etc. etc. if you never place them in an automobile? Using cars as transportation is a calculated risk that we take because we need cars to live our lives to a large extent: to go to work, to earn money, to provide for our family. That's why we risk our lives by traveling in cars.

Pit bulls can be dangerous animals, more so than other breeds. Formerly abused ones even more so. You are willing to risk you kids health and well being in order to have this pit bull in the house but there is no overwhelming reason why you should take this risk. It's not neccessary to your economic, social well being or that of your kids.

In short, there's no good reason I can see why anyone would expose their kids to the risk of having a potentially dangerous animal in the house when there is no upside to having one. If you want companionship, loyalty, love, etc from your pet then why not get one that is (far) less likely to inflict bodily harm to your children? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[Jeremiah W]

Automobiles are a neccessity of life in todays society. How are you going to get along without one in a reasonable fashion?

How are you going to raise kids, take them to school, to play, on vacation, etc. etc. etc. if you never place them in an automobile? Using cars as transportation is a calculated risk that we take because we need cars to live our lives to a large extent: to go to work, to earn money, to provide for our family. That's why we risk our lives by traveling in cars.

Pit bulls can be dangerous animals, more so than other breeds. Formerly abused ones even more so. You are willing to risk you kids health and well being in order to have this pit bull in the house but there is no overwhelming reason why you should take this risk. It's not neccessary to your economic, social well being or that of your kids.

In short, there's no good reason I can see why anyone would expose their kids to the risk of having a potentially dangerous animal in the house when there is no upside to having one. If you want companionship, loyalty, love, etc from your pet then why not get one that is (far) less likely to inflict bodily harm to your children? It just doesn't make sense to me.

They are great watchdogs. There has to be a large underminable amount of crimes that the dogs prevent. Maybe they save as many injuries and deaths as they cause. People cause a lot more harm to other people than these dogs do, and most people are not going to mess with someone who has one of those dogs, when they could mess with someone else who does not, and not get bit. I bet none of the recent home invasions happened where there was a pit bull.

[ravenmaniac]

The #1 deterrent to home invasion is the sound of a barking dog. You don't need one who bites to keep people out, just a loud one.

[Losac]

Chihuahuas and daschunds bite children too. They're just so small they usually don't do much harm. You always hear the pit bull maulings reported because they're so big and strong and usually do real damage.

[jonboy79]

The #1 deterrent to home invasion is the sound of a barking dog. You don't need one who bites to keep people out, just a loud one.

Hence the common theory that a pump action shotgun is the best home protection weapon... Cock it and you hear footsteps...

[effo5231]

Hence the common theory that a pump action shotgun is the best home protection weapon... Cock it and you hear footsteps...

Actually what you generally hear is the sound of a very scared burglar voiding his bladder.... then footsteps.:laugh:

[Mista T]

The #1 deterrent to home invasion is the sound of a barking dog. You don't need one who bites to keep people out, just a loud one.


Like this one (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-home-invasion0529,0,7510443.story)?


Couple robbed, dog killed in Elkton-area home invasion

The Associated Press
7:05 AM EDT, May 29, 2009

EKLTON - Maryland State Police said two masked gunman forced their way into an Elkton-area home early Wednesday, robbed a couple and killed their dog.

[ravenmaniac]

Like this one (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-home-invasion0529,0,7510443.story)?

Is there a point here?

[Losac]

Is there a point here?

Probably that a barking dog didn't do shit to deter this home invasion, and the dog ended up getting shot.

[ravenmaniac]

Probably that a barking dog didn't do shit to deter this home invasion, and the dog ended up getting shot.

Doesn't change the fact that a barking dog is the #1 preventive technique against burglaries and they don't have to be big or bite. BFD.

[Losac]

Doesn't change the fact that a barking dog is the #1 preventive technique against burglaries and they don't have to be big or bite. BFD.

And it didn't work in this case. That was T's point.

Got a stat to back that up, or is it just your opinion?

[RAVENOUS52]

You Ladies can argue back and forth about the merits/demerits of pit bull ownership all you want but the fact is folks are going to own them and all we can hope is that they are responsible enough to take the proper precautions to minimize whatever risks are involved with said ownership.

The bottom line is that they're ANIMALS.

We can't even predict HUMAN behavior, so doing the same with an animal seems doubtful at best.

Training, love and daily interaction with a pet only goes so far. There's still no telling when a human or animal is going to go all Mike Tyson on your ass and decide to bite your ear off.

My younger brother is still traumatized by poodles because he was attacked and bitten "between the wickets" by one when he was 8 years-old.

That doesn't mean that I'm headed to Beverly Hills to protest poodle ownership though... :grbac:

[Jeremiah W]

You Ladies can argue back and forth about the merits/demerits of pit bull ownership all you want but the fact is folks are going to own them and all we can hope is that they are responsible enough to take the proper precautions to minimize whatever risks are involved with said ownership.

The bottom line is that they're ANIMALS.

We can't even predict HUMAN behavior, so doing the same with an animal seems doubtful at best.

Training, love and daily interaction with a pet only goes so far. There's still no telling when a human or animal is going to go all Mike Tyson on your ass and decide to bite your ear off.

My younger brother is still traumatized by poodles because he was attacked and bitten "between the wickets" by one when he was 8 years-old.

That doesn't mean that I'm headed to Beverly Hills to protest poodle ownership though... :grbac:

In comparison pit bulls are less dangerous than owning say a chimp like the one who chewed his owners face off recently. Or like the guy who had the vegas show and was almost eaten by his pet tiger on stage.
Horses most likey cause as many serious injuries every year as pits but no one is trying to ban them.

[jonboy79]

And it didn't work in this case. That was T's point.

Got a stat to back that up, or is it just your opinion?

I'm not sure if it was his point, but the barking did nothing, and we don't know what would have happenned if that dog had bite...

[Drkraven]

Doesn't change the fact that a barking dog is the #1 preventive technique against burglaries and they don't have to be big or bite. BFD.UPS and the Postoffice have notes we own a vicious dog because Muffin barks loudly as soon as anyone hits our walk. A reserve mail carrier looked at my "vicious dog" and laughed, she sounds much worse then she is.:laugh: