View Full Version : OT / MD v. Duke
HoustonRaven
03-14-2009, 04:54 PM
Anyone else watching?
Paintballguy
03-14-2009, 05:03 PM
good game 32-30 duke at half time.
HoustonRaven
03-14-2009, 05:06 PM
a little concerned they were hitting 3's towards the end of the end of the half, but good showing thus far.
A win (or decent showing) today should be enough to get them to the dance -- and Gary in a job for another 1-2 years.
highwater
03-14-2009, 05:38 PM
I hope that a good showing today gets them in, but a win would seal it. I'm really surprised that they beat Wake Forest last night. That doesn't give them an invite, but at least they are back in the conversation.
Paintballguy
03-14-2009, 06:03 PM
yes this is not good. i think maryland will still get a tourney spot with a loss today. it has been a tight game.
RavenScallywag
03-14-2009, 06:14 PM
...AND it's over...nice try MD. I think they should get a low berth for NCAA tourney.
ravenjoe
03-14-2009, 06:24 PM
MEGA KUDOS to Gary and company! Once again, they demonstrated guts and determination in this tournament, and for that they should be well congratulated!
RAVENOUS52
03-14-2009, 07:19 PM
MEGA KUDOS to Gary and company! Once again, they demonstrated guts and determination in this tournament, and for that they should be well congratulated!
Like I said, Gary knows how to get the most out of limited talent.
But limited talent can only get you so far, so Gary has to make sure he snags some blue-chippers in the future.
Jeremiah W
03-14-2009, 07:21 PM
Give us the 1-16 rematch with non ACC refs and we will make history. F Duke and the refs.
RAVENOUS52
03-14-2009, 07:26 PM
Give us the 1-16 rematch with non ACC refs and we will make history. F Duke and the refs.
I sometimes believe that Coach K has a portfolio of photographs of nearly every ACC basketball official in sexually compromising positions, judging from the way they favor his teams whenever possible.:grbac:
Jeremiah W
03-14-2009, 07:47 PM
I sometimes believe that Coach K has a portfolio of photographs of nearly every ACC basketball official in sexually compromising positions, judging from the way they favor his teams whenever possible.:grbac:
Don Korleone has all the judges and officials in his pocket like lose change.
pyite32
03-14-2009, 07:53 PM
They played hard in the ACC tourney. Too bad with the loss to UVA we needed to at the minimum get to the final game to get an at large bid. NIT again...
RavensDomination
03-14-2009, 07:57 PM
They played hard in the ACC tourney. Too bad with the loss to UVA we needed to at the minimum get to the final game to get an at large bid. NIT again...
I agree, I'd be surprised if they made the tournament at this point. Duke just has more talent, Maryland played them tough today but Duke is just the better team. They always shoot the 3 ball well and consistently, something the Terps haven't done in a while.
Give us the 1-16 rematch with non ACC refs and we will make history. F Duke and the refs.
I unequivocally and wholeheartedly agree with you, for once!! ;)
edit: let me say that I don't think they'll win it all, I think they could make a nice run...
riprulz8
03-14-2009, 09:20 PM
They played hard in the ACC tourney. Too bad with the loss to UVA we needed to at the minimum get to the final game to get an at large bid. NIT again...
I'm not sure from where you're pulling this little nugget, but it has been widely discussed by analysts and commentators that MD's win over Wake and decent showing against Duke is enough to get them in the NCAAs.
Most people agreed that when the ACC tournament began, MD would need to win 2 games to stand a chance - NO ONE was saying they would need to make the finals at the very least.
I suppose stranger things have happened, and the Terps could still be snubbed, but there is a far greater chance that they make it IN at this point than not.
Beerracuda
03-14-2009, 10:41 PM
A lot of it depends on the other games, where a mediocre team pulls out some upsets and wins their conference tourney (see USC). Each team that does that eliminates a "bubble" team, which is what MD is.
If it was up to me, and I wasn't biased, I don't think I'd invite MD to the tourney. I mean, they had a 7-9 conference record. I would think a team would need to go at least 8-8 or better to stand a chance. Sure, they had some good upsets this year (UNC, Michigan St, Wake Forest), but they also lost to Virginia when they needed a win, and how in the hell do you lose to Morgan St??? To me, that loss to Morgan erases 2 of their "quality" wins.
I'm not saying that they won't get in. I'm just saying that in my opinion, they're just barely outside looking in.
BTW, I know Morgan won their tourney and an automatic bid. But they shouldn't beat an ACC team.
pyite32
03-15-2009, 08:27 AM
I'm not sure from where you're pulling this little nugget, but it has been widely discussed by analysts and commentators that MD's win over Wake and decent showing against Duke is enough to get them in the NCAAs.
Most people agreed that when the ACC tournament began, MD would need to win 2 games to stand a chance - NO ONE was saying they would need to make the finals at the very least.
I suppose stranger things have happened, and the Terps could still be snubbed, but there is a far greater chance that they make it IN at this point than not.
I am not pulling that nugget from anywhere. That is my opinion. I hope I am wrong, but I think that MD will not get an at large bid this year.
sdeclue
03-15-2009, 09:47 AM
Tough loss for the Terps, but they have nothing to be embarassed about. Heck of an effort down there and they played their way into the tournament.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1089-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m3d15-Terps-fall-to-Duke-6761
They made it!!!
#10 in the West Region. They'll play California in the first round.
Mwjergs
03-16-2009, 02:56 PM
I sometimes believe that Coach K has a portfolio of photographs of nearly every ACC basketball official in sexually compromising positions, judging from the way they favor his teams whenever possible.:grbac:
Best quote ever is a young Coach K complaining about how Dean Smith would always get the calls.
Unfortunatley it happens but Duke is also more talented that Maryland. Make more shots and the refs are taken out of the game. Build a better roster and you don't worry about officials.
RAVENOUS52
03-16-2009, 03:19 PM
Yeah, but the reality is the officiating isn't balanced when Duke is involved. That can be the difference in a close game, and often is.
HoustonRaven
03-17-2009, 08:44 AM
I was able to watch all three MD v. Duke games this year -- first time in a long time.
The officiating was not bad at all.
They have talent score board on us and that will never change until Gary gets off his duff and does a 2,000% better job of recruiting.
Can you imagine the dunasty we would have if you took Gary's coaching abilities and add that to more aggressive recruiting?
Jeremiah W
03-17-2009, 10:51 AM
I was able to watch all three MD v. Duke games this year -- first time in a long time.
The officiating was not bad at all.
They have talent score board on us and that will never change until Gary gets off his duff and does a 2,000% better job of recruiting.
Can you imagine the dunasty we would have if you took Gary's coaching abilities and add that to more aggressive recruiting?
Here is what is real bad about Duke games and the refs. They constantly violate 2 major rules on every single possesion. Hand checking and moving screens. Look closer and you will see them put the hand on the hip of almost every single dribbler, and they never set and screen properly.
FSU and other teams shut them down when they switch on the screens, but they are so blatanly moving screens, I can see the temptation to run through them for a while to try to get the call, but the problem is they nail every open 3, but do not have guys that get themselves open.
What really pisses me off watching the Duke games is not only what calls get made, but when. They start calling the hand checking and sending guys to the line that got mugged going to hole, once Duke has a big lead.
That is also why Duke is always getting upset in the NCAA because non ACC refs do not give them the game.
HoustonRaven
03-17-2009, 06:09 PM
That's like calling holding on every offensive play in football.
Duke's talent pool extends to players who are smart enough to know when and how to foul (and not foul) -- my second of only two problems with Gary.
If the Ref's were really in Duke's pocket, the NCAA would have commented on it, taken action, etc by now. More so than the pros, the college level is ALL about being fair.
Being objective about a team seems to be taboo so some blame it on the boogy-man of the Ref's when it has and always been about picking the best talent.
Jeremiah W
03-17-2009, 06:23 PM
That's like calling holding on every offensive play in football.
Duke's talent pool extends to players who are smart enough to know when and how to foul (and not foul) -- my second of only two problems with Gary.
If the Ref's were really in Duke's pocket, the NCAA would have commented on it, taken action, etc by now. More so than the pros, the college level is ALL about being fair.
Being objective about a team seems to be taboo so some blame it on the boogy-man of the Ref's when it has and always been about picking the best talent.
woah. answer me this then. Where does all that Duke majic go in the pros? They also seem to be as know for getting knocked off in the big dance as they do cutting down the nets with an all time goon squad, that still fizzed out in the NBA early but Laetner lingered on to be the big average guy in the NBA with no excuse other than he peaked early, or Duke is dirty.
If Reggie Miller could come off the kind of screens that Duke shooters do, he would have never missed. For some reason even the best Duke sharp shooters do not seem to get open in the NBA, because the screens are not like Lorenzo Neal llead blocks like the bigs for Duke lay out all game long. They are almost never completely set like the one Dave Neal leveled on Smith.
RAVENOUS52
03-17-2009, 06:37 PM
Duke's talent pool has nothing to do with Vasquez getting an offensive foul called against him in the second game when it was clear that Henderson fouled HIM. That was our best player fouled out on complete bullshit for those of you keeping score at home.
And yeah, I get it, you want Gary to recruit better. We all do.
But to say that the refs don't favor Duke is turning a blind eye to something that's been going on since the Hurley/Laettner days.
HoustonRaven
03-17-2009, 07:28 PM
Im sorry I just dont see it.
Yes, that has been "the talk" or the perception, but it's a kin to the curse of the Bambino.
Boston, for decades, favored the home run hitter over the pitching staff, all the while blaming some non-existent curse for their woes. I can go through any of the three Duke games this season and find fouls that Duke should have got their way. It cuts both ways.
MD fans are no different. When I was at CP, it was all you heard.
Yes, there are individual fouls that can be called as suspect -- but that's in every basketball game dating back to Dr. Naismith.