Now, Let's Talk Draft

[PurpleRulz]

1. I am estimating that we will pick 25th overall in the first round, but someone can confirm or come up with a better number, have at it.

2. This year's OL and RB crop looks unimpressive, so it looks like we could be looking defense with that first pick. My hope is that we either go CB, DE, or LB with that first pick. Players that would look great there are DE/LB Jarvis Moss, CB Brian Leonard, or CB Leon Hall. If Michael Bush is there in the second round, and he could be with his injury history, I would take him.

3. Someone on the scout board stated that we have two 2nd rounders. I have posted a question to Aaron Wilson and should hear back on that.


4. We should draft our QB of the future this year. If Brian Brohm is there in the first round, then I'd take him over the other mentioned players. Brohm could be one of those guys that shoot up the boards, ala Jay Cutler, so he may go in the top 15 after all is said and done. Maybe, Jemarcus Russell falls in the draft ala Aaron Rogers, but that would be hopeful thinking. Stay faaaaarrrrrrr away from Troy Smith. Troy Smith will go second day and in a late round like the 6th or 7th at best. I think he goes undrafted unless he changes positions.

5. We ought to pick up three OL in the mid rounds. Although this OL crop looks weak, who knows what will happen. We should draft two tackles and a interior OL prospect.

6. If we are as successful with this draft as we were with the past two, then I am not worried about our mini cap purge after 2008, which may not even happen.


Thoughts?

[4G63]

I think JeMarcus Russell would be fantastic...but he won't slip that far!

[camdenyard]

We won't draft 25, my guess was 29 or 30. I think it goes by best regular season record with the exception of the SB winner who drafts last.

Ozzie will always draft BPA, but I see our needs as CB, RB, LB, G/C and QB. Pittman is likely a bust and we can't count on him being around next year. I don't see Jamal taking a pay cut. I see him going to...Cleveland.

AD is as good as gone. Thanks for the memories, big guy. So we'll need linebacking help.

If JO retires (Somehow I think he won't as long as he's given a commitment that the run O is going to get a major talent infusion), then we'll need to draft OT to compete with Terry.

And we probably need a kick returner.

[PurpleRulz]

We won't draft 25, my guess was 29 or 30. I think it goes by best regular season record with the exception of the SB winner who drafts last.

Ozzie will always draft BPA, but I see our needs as CB, RB, LB, G/C and QB. Pittman is likely a bust and we can't count on him being around next year. I don't see Jamal taking a pay cut. I see him going to...Cleveland.

AD is as good as gone. Thanks for the memories, big guy. So we'll need linebacking help.

If JO retires (Somehow I think he won't as long as he's given a commitment that the run O is going to get a major talent infusion), then we'll need to draft OT to compete with Terry.

And we probably need a kick returner.

I am happy with BJ Sams as both KR/PR. I'll never complain about him again.

I did not know they still went according to team record. I thought the teams that are in the playoffs were ordered according to when they were eliminated. Let me know.

Can someone let me know about the extra 2nd rounder and where it came from?

As for AD, I agree and I have the perfect replacement if he's there in the first round: Jarvis Moss-DE from Florida. He is a Ravens-type player. Otherwise, I'd go CB or QB if Jemarcus Russell or Brian Brohm is there.

[Ravens0587]

We do not have 2 2nd rounders I believe his thinking was we trade back and pick up a 2nd rounder

[deuce]

Zero chance Russell is there unless he breaks his leg or gets charged with a felony before April. I would be shocked if he is not taken by the Raiders at #1. If not he wont get past 5.

I agree with PurpleRulz about Moss from FLA. He is a beast and definately a "Raven type player."

Other than that I am not up to speed on the draft. Certainly wasnt thinking that would be our focus today.

[Ravens0587]

I want Tyrone Moss along with Jarvis.

Tyrone to replace Jamal

[RavenFanatic2k6]

My thing is if we draft a DE, I want it to be a true DE, if we draft an OLB, I want it to be a true OLB. No more tweeners. Edit: Unless it's someone like AD that can "do it all"

I think RB and more team speed offensively is by far our biggest need. Not so much if we trade Mason and insert Williams into the starting lineup, but who knows if that will happen and we still need an explosive RB.

[LBoogy]

To say that this years OL crop is poor is a HUGE understatement.

At OT there's Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, Joe Staley, Ryan Harris, and Aaron Sears-- all potential STUDS in the NFL.

At OG there's Justin Blalock, who could be the best OL to come out in years. Sears may also project as an OG. There's also a few others (Beekman, Grubbs) who are solid prospects. Good depth guys should be available well after the first round.

OLB this year is solid, and Anthony Spencer (DE/OLB) from Purdue would be a solid pick in the first two rounds. Jarvis Moss is also intriguing. But you know who I'd love to replace AD with?

EARL EVERETT!!!

Productive and a freak of nature. He's tall (6'3'') and could use to gain another ten pounds, but he could start immediately.

CB is a need, and Josh Wilson, Fred Bennet, Aaron Ross, Daymeion Hughes, or Marcus McCauley could all fit the bill, and start off the bat. Although, I wouldn't give up hope on Prude, Martin, or Pittman. Any of those three could develop into starters in the NFL. Martin is a rare athlete, Pittman was a stud in college (give him time), and Prude was a diamond in the rough.

This years RB class is a bit thin, but Bush or Irons would be great pickups on the first day. Maybe Tony Hunt, but maybe Daniels will come through for us. I also think that Kenny Darby may be a big sleeper in the draft. Keep your eyes out for him on the second day; he might be a star on the right team.

This year it will come down to BPA, as it always does.

I'd like to see:
1. Michael Bush
2. Earl Everett/Anthony Spencer
3. Josh Wilson/Fred Bennett/Dameion Hughes

A QB would be a nice pickup (Brohm) if available, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Sephy]

My ideal draft:
1a Brohm
1b Marshawn Lynch
1c Michael Bush

2a Kenny Irons
2b Josh Wilson (probably a pipe dream)

3 CB/interior lineman

4 Troy Smith (assuming no QB earlier)

Absolutely no chance JaMarcus drops. Some people think Oakland will take him #2.

Marshawn Lynch would be phenomenal at RB. Brohm would be excellent as well. Irons would fit the power running personality.

My favorite draft is Lynch, Wilson, CB/OG, Troy Smith, or the dark horse: Kevin Kolb. He would have some work to do mainly working out of shotgun, but he is good in the pocket, quick, and has a nice arm.

The only problem with Troy Smith is his height. He has a strong arm, accuracy, leadership, speed, and pocket presence. He can be my QB any day.

[PurpleRulz]

I still say stay faaaarrrrr away from Troy Smith. He has Pam Anderson's chest written all over him.

[Sephy]

I still say stay faaaarrrrr away from Troy Smith. He has Pam Anderson's chest written all over him.

Really not much of an investment for a 4th rounder/5th.

Worst case scenario you spend a late round pick getting a typical unproductive player, best case you get a franchise QB. As I said, he's got all the tools.

[ExiledRaven]

Troy smith would be decent from the very end of the 2nd to the end of the 4th. If Smith is really there in the 4th, I don't see how he's not worth the pick. Yeah yeah, not great in one big game, but he's been unreal in lots of other big games. I think he's viable and not nearly as bad as people say. I'm not saying get him, but it's an option.

Also, there is Chris Leak in the 4th-5th. Kid played really well with the short passing game and he's got a bloody cannon for an arm. That's something else to check out. Did very well in the "throw the ball all over the field" passing game.

We have lots of options...think about a RB...lynch might fall, bush may be around there (and he can catch out of the backfield! even though jamal's improved we need to work with things on that).

Brohm might be there. Stanton in the later rounds.

Think we'll be looking LB (if AD leaves), QB, RB in the first day. I wouldn't be surprised by OL or a CB as well.


I just hope we get someone with all the tools for the QB of the future. Boller might not have been excellent or anything, but his ability to put that ball up to D-Will and Clayton when he came in the second time. Imagine how much that opens up the offense.

[HDDream]

1. I am estimating that we will pick 25th overall in the first round, but someone can confirm or come up with a better number, have at it.

I'm almost certain the Ravens will be picking 29th, with the Chargers at 30, followed by the two Super Bowl teams.


Players that would look great there are DE/LB Jarvis Moss, CB Brian Leonard, or CB Leon Hall.

Although he's a great prospect, Brian Leonard is a fullback.

As far as some others, Brian Brohm, if he comes out, will likely be gone by the 15th pick. A more realistic option would be Colt Brennan. Otherwise, you're probably looking at Kevin Kolb, Trent Edwards or Drew Staton (who scares the hell out of me) in the 2nd or 3rd round. I'm still not sure on Troy Smith one way or the other, but I will say this much about him- his record in big games was stellar before that game against Florida.

I tend to agree with RavenFanatic that more speed on offense and an explosive running back is probably the biggest need as we sit right now. I really think you might start to see them hone in on Marshawn Lynch and make a move up to get him if he falls to around 20 or so. Michael Bush and Kenny Irons are other names to keep an eye on as well. Obviously, a lot depends on what happens between now and then, though.

[Sephy]

If we ended up in this draft with Brohm and Bush/Irons or Lynch and Troy Smith I'd just about piss myself with glee.

[UKRavenStockers]

In round one we're in almost the ideal position where RBs are tending to fall for recent years, though a fair few teams ahead of us I can see picking up backs.

If Chris Chester slides inside to centre then I'm all for picking up Justin Blalock to play RG and then I think we're just looking for depth behind a line of Terry, Brown, Chester, Blalock and Pashos for the future.

At CB I'm intrigued where we go, Pittman can no way be pronounced as a bust yet, he's a first year guy out of a small school, he's got the talent but it just takes time for these kids from small schools to come through. I'd not be surprised to see us go through FA for corner and wait on Pittman who I'm sure I've heard De Costa comment a couple of times on how highly he rates him.

Clearly we will be looking at QBs and one for round 2 that I really hope we take a long look at is Trent Edwards of Stanford. Never had a lot of talent around him down there but he has all the tools and when in the pros with more talent around him he won't have to force things and should flourish in the pros.

[Art-Florida]

I'm a certified hugger, but you don't pass up a bargain, and Kyle can use some competition down the road. Colt Brennan strikes me as a good way to provide that. I was unable to locate a good profile on him, so here's a brief blurb...
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"Brennan joined Hawaii in 2005 and quickly grabbed the starting spot at quarterback. He started 10 of 12 games, the only games he did not start being against USC and San Diego State. Brennan either tied or broke 11 UH offensive records in what was a wildly successful first season with the Warriors. Brennan led the country in total offense yards (4,455) and touchdowns thrown (35). His 4,301 yards passing is the eighth-most in Western Athletic Conference history. Against New Mexico State (Oct. 15), Brennan posted career-high numbers in passing yards (515), touchdowns (7), and pass completions (38). He also had nine 300+ yard performances on the season, including four 400+ yard games and a 515-yard performance.

Brennan entered the 2006 NCAA Division I-A football season as the undisputed starter at quarterback, was named to multiple award watch lists and was voted the WAC's preseason offensive player of the year. He led the nation in scoring and passing efficiency, finishing the regular season with a 182.8 rating, and completed 72.15% of his passes, the best mark in Division I-A.

During the regular season, Brennan passed for 53 touchdowns, one shy of the NCAA Division I-A single-season touchdown record of 54 (set in 1990 by David Klingler of The University of Houston). On December 24, 2006, at the Hawaii Bowl, Brennan threw for 5 touchdowns to break the record. (Stats accumulated during the post season now count towards records).[3] The Warriors finished the regular season with a 11-3 record, placing second in the WAC behind Boise State.

Brennan finished sixth in the 2006 Heisman race, behind winner Troy Smith, Darren McFadden, Brady Quinn, Steve Slaton, and Mike Hart.[4] During the regular season, Colt Brennan threw for 4,990 yards, 53 touchdowns, and the highest passer efficiency in America. Should Brennan return for his senior season, he is expected to be a top contender for the 2007 Heisman.[5] According to Hawaii's coach June Jones, "Colt is a money guy. Colt is what I said he is: the best college quarterback in America, and he proved it tonight." [6] Brennan plans to submit his name to the NFL's underclassman advisory committee to gauge where pro scouts and personnel directors project he'd be selected in the NFL Draft.[1] Brennan is currently 50-50 on whether he will declare for the draft.[7] He has scheduled a press conference on January 15, 2007 to announce his decision on whether to turn professional.

[PurpleRulz]

Colt Brennan is an intriguing QB prospect, but I have heard he is just a product of the Hawaii system and inferior competition. I suspect that if we drafted Colt, there will be Colt huggers and Colt haters. Plus the first name would really spark talk around here.


What is the issue with Drew Stanton?

As far as OL is concerned, Viv and bulldog talked about how there is not much available at OL outside of Justin Blalock and he could go in the mid rounds. They also mentioned that the RB class is not great outside of Lynch and Peterson (if he comes out) and Bush.

I still say to go DE/LB or CB with that first pick unless someone falls.

[ExiledRaven]

Colt Brennan is going back to school (3rd year) and will likely be the top QB prospect in the '08 draft

[PurpleRulz]

Colt Brennan is a junior and has not decided whether he is returning for his senior season. Returning to school cost Leinart millions, so I doubt Brennan makes that same mistake.

[UKRavenStockers]

Brennan is not a top prospect. He'd be insane to come out this year just to go in the middle rounds and sit for an eternity. He should go back to Hawai'i, break some more records, have a ton of fun and then let the Draft happen for him. He's not gonna be a top prospect next year either in all likelihood.

Brohm going back to school is interesting and barring a bad year next year he'll be a first round prospect next year and one of the top QBs.

[PurpleRulz]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6370448

Brohm is returning for his senoir season. Bad idea.

[ExiledRaven]

I got bored and surfed up some mocks....I agree, bad idea for Brohm. He'll be a 1st rounder and the new regime could destroy his draft status.

Here are the top few guys that are getting pegged to us
The big Five
1) Michael Bush RB:
1a) Troy Smith QB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhDt75OXfc0
2) Kenny Irons RB Auburn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQDpmwxbIeI&mode=related&search=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9166443853180617087&q=%22kenny+irons%22&hl=en
3) Buster Davis ILB Florida:
4) Quentin Moses DE Georgia

Random other guys
Lamarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan
Ryan Kalil C USC
Drew Stanton QB Mich St.
Joe Stanley OT C. Mich.
Justin Blalock OG/OT Texas
Arron Sears OT Tenn.
Lawrence Timmons OLB FL.
Mkristo Bruce, DE Washington State
Levi Brown OT Penn. St.
Marshawn Lynch RB Cal.


So seems that we're getting pegged for OT/RB/QB.
I'd flip out if Lynch was around at pick 28/29.....Bush I think would be a great addition to this sqaud. Bush-Anderson is a great combination.

[HDDream]

Brohm probably wouldn't have gone ahead of Russell or Quinn in this draft, but he instantly becomes one of the favorites to be the No. 1 overall pick in 2008. Staying in school was not a bad idea at all.

Brennan isn't the typical Hawaii QB, he has a good arm, can make all the throws has good mobility and good poise. He's a very good prospect and depending on his workouts, he'll go anywhere from the late 1st to the late 2nd. Brohm not being in the draft only helps his draft ranking.

The biggest issue with Stanton is inconsistency. One time you'll see him and think that he's better than any of the QBs in this draft, Quinn and Russell included. Other times, he come off as be being no better than an undrafted free agent.

[PurpleRulz]

Random stuff:

1. Here is some info on Kenny Irons from scout.com.

"League scouts are keen to watch running back Kenny Irons this year. A quick ball-carrier who shows a burst through hole, Irons immediately gets into the clearing and can run to daylight if given a small amount of open space. What excites scouts is the way Irons improved on a weekly basis last year. Irons lacks classic size yet offers first round talent. Courtney Taylor is a consistent "


2. The more I think of our current CB depth, the less likely I see our first pick being a CB. It depends on what they still think of Pittman despite Pittman's poor work ethic. If we do draft a CB in the first round, then that spells the end to Pittman.


3. I would look at even adding YES another WR in this draft. Here me out. Darling and Moore are both RFAs and I doubt either will be back. That leaves us with Clayton, Williams, and Mason. We will need to add at least two WRs even if we keep Darling around. I will look up some WR prospects and , don't cringe, I would entertain giving Charles Rogers a try out. I would also think about signing Kelley Washington who is a UFA.

[ExiledRaven]

The more video I see, the more I think Kenny Irons is a better choice for us compared to Bush. Hits the hole fast, breaks tackles....can he catch is going to be the big concern. If he can't, then all of that doesn't matter...not looking really great though.

PROS
Irons has good speed, and runs very hard. Has great vision and hits the whole hard. For a smaller sized running back he fights very hard and does not give up after the first hit.

CONS
Had a down senior year. A little small for a running back and needs to put on some more weight. Needs to work on catching out of the backfield.

Strengths:
Displays good vision and instincts and is a natural runner...Is more quick than fast...Patient but he will explode through the hole when it opens...Will run with authority and plays like a much bigger back...Good athleticism and the agility to change directions...Is dangerous in space and will run away from people...Gets the most out of every run...Doesn't have a lot of mileage on his tires...You simply can't ignore the history his school has of sending guys at his position to the pros.

Weaknesses:
Timed speed is only average...He does not have the type of size, strength or bulk you'd prefer...Appears to have okay hands but his experience as a receiver in the passing game is limited...Does his best as a blocker but is only adequate and will get overwhelmed...Ball security is an issue...Was hurt a lot in '06 and durability is a concern...Has to keep his pad level down...Does not break a ton of tackles and won't run people over...Did not have the senior campaign most were expecting.

[UKRavenStockers]

1) Troy Smith - No thank you, not until day two, he just isn't a first rounder by any stretch of the imagination. Florida game against top talent in a big game hurts him, his measurables are poor as well and he has character issues as well. Fair enough thinking he'll be good, but he ain't first round material and you don't draft on gut instinct, certainly don't reach that far.

2) Getting some games of Arron Sears, Joe Staley, Justin Blalock, Lamar Woodley and Quentin Moses soon so will be able to give a stronger opinion on them in a couple of weeks or so.

3) Keep an eye on Anthony Spencer of Purdue. Good hand down DE but also shows pretty good versatility and athleticism as well.

[ExiledRaven]

To be honest, for QB I'd love to get Chris Leak in round 4....I agree about spencer...depends on AD.

I can also see a Franchise Tag and trade of AD, we'd be able to get a 3rd in trade certainly, and teams like the 49ers have tons of cap space and need defensive playmakers.

[Fanman]

We need a new RB in a big way. Jamal just can't do enough to make the offense dynamic. I would be happy w/ a rookie/Mike Anderson rotation. I am sick of Jamal and is tippy toes. All he can do is move the chains on a 50/50 basis. His RB type is a dinosaur in the NFL....just look around the league.
Smaller, quicker RBs that can catch on the run and turn the corner are the norm.

FM

[PurpleRulz]

Adrian Peterson has declared for the draft. This is the guy I want and I think he will be there around 29. Teams will be scared of his injury to take him high in the first round. I think Lynch goes before Peterson. I would take either Peterson or Michael Bush and pair him with either Jamal or Mike Anderson.

[ExiledRaven]

If peterson gets past pick 15 I will officially crap my pants and post a picture assuming nothing changes between now and the draft, I'd be completely shocked, but we also thought Suggs would never be around for us either.

This draft is going to be critical for either one last run or filling in talent to be able to go forward with a new core (eg, new QB/RB)

[UKRavenStockers]

Peterson available at 29? What in the blue hell are you smoking? He's a top 5 pick, top 10 at the absolute worst, he's a great all-round back. Those injuries he's got aren't wear and tear injuries and won't scare anyone away. No way he falls to us.

[PurpleRulz]

Colt Brennan has declared for the draft. This is THE guy I want as oru QB of the future.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/football/bal-draft0115,0,3136761.story?coll=bal-sports-more

[ExiledRaven]

i agree, if he's there, he's our man hands down.

I LOVED watching that bowl game. Bad 1st half, then puts up crazy numbers and a WR gets 300+ yards receiving.

Things to note:
1 ~ 72%+ completion percentage. System or not, that says someone makes the right reads.
2 ~ he can move in the pocket and make plays with his legs, something needed in the Ravens offense.
3 ~ makes all the throws...

I'm looking for some highlights...I'll post when I find them

[BIG J]

I WOULD GET SOMEONE TO REPLACE BART SCOTT CAUSE HE TALKED ALOT SHIT AND DID NOTHING AGIANST MY BELOVED COLTS "HOT SAUCE"

[UKRavenStockers]

If you're impressed by him carving up that stellar Arizona State D, wait till you see what he did to the stout Idaho defense.

Don't get this decision by Brennan, he may be striking whilst the iron is hottest, but seriously, he's not a great pro prospect (not a great arm and is very slight) and if I were in his shoes I'd go back to Hawai'i, break some more records, have a ton of fun in the process and then worry about the NFL when I have to.

[PurpleRulz]

If you're impressed by him carving up that stellar Arizona State D, wait till you see what he did to the stout Idaho defense.

Don't get this decision by Brennan, he may be striking whilst the iron is hottest, but seriously, he's not a great pro prospect (not a great arm and is very slight) and if I were in his shoes I'd go back to Hawai'i, break some more records, have a ton of fun in the process and then worry about the NFL when I have to.

I disagree. His arm looked good enough to me, and he is very accurate, something that can't be taught. (Just ask Boller).

This is a guy I'd take in the 2nd round and sit him behind McNair and Boller.

[ExiledRaven]

Hawaii bowl ~ He's got the arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GUMH5hQXHQ

[PurpleRulz]

They say his size (6-3, 198lbs) would keep him out of the first round, so he won't be a 1st rounder. I would take him in the second round and let him grow into his frame.

[UKRavenStockers]

When is this fanbase ever patient enough to let someone develop as they need?

People were calling Terry a bust after his rookie year for being unable to play RT (even though he was never going to be able to and we knew that when he was drafted). People are calling Pittman a bust after his rookie year even though he's a small school guy who needs time to learn more complex schemes and coverages and to adjust to a level of football way above what he last played at.

It's all well and good saying 'let him develop' 'let him grow into his frame' but I just don't trust that this fan base will sit and wait on a 2nd round pick.

[ExiledRaven]

Whatever QB we take this year sits until '08 unless Mac9 is carted off the field and Boller is carted off the field...well, most likely.

I also like the idea of a DE/LB like Spencer or a RB.

It's a long long time until draft day, lots of things can happen

[PurpleRulz]

When is this fanbase ever patient enough to let someone develop as they need?

People were calling Terry a bust after his rookie year for being unable to play RT (even though he was never going to be able to and we knew that when he was drafted). People are calling Pittman a bust after his rookie year even though he's a small school guy who needs time to learn more complex schemes and coverages and to adjust to a level of football way above what he last played at.

It's all well and good saying 'let him develop' 'let him grow into his frame' but I just don't trust that this fan base will sit and wait on a 2nd round pick.

I hear you, but that is how everyone's fanbase is: impatient. The great thing is that Ozzie does not run our organization based on our feelings, and that's what makes Ozzie the best GM in football.

[Sephy]

1) Brennan is a really nice player. He definitely has the raw skills, but he will need to learn a pro offense. Not just another Hawaii QB.

2) Peterson at 29, now that is funny. The dude is going to be a top 10 pick.

3) Troy Smith had character issues a long, long time ago. They shouldn't effect his chances today.

4) Can't make a choice based on how you gauge a fanbase. Most popular guy in any football town is the backup QB. QBs need to sit at least one season.

[PurpleRulz]

Can someone provide insight into RB-Antonio Pittman, what kind of prospect is he, and where he projects to go.

[UKRavenStockers]

As with anything right now it's very early but common consensus is round 2 or 3. Solid back, nothing flash.

[donnaj]

The more video I see, the more I think Kenny Irons is a better choice for us compared to Bush. Hits the hole fast, breaks tackles....can he catch is going to be the big concern. If he can't, then all of that doesn't matter...not looking really great though.

PROS
Irons has good speed, and runs very hard. Has great vision and hits the whole hard. For a smaller sized running back he fights very hard and does not give up after the first hit.

CONS
Had a down senior year. A little small for a running back and needs to put on some more weight. Needs to work on catching out of the backfield.

Strengths:
Displays good vision and instincts and is a natural runner...Is more quick than fast...Patient but he will explode through the hole when it opens...Will run with authority and plays like a much bigger back...Good athleticism and the agility to change directions...Is dangerous in space and will run away from people...Gets the most out of every run...Doesn't have a lot of mileage on his tires...You simply can't ignore the history his school has of sending guys at his position to the pros.

Weaknesses:
Timed speed is only average...He does not have the type of size, strength or bulk you'd prefer...Appears to have okay hands but his experience as a receiver in the passing game is limited...Does his best as a blocker but is only adequate and will get overwhelmed...Ball security is an issue...Was hurt a lot in '06 and durability is a concern...Has to keep his pad level down...Does not break a ton of tackles and won't run people over...Did not have the senior campaign most were expecting.

All these great comments are true, but I would bet that Irons is not on Ozzie's draft board. He will find something wrong with him. Do a little research - in Ozzie's entire career he has NEVER drafted a player from Auburn. No matter how great the talent (ahem - we took Pittman over Marcus McNeil remember) They will find something wrong with him and find a reason for the Alabama guy not to find anything good coming out of Auburn

[52decleetzu]

All these great comments are true, but I would bet that Irons is not on Ozzie's draft board. He will find something wrong with him. Do a little research - in Ozzie's entire career he has NEVER drafted a player from Auburn. No matter how great the talent (ahem - we took Pittman over Marcus McNeil remember) They will find something wrong with him and find a reason for the Alabama guy not to find anything good coming out of Auburn

Marcus Mcneil was picked with the 50th overall pick in the 2nd round,while David Pittman was pick 87 in the 3rd round

Ozzie Newsome is employed by the Ravens and his job is to bring in the BEST players regardless of what school they went to,and so far he has done a pretty good job doing so.

I doubt he would let a bias come in to play especially in the first round of the draft.

[PurpleRulz]

I need to clear something up. I originally posted that we would be picking 29th, but that is incorrect.

Our official draft position is 27th with SD at 28. This information comes from draft.com, the official site for the various drafts.

Sorry guys.

[Daskcool]

Depending on what San Diego does with Michael Turner I would just assume trade our first round pick to them rather than use it to draft a running back.

[mavhimself]

i've heard the michael turner rumors, not sure what we would have to give up to get him but he's probably better than any other back we could get at that spot.

[PurpleRulz]

I have been reading through the nfldraftcountdown data base, and I have to say that I am not really impressed with this 2007 draft crop. I would have to really think about a Michael Turner for our first rounder deal.

[ExiledRaven]

I'll agree on that one....which is why you might see us picking an OT/OG or some kind of olb/de tweener or a traditional LB. They tend to get overlooked.

[Sephy]

I'm pretty sure our first round pick will either be a RB, a OG that is READY like Blalock, or trade down. Unless someone with crazy talent falls. I don't think we can get a starter at 27 at CB.

[festivus]

I'm pretty sure our first round pick will either be a RB, a OG that is READY like Blalock, or trade down. Unless someone with crazy talent falls. I don't think we can get a starter at 27 at CB.
The two times I remember us picking at the end of the first round, we took guys with crazy talent who had fallen. Ed Reed, Todd Heap.

I expect this year will be the same; give me someone with crazy talent, any position.

[Ravens0587]

I'm pretty sure our first round pick will either be a RB, a OG that is READY like Blalock, or trade down. Unless someone with crazy talent falls. I don't think we can get a starter at 27 at CB.


The two times I remember us picking at the end of the first round, we took guys with crazy talent who had fallen. Ed Reed, Todd Heap.

I expect this year will be the same; give me someone with crazy talent, any position.

1996 #26 Baltimore Ray Lewis MLB Miami
2001 #31 Baltimore Todd Heap TE Arizona State
2002 #24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami
2005 #22 Baltimore Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma

I love Michael Turner but honestly I would be more inclined to giving the pick up if it was in the 10-19 range. That's where we draft the Travis Taylors, Duane Starks, and Kyle Bollers of the world. In the 1-10 and 20-32 range they are money,,,,,,,

[Sephy]

Hey, it can happen, it has before. Those all happened to be need positions as well.

I just wonder if we'll see any at our true need positions there. Namely OL, CB, and RB.

[Ravens0587]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17lK3Z4_a0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5kA59Xnhew

I want him, no one expected steven jackson to fall as far as he did or Larry Johnson. It's official this is the guy I want as our pick.

As I watch him outrun people to the corner I keep saying/thinking to myself, Damn If only Jamal could have done that a few times this year how different things would have been......

[darb72]

I don't think we should draft an offensive lineman in the first round unless it's just a monster pick that we have to make (If the Blaylock kid is as good as everyone thinks he is for example).

I'd probably be willing to give up my first rounder to the Chargers for Turner if we could get their second or third rounder as well. In a draft like this, there isn't much difference outside of the top 10 so filling a need and keeping another first day pick is a great plan.

Now would the Chargers do this? I kind of doubt it, though it would help both teams. Unless I'm mistaken Turner is a FA next year and the Chargers could really use someone outside of Gates/Tomlinson to throw the ball to. With two first rounders they could pick up a WR and a DB (another area they need help in). Of course they could also package Turner and their first rounder to a team in the top 10 and get a stud.

[Sephy]

I like Marshawn a LOT. If he dropped, that pick is an absolute no brainer.

[Sephy]

His freshman highlights are even more impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y&mode=related&search=

You can see how he's a weapon in the passing game as well, screen and real patterns.

[PurpleRulz]

I am liking this QB prospect to groom behind McNair:

Drew Stanton

Strengths:
Has good size and a solid frame...Arm strength is excellent...Is a terrific all-around athlete who can move in the pocket, throw on the run and hurt defenses with his feet...Displays good accuracy, touch and timing...Is smart and a good leader with top intangibles...A gunslinger who is very competitive and tough...Can take over and dominate a game when he is on...Still has quite a bit of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Is wildly inconsistent...Doesn't handle pressure well...Has a lot of mental lapses and will take too many chances...Has battled injuries throughout his career and durability is a big question...Will need to adjust to a pro-style offense...Throwing mechanics and footwork will need work...Too eager to run...Opens himself up to big hits...Stares down his target...Has a long memory & bad plays stay with him.

Notes:
Has all the physical tools you look for but doesn't always play up to them...Tore his ACL while covering a punt in 2003...Looked like a potential high first round pick prior to his senior year but, like his Spartan team, he really struggled at times in 2006...Classic boom or bust type who looks like an elite prospect one game and an undrafted free agent the next...Could be a great starter in the NFL but for that to happen he'll have to develop some consistency and cut down on the mistakes

[PurpleRulz]

His freshman highlights are even more impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y&mode=related&search=

You can see how he's a weapon in the passing game as well, screen and real patterns.

The nfldraftcountdown website has him going 15th in their mock to the Steelers, but why would they need him when they have Willie Parker as well as more pressing needs?

I also looked at the draft positions and the teams ahead of us don't really have a pressing need for RB, so I can see Marshawn Lynch falling to us at 27.

[festivus]

1996 #26 Baltimore Ray Lewis MLB Miami
2001 #31 Baltimore Todd Heap TE Arizona State
2002 #24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami
2005 #22 Baltimore Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma

:embarassed:

I thought Reed was later than that.


I'd probably be willing to give up my first rounder to the Chargers for Turner if we could get their second or third rounder as well.
Concerning Turner I think we are waiting to see what RFA offer he gets from San Diego.

It won't be a trade, as in, they give us a third and Turner for our first, it would be a free agent signing where, because the player is a restricted free agent, the signing team is required by NFL rules to give either (a) a first rounder, or (b) a first rounder *and* a third rounder, depending on how much the player's *current* team is offering.

[Mobtown]

Marshawn Lynch would be phenomenal at RB.




The nfldraftcountdown website has him going 15th in their mock to the Steelers, but why would they need him when they have Willie Parker as well as more pressing needs?

I also looked at the draft positions and the teams ahead of us don't really have a pressing need for RB, so I can see Marshawn Lynch falling to us at 27.

Lynch can also take PR/KO duties if asked, maybe as a more realistic back up to Sams.

I would love for this guy to fall to us...but I just don't see it happening.

[Fanman]

If our first pick is NOT a RB I will be ticked. This "best player available" deal is just not always the way to go IMO. RB is the biggest weakness on the offense and needs to be addressed ASAP. I would even trade our first round pick to SD for Michael Turner.

FM

[PurpleRulz]

Lynch can also take PR/KO duties if asked, maybe as a more realistic back up to Sams.

I would love for this guy to fall to us...but I just don't see it happening.


I know this will sound very crappy, but I am hoping for a bad Combine performance or even low Wonderlick score, or some B.S. that will drop him to our range. Remember how Vince Young's Wonderlick score almost dropped him? Had it not been for the Tits ignoring that, Young may dropped into the teens.

Again, I know this sounds crappy, but so much is made of Combine performances. Give me the game tape.

Ask Broderick Bunkley.:rolling:

[PurpleRulz]

If our first pick is NOT a RB I will be ticked. This "best player available" deal is just not always the way to go IMO. RB is the biggest weakness on the offense and needs to be addressed ASAP. I would even trade our first round pick to SD for Michael Turner.

FM

On WNST, Drew and Casey talked about our draft philosophy has changed a little. Look for our first pick to not simply to be "BPA", but it will be the "best player available" that is "ready now." Don't look for any two or three year projects this coming draft. The Ravens will draft as many "ready-now" players in each round as they can. Marshawn Lynch fits that "ready now" description. So does Michael Bush.

This based from the success we found with Dawan Landry, who was described by Decosta as a player with the maturity to step in immediately and play.

Getting back to RB, so far the only RBs I am impressed with are Lynch, Peterson, and Bush. Kenny Irons is playing in the Senior Bowl, so I'll keep an eye on him.

Garrett Wolfe is also playing, but in one scouting report, he is described as "not intelligent." I'd pass on him.

[Sephy]

I am liking this QB prospect to groom behind McNair:

Drew Stanton

Strengths:
Has good size and a solid frame...Arm strength is excellent...Is a terrific all-around athlete who can move in the pocket, throw on the run and hurt defenses with his feet...Displays good accuracy, touch and timing...Is smart and a good leader with top intangibles...A gunslinger who is very competitive and tough...Can take over and dominate a game when he is on...Still has quite a bit of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Is wildly inconsistent...Doesn't handle pressure well...Has a lot of mental lapses and will take too many chances...Has battled injuries throughout his career and durability is a big question...Will need to adjust to a pro-style offense...Throwing mechanics and footwork will need work...Too eager to run...Opens himself up to big hits...Stares down his target...Has a long memory & bad plays stay with him.

Notes:
Has all the physical tools you look for but doesn't always play up to them...Tore his ACL while covering a punt in 2003...Looked like a potential high first round pick prior to his senior year but, like his Spartan team, he really struggled at times in 2006...Classic boom or bust type who looks like an elite prospect one game and an undrafted free agent the next...Could be a great starter in the NFL but for that to happen he'll have to develop some consistency and cut down on the mistakes

All of his weaknesses are exactly Kyle's weaknesses. Don't know if I want to draft a project like that again.

[PurpleRulz]

All of his weaknesses are exactly Kyle's weaknesses. Don't know if I want to draft a project like that again.


True, but maybe sitting him behind a Steve McNair instead of throwing Stanton to the wolves, as they did Boller, will yield different/better results.

[festivus]

I doubt they will draft a qb out of this year's draft class. Maybe in a year where there are 4 or so first rounders, and the right one falls to wherever we are drafting. Like a Mark Clayton, but at quarterback.

[Bez513]

Anyone who doesn't think we need a RB is crazy. I don't think Jamal will be back. Musa has a list of injuries. That leaves MA and PJ Daniels. Watching the games this weekend I was impressed with Thomas Jones. Since the Bears have Cedric Benson he may be a cap casualty. I just like the fact he hits the hole....no Jamal dancing. That's the type of player I want in either the draft or FA.

[Ravens0587]

I know this will sound very crappy, but I am hoping for a bad Combine performance or even low Wonderlick score, or some B.S. that will drop him to our range. Remember how Vince Young's Wonderlick score almost dropped him? Had it not been for the Tits ignoring that, Young may dropped into the teens.

Again, I know this sounds crappy, but so much is made of Combine performances. Give me the game tape.

Ask Broderick Bunkley.

Well I don't want to judge people but ummm................ummmmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXbOmiOvte4

[Sephy]

Well I don't want to judge people but ummm................ummmmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXbOmiOvte4

Well, he's not in Mensa or eloquent like Cicero or anything, but it really doesn't matter.

[Ravens0587]

O i realize that and im praying we get him, someone stated that maybe a low wonderlik score could drop him and ummmmm I was hoping ummmmm he would umm drop to us so we could umm draft him

[UKRavenStockers]

Can't remember whether I mentioned Trent Edwards earlier or not as a QB to watch out for to rise, but that may not be the case, I'm not sure whether he'll be able to workout with his bust ankle, and if he can't that leaves him dead in the water for rising in my opinion.

However my latest QB to watch out for to show well in workouts is John Beck of BYU. I really liked him this year at BYU and workouts will be a real chance for him to show that he's not just a workout warrior.

[PurpleRulz]

Some FYI, Ravens talked to CB-Aaron Ross at Senior Bowl today. There are issues with Justin Blalock's injury.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=118&p=2&c=612080

Strengths:
Great athlete with fluid hips...Has an almost ideal blend of size and bulk...Leaper with very good hands and ball skills...Playmaker with a knack for being in the right place...Gives a solid effort in run support and is a pretty powerful hitter...He plays faster than he times and has top recovery speed...Elusive in the open field and is also an excellent return man...Relatively productive despite limited opportunities.

Weaknesses:
Does not have a ton of starting experience...Is not very physical and needs to get stronger...May not have elite timed speed...Is raw in terms of his technique and footwork...Will miss some tackles at times...Instincts are questionable...Gambles and take too many risks...Gives big cushions...Was he simply a one-year wonder?

Notes:
Recipient of the Thorpe Award as college football's top defensive back...Did not become a starter until his senior year...It's hard to believe this guy was a nickel and dime back for most of his college career but that's what happens when you play with the likes of Michael Huff, Cedric Griffin, Nathan Vasher, Michael Griffin and Tarell Brown...Saw his stock soar this past year and quickly bypassed Brown as the Longhorns top corner...An intriguing prospect who is definitely on the rise.

[ExiledRaven]

Know what the issues are PR?

Interesting since the CB isn't even on a list yet...but seems like a Ravens guy. Samari might be out if we draft a CB day one if pittman or prude don't totally bite...then again that might be a sign they do.

Check out the 2007 mock projection trends page here:
http://www.profootball24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4083

Yes, I am pimping my own thread...sorry, but everyone asked for me :)

[PurpleRulz]

Know what the issues are PR?

From the scout article


"Justin Blalock’s left knee was heavily wrapped today at practice. When asked about the injury he stated that he has suffered from a sprained MCL against Kansas St. in late November. He also mentioned it does effect his overall play, but at this point it is more of a mental issue than a physical one"

[UKRavenStockers]

For those interested, Day One Practice highlights on now from the Senior Bowl on NFL Network. Live Day Two practices will be on at 10.30 EST.

Practices are more important than the game at the Senior Bowl, so it's worth a look in.

[Mobtown]

Well, he's not in Mensa or eloquent like Cicero or anything, but it really doesn't matter.


Cal (Go Bears!) is the best public school in the nation and Lynch caries a 3.4 GPA. He may not be a Mensa member, but he is no dummy.

[UKRavenStockers]

I am liking this QB prospect to groom behind McNair:

Drew Stanton

Strengths:
Has good size and a solid frame...Arm strength is excellent...Is a terrific all-around athlete who can move in the pocket, throw on the run and hurt defenses with his feet...Displays good accuracy, touch and timing...Is smart and a good leader with top intangibles...A gunslinger who is very competitive and tough...Can take over and dominate a game when he is on...Still has quite a bit of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Is wildly inconsistent...Doesn't handle pressure well...Has a lot of mental lapses and will take too many chances...Has battled injuries throughout his career and durability is a big question...Will need to adjust to a pro-style offense...Throwing mechanics and footwork will need work...Too eager to run...Opens himself up to big hits...Stares down his target...Has a long memory & bad plays stay with him.

Notes:
Has all the physical tools you look for but doesn't always play up to them...Tore his ACL while covering a punt in 2003...Looked like a potential high first round pick prior to his senior year but, like his Spartan team, he really struggled at times in 2006...Classic boom or bust type who looks like an elite prospect one game and an undrafted free agent the next...Could be a great starter in the NFL but for that to happen he'll have to develop some consistency and cut down on the mistakes

Saw him in an 11 on 11 drill today get tripped over by his guard as he stepped out from under centre, looked just like a Ravens QB. :rolling:

[Ravens0587]

I think he plays the tripping fool part better then kyle, kyle sort of stumbles and then hits the ground, Stanton looks like he put some effort into hitting the ground.

I was really impressed today on the north squad by Josh Wilson, mcaulley (SP?) and the DE from purdue, anthony spencer.

The WR from ECU ELlison had a good day.

I'm still in the Troy Smith camp but his footwork wasn't that great and that was w/o a rish

[Sephy]

Little things can be fixed. I don't think this team needs a huge project at QB right now.

[Fanman]

We need a RB in a BIG WAY. If we don't take one w/ our first pick we should trade that pick to San Diego for Michael Turner. I have no issues w/ trading a late first round pick for a guy that could come in and have an impact from game 1.

FM

[Mobtown]

We need a RB in a BIG WAY. If we don't take one w/ our first pick we should trade that pick to San Diego for Michael Turner. I have no issues w/ trading a late first round pick for a guy that could come in and have an impact from game 1.

FM

You need to get over this obsession now, because there is no way in hell that Turner is going to be a Raven.

He is a great back, but Oz will not trade away a #1 and even if he did Turner is a cap killer.

You should start looking elsewhere for your RB solution.

[UKRavenStockers]

If the Chargers put the top tender on Turner (I fully expect them to) then it won't just be a 1st for Turner, it'll be a 1st and a 3rd. We won't get anything in return. The Chargers are in a sellers market, teams need RBs and they're in a position where they have a surplus. However they don't HAVE to get rid of Turner and in fact would be well served not to in terms of maintaining depth at RB. They are in a position where they won't offload him unless they get absolutely blown away by an offer or someone decides to tender him a ridiculous contract offer and give up the draft picks in compensation.

[Fanman]

I can see it now...OZ takes the best player available in the first round (not a RB) and we end up taking a flyer on some RB in the 3rd or 4th round.

FM

[Mobtown]

If the Chargers put the top tender on Turner (I fully expect them to) then it won't just be a 1st for Turner, it'll be a 1st and a 3rd. We won't get anything in return. The Chargers are in a sellers market, teams need RBs and they're in a position where they have a surplus. However they don't HAVE to get rid of Turner and in fact would be well served not to in terms of maintaining depth at RB. They are in a position where they won't offload him unless they get absolutely blown away by an offer or someone decides to tender him a ridiculous contract offer and give up the draft picks in compensation.

I am betting that the Giants put that ginormous offer out there. They have a history of making bad deals with SD.

[Sephy]

Ravens seen talking to RB Kolby Smith and WR David Clowney today.

[festivus]

I can see it now...OZ takes the best player available in the first round (not a RB) and we end up taking a flyer on some RB in the 3rd or 4th round.

!? It's not like the front office has a history of screwing up the draft, exactly. Have a little faith!

[jonboy79]

I am betting that the Giants put that ginormous offer out there. They have a history of making bad deals with SD.

So does Atlanta id you ask most people. LT + Brees is a little bit better then Michael Vick. From now on if SD has the first pick, I wouldn't trade the tenth pick player for it, that QB will be a let down. Michael Bush with pick 29.

[PurpleRulz]

At the senior bowl workouts, the Ravens interviewed:

Le’Ron McClain, Rufus Alexander

per scout.com

[LBoogy]

Alright Rufus!

[darb72]

Let's just avoid taking Kenneth Darby until the second day.

Not really sure if Oz can hold of on that one though.

[LBoogy]

I actually think picking Darby on the second day would be an absolutely fantastic addition.

Before the season Darby was considered a first-second rounder.

His production dropped, but he's always been a very good back in the best division in NCAA football. He does everything well IMO.

He has the potential to be a starter in the NFL and could end up as the Ravens franchise guy if we take him.

[PurpleRulz]

Kenneth Darby: (from nflcountdown.com)

Strengths:
Natural runner with great vision and instincts...Shows very good patience...Tough, runs strong and always finishes...Quick and changes directions well...Hits the hole hard and has a burst...Carried the load in college and was very productive...Has good hands and is a solid receiver out of the backfield...Smart and a hard worker.

Weaknesses:
Timed speed is only average at best...Has a lot of mileage on his tires...Runs too upright...Gives good effort as a blocker but is only average...Won't run away from anyone and is not a big play threat...Has trouble turning the corner and won't do much damage running outside...Upside is limited...Has some durability concerns.

Notes:
The type who does everything well but does not really stand out in any single area...An overachiever who gets the most out of his ability...Has probably maxed out his potential and is not destined for stardom but he could play a role for some team and contribute for a long time...Probably more of a backup at the next level.

(He does not sound that good from this scouting report's standpoint).

[LBoogy]

From watching Darby a few times, and being familiar with his production in the SEC, I think he'd be a great pickup on the second day.

His senior year wasn't very good, but he was great as a sophmore and a junior and was considered to be one of the top backs going into his senior year.

From reading nfldraftcountdown.com over the years, I've found that this guy (while very knowledgeable) gets very caught up in measurables. I am also not sure how he's saying that Darby has maxed out his potential. I haven't heard of too many guys Maxing out their potential at 22.

Darby has been very productive in the best conference in football and has pretty much all the tools.

I'm not saying he's a can't miss...I'm not even saying that he would start on the Ravens. I'm saying that a productive back from the SEC with all the tools is an intriguing pick on the second day.

Depending on his workouts and combine performance, we'll be able to better understand what kind of athlete he is.

Nevertheless, I'd love to have Darby in the 4th or 5th.

[darb72]

He tap dances.

I don't know how fast he is, or what his stats were this year. I just know from watching him play that he doesn't hit the hole as hard as he did in previous years. He did get hurt and that probably has a lot to do with it, but even if that's it, one has to wonder if it's the type of injury that he can come back strong from.
Look at Jamal the last couple of years. That's how Darby ran this season.

I'd take him on the second day, but that's it.

[PurpleRulz]

Here is some ESPN Insider information from a poster at scout.com.

I an liking the sounds of Ben Grubbs, "projected as a late first rounder or early second rounder." We could move down and draft this guy first. I also am liking the idea of drafting Jordan Palmer in the third round.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=118#S=118&F=1666&T=26207

Right now, my top three picks are

1. Justin Blalock OG/ Ben Grubbs OG/Marshawn Lynch RB/Jarvis Moss LB
2. Michael Bush RB
3. Jordan Palmer QB

[Sephy]

The third round is about 2 too high for Palmer. He is really not very good.

[PurpleRulz]

Poster ravensteve over at scout.com provided more names of players the Ravens have been eyeing during the Senior Bowl workouts:

Ravens - Chansi Stuckey-WR, DeMarcus Tyler-DT, Rufus Alexander-LB, Lorenzo Booker-RB, Justin Blalock-OG,Rhema McKnight-WR, Jason Hill-WR, Kolby Smith-RB, Ryan Harris-OT, Mason Crosby-K, Josh Beekman-OG per "On The Clock Draft"

[PurpleRulz]

Three more names, per scout.com

Ravens: Patrick Willis, Dallas Baker, Tank Tyler

[PurpleRulz]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/obs/124.html

Here is a list of players that the Ravens have observed/interviewed. One player that is intriguing is CB Josh Wilson.

[Art-Florida]

Here's a very preliminary thought on a nice group to obtain in rounds 1-3.
Of course this is based on the named players being there when our turn comes up.
*thanks to Football Future for the thumbnails

1) Marcus McCauley CB 6' 1 205 Fresno St.

McCauley was a reserve as a freshman, but moved into the starting lineup as a sophomore and hasn’t slowed down since. As a sophomore, he picked off three passes to go with 31 tackles, three for loss, and a sack. As a junior, he had 45 tackles, two for loss, and an interception. McCauley finished his career with 55 tackles, three of them coming for loss this season.

There isn’t much more you can ask for physically out of a corner. McCauley has it all. He has very good size, and matches up very well with bigger wideouts. His combination of height and jumping ability allow him to make plays on the ball with receivers a few inches taller. He doesn’t give up anything to the smaller receivers either. McCauley has the speed to keep up with any receiver well down the field.. He has a chance to be an all around standout cornerback.

There aren’t too many things to dislike about McCauley’s game. He may have some trouble with the smaller, quicker receivers at the next level, but he has shown the recovery speed to make up for any missed steps.

Marcus McCauley played opposite 2nd round pick Richard Marshall last year, but teams went the way of challenging, Marshall more. He did not have the year expected of him, but his combination of talent will get him drafted very high.
*** A possible Chris McAllister lookalike?


2) Joe Staley OT 6'5 300 Central Michigan
As a freshman tight end, Staley caught 11 balls for 130 yards and a touchdown. As a sophomore, he was moved to the offensive line and started all year at right tackle. He shifted over to left tackle for his last two seasons, where he was one of the best tackles in college football.

Staley is a fantastic athlete. He is a former tight end who continued to grow, but kept his agility and athleticism. He easily mirrors defenders moves, and shows the ability to run and block on the move. He has the natural athleticism to be a standout pass protector at left tackle.

At this point, Staley still has a relatively lean frame. He will have to add more weight and get stronger at the next level. He has added quite a bit of weight since he enrolled at CMU, so the questions about how much more he can add have to be asked.

As a pass blocker, Staley is up there with the best of them. There are legitimate questions about his ability to handle stronger ends and his ability in the running game. If he can add some more weight and get stronger, he could be an excellent left tackle in the NFL. If he can get his weight over 300 and still maintain his impressive agility, the first round is not out of the question.

*** Would be a good tackle or an outstanding guard, with all that speed.

3) Lorenzo Booker RB 5'11 193 Florida St.
Booker landed at Florida St. with huge expectations as the number one running back in the country as a high school senior. While he has not lived up to the expectations he had entering school, he hasn’t had the opportunity to be the feature back either. As a freshman, Booker ran for 334 yards on 62 carries, and caught 19 balls for 86 yards. His best season to date was as a sophomore, where he ran for a career high 887 yards and four TD’s on 173 carries, and added 160 yards on 24 receptions out of the backfield. Booker’s rushing totals dipped to 552 yards and four touchdowns on 119 carries last year, but he became more of a weapon as a receiver, hauling in 38 passes for 329 yards and two touchdowns. He still was not able to land the feature role, but had a solid all around season as a senior, finishing with 525 yards and two touchdowns on the ground, and 28 catches for 303 yards out of the backfield.

Lorenzo Booker is an excellent change of pace back. He displays excellent quickness, and has the speed to reel off big runs on a consistent basis. He has excellent agility and can make defenders miss. He has always been a factor as a receiver, and is a legitimate weapon out of the backfield. Booker has the skills to be an excellent change up back and receiver out of the backfield.

The biggest downfall in Booker’s game is his lack of bulk. He does not appear to be the 193lbs he is listed at, and even if he is, that is still considered undersized for a feature back at the next level. He runs hard, but lacks the overall power to run inside consistently and pick up the tough yards after contact.

Booker has the big play ability, and does run hard with the ball in his hands, but there are questions about his ability to carry the load as a starting running back. He definitely has the talent to find a role and be a contributor in the NFL though. He doesn’t look to have the look of a feature back, but his versatility should allow him to help a time on offense. He is a very good receiver out of the backfield, has the ability to be a change of pace runner, and could develop into a quality return man.

*** the fastest back at the Senior Bowl, and exactly what we need for a change. See Ya' Jamal.

[Ravens0587]

1) Marshawn Lynch RB
2) Justin Blalock OG
3) Ruffus Alexander LB
4a) Josh Wilson DB
4b) Troy Smith QB
5) Rhema McKnight WR
6)Jonathan Wade DB
7) Ben Patrick (It couldn't be a Ravens draft w/o a TE)

I don't think this would ever happen but this is my perfect draft

[Sephy]

Pipe dream is right. Blalock is a definite first rounder, Josh Wilson is borderline first, early second, and Troy may have worked his way back to the third now.

[UKRavenStockers]

I can't see any way that Blalock lasts until our second rounder. If he continues to show he's as versatile as he'd seem then he may not last to our first pick.

[Ravens0587]

Guards don't usually get taken in the 1st round to begin with, almost as rare as centers and kickers (with the exception of Janikowski). So he should be there for our first. He has a knee injury and I am hoping that the knee injury will scare some teams off.

More realistically it would be Blalock in the 1st and Kenny Irons in the 2nd

[Rochardrik]

:insane:
I WOULD GET SOMEONE TO REPLACE BART SCOTT CAUSE HE TALKED ALOT SHIT AND DID NOTHING AGIANST MY BELOVED COLTS "HOT SAUCE"

:insane:

[Rochardrik]

I am liking this QB prospect to groom behind McNair:

Drew Stanton

Strengths:
Has good size and a solid frame...Arm strength is excellent...Is a terrific all-around athlete who can move in the pocket, throw on the run and hurt defenses with his feet...Displays good accuracy, touch and timing...Is smart and a good leader with top intangibles...A gunslinger who is very competitive and tough...Can take over and dominate a game when he is on...Still has quite a bit of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Is wildly inconsistent...Doesn't handle pressure well...Has a lot of mental lapses and will take too many chances...Has battled injuries throughout his career and durability is a big question...Will need to adjust to a pro-style offense...Throwing mechanics and footwork will need work...Too eager to run...Opens himself up to big hits...Stares down his target...Has a long memory & bad plays stay with him.

Notes:
Has all the physical tools you look for but doesn't always play up to them...Tore his ACL while covering a punt in 2003...Looked like a potential high first round pick prior to his senior year but, like his Spartan team, he really struggled at times in 2006...Classic boom or bust type who looks like an elite prospect one game and an undrafted free agent the next...Could be a great starter in the NFL but for that to happen he'll have to develop some consistency and cut down on the mistakes

Boller Jr.?

[ExiledRaven]

If we're going to pick a mid-round guy, I want Leak. He played in an offense that totally didn't fit him (he's a pocket, can move well if he has to-type guy). He's got the arm, played very well against OSU and even helped create the gameplan. He's the 4-6th rounder I'd like

Also....trend chart is updated:
http://www.profootball24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4083

[Ravens0587]

midget

[Rochardrik]

O i realize that and im praying we get him, someone stated that maybe a low wonderlik score could drop him and ummmmm I was hoping ummmmm he would umm drop to us so we could umm draft him

This IS our guy! He already shines like silver! (Did you know that, seen from above, a raven looks silver ?)
:rolleyes:

[Rochardrik]

Cal (Go Bears!) is the best public school in the nation and Lynch caries a 3.4 GPA. He may not be a Mensa member, but he is no dummy.

You are exactly right!! He is also a GREAT team, and locker room guy!!!!

[PurpleRulz]

If we're going to pick a mid-round guy, I want Leak. He played in an offense that totally didn't fit him (he's a pocket, can move well if he has to-type guy). He's got the arm, played very well against OSU and even helped create the gameplan. He's the 4-6th rounder I'd like

Also....trend chart is updated:
http://www.profootball24x7.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4083


A 5'11 QB? Heck No!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ExiledRaven]

the official line on him was 5'11" 7/8. I'm not one to totally flip out on a guy because of that.

Bress is 6'0" - flat.

But yeah, not the tallest guy. Then again, who else are we talking at QB... and don't tell me Jordan Palmer

[Ravens0587]

JOrdan Palmer

[darb72]

If you hit Leak he folds.

-He has a decent arm.
-He's fairly mobile.
-He's intelligent.
-He can be taken out of his game after one hit.

That's the reason the Florida fans didn't like him.

He'll be a good back-up for a number of years, but if a team puts their faith in him over a 16 game season they'll lose more often than they win.

[ExiledRaven]

that makes sense and was the knock I'd heard on him too.

Really seems like there are really only two QBs that seem to be of proper caliber.

Then again, might Carr leave Houston and then he might be worth giving a chance..

But I really like Corner, LB, small DE-hybrid for our 1st rounder ~ gotta work more on names, but it looks like there will be more than 1-2 options around at that time that make sense,

[darb72]

This is a weird draft for us.

Normally at this time we start fussing and moaning about WRs and the Offensive line. We don't really need either in the first round.

Our defense is the number one ranked D in the NFL.

We're not drafting a QB in the first round.

So RB, CB and maybe Outside Linebacker. That's what we need this time around.

[PurpleRulz]

The QB crop is pretty weak this year, but I would take a chance on Jordan Palmer. He has a very good arm and good bloodlines. He is someone we could develop behind McNair for 2 or 3 years. I think either Jordan Palmer or Drew Stanton are guys to gamble on. I would also look at Tyler Palko as someone to challenge Drew Olson.

[52decleetzu]

If the Chargers put the top tender on Turner (I fully expect them to) then it won't just be a 1st for Turner, it'll be a 1st and a 3rd. We won't get anything in return. The Chargers are in a sellers market, teams need RBs and they're in a position where they have a surplus. However they don't HAVE to get rid of Turner and in fact would be well served not to in terms of maintaining depth at RB. They are in a position where they won't offload him unless they get absolutely blown away by an offer or someone decides to tender him a ridiculous contract offer and give up the draft picks in compensation.

It is being widely reported that the Jets are going after Turner,willing to give up their first round pick which Im sure is at least 5 spots higher than ours.

The last thing we need to do is get into a bidding war.

[ExiledRaven]

best option at RB will probably be something like Bush or Irons being around in the second round

[PurpleRulz]

best option at RB will probably be something like Bush or Irons being around in the second round


Unless someone significantly drops (like Lynch), I am all for trading down and even out of the first round. If we can somehow end up with three 2nd round picks, we could clean up this year with a Ben Grubbs at the top of the 2nd round, a Michael Bush in the middle of the 2nd round, and a Jarvis Moss at the end of the 2nd round.

[ExiledRaven]

If we had three picks in the second, it might certainly be possible to get those three around that area.

Wouldn't THAT ever be a ridiculous draft. Well, we think it would be good now...

[dbcw]

I would think a running back would be a top priority. A quarterback in the first day might be a possibility as well. Worst case scenario, we draft a good lineman. Doesn't matter what side of the ball as long as he's solid.

[ExiledRaven]

The more I look at this draft, the more and more I see massive drop off where there are tons of guy who are second round talents that are hyped or thought to fit "needs" that are getting slotted in.

The top 10 seems decent, but after that it goes downhill fast unlike previous years where you're seeing a guy like maroney or addai at the end of the 1st

[Ravens0587]

The more I look at this draft, the more and more I see massive drop off where there are tons of guy who are second round talents that are hyped or thought to fit "needs" that are getting slotted in.

The top 10 seems decent, but after that it goes downhill fast unlike previous years where you're seeing a guy like maroney or addai at the end of the 1st

W hear this every year though.

Who are your top 10 prospects and then who are your next tier prospects

[ExiledRaven]

I took a harder look, I'm gonna go with after 15-16 (russell, thomas, quinn, c. johnson, branch, jamaal anderson, peterson, okoye, gaines adams, laron landry, lynch, jarrett, leon hall, revis, ted ginn/reggie nelson)

And yeah, we hear this every year. I agree.

like I said before, it's not like I can go and point a finger at a player right now and go "that's who we're after". I really felt from the get-go that we should get Ngata and Clayton. This year, I really can locate a guy like that.

Rather, I see a collection of players that look available and could be worth the slot, but I can't focus down on one of them
1) Ben Grubbs ~ super atheltic guard, but is raw and just say no to round 1 guards
2) Blalock ~ more of a guard as opposed to a tackle, less mobile.
3) Arron Sears ~ he's the #3 tackle in the draft and from reports was very solid at the senior bowl though he's more of a do it all decent than a master of one thing.
4) Patrick Willis ~ 6-2 240 4.6...supposedly weaker in coverage, and has trouble shedding big blockers, but the whole MO of our team is to prevent LBs from having to deal with the blocks.
5) Quentin Moses ~ questionable at being around, but is a great OLB-DE tweener that fits the mold of Suggs, undersized quick DE.


Ideally, there are some other players we'd never get that might be worth trading up for if they start to fall: Okoye, Lynch, Timmons, Levi Brown, Dwayne Bowe.

All sorts of people (random mocks) seem to want Troy Smith or Michael Bush and that doesn't really make sense.
Bush should be there in the second and there is still a big question mark about the injury recovery and experience playing RB, Smith wants to be a Brown (yeah...LBJ of the NFL?) and may not go until round 3 or 4.

So I guess you can see my point...too many people, no idea what's going on. But I do like the idea of getting Moses or Willis. Have to see combine results before we get the better idea on projections of some of the less well known players

[Purplenemesis]

like I said before, it's not like I can go and point a finger at a player right now and go "that's who we're after". I really felt from the get-go that we should get Ngata and Clayton. This year, I really can locate a guy like that.

I have always saw Buster Davis as a Ravens type player. He is an undersized Linebacker and doesnt have the fastest 40 time but he has tremendous instincts and is faster on the football field than his 40 time would indicate. He is a very hard hitter and was the unquestionable leader of the Florida State defense. Plus he is always around the football on just about every play

The guy is going to be a stud in the NFL and could definately fill the void that may happen once AD is gone. Buster Davis may fall in the draft to late first early second. I guarantee you that if he falls far enough Ozzie will grab him the first chance he gets

[Art-Florida]

I have always saw Buster Davis as a Ravens type player. He is an undersized Linebacker and doesnt have the fastest 40 time but he has tremendous instincts and is faster on the football field than his 40 time would indicate. He is a very hard hitter and was the unquestionable leader of the Florida State defense. Plus he is always around the football on just about every play

The guy is going to be a stud in the NFL and could definately fill the void that may happen once AD is gone. Buster Davis may fall in the draft to late first early second. I guarantee you that if he falls far enough Ozzie will grab him the first chance he gets

I am an FSU fan, but Buster is too slow and too small. Of course two years from now I may be saying, "Did I REALLY say that?

[Ravens0587]

he seemed kind of lazy during senior bowl practices, or maybe dumb. It was one or the other. Singletary would tell stuff for example he told him to get his but down and either he didn't understand and couldn't pick it up or was lazy and chose not to.

It was a constant thing for him, even going as far as stopping a drill before it was over, leading to Singletary screaming, I didn't say you could stop.

My Target player last year was Vince Young, followed closely by Ngata.

This year it is Marshwawn Lynch followed closely by okoye.

[ExiledRaven]

Man, if we get lynch or okoye....wow. That's all I can say.

[bassgtrst]

NFL Draft Countdown has an interview with Fresno State RB Dwayne Wright.

Heres some interesting parts:


Scott Wright: What is your greatest football moment to date?

Dwayne Wright: My greatest football moment would be against Louisiana Tech when I had 295 yards on 25 carries and a touchdown.

Sound familiar???


Scott Wright: What would you say is your greatest strength as a football player and what area do you need to work on?

Dwayne Wright: I believe I have three strengths: My catching, my blocking and my vision. My vision is my biggest asset because a hole might close up on one side and then in a split second I might cut back the other way and get vertical. I'm a North / South guy but I can make defenders miss easily and I think that they always think I'm going to run them over so half the time I set them up like I am going to run them over and either run right past them or make a move and get upfield.


Scott Wright: What current pro are you most looking forward to going up against in the NFL?

Dwayne Wright: Brian Urlacher and Ray Lewis because I heard those guys bring it.


Scott Wright: When you get your first professional paycheck what is the first thing you will buy?

Dwayne Wright: I'm not going to buy, I'm going to invest. First I'm going to make sure my kids have enough money for their college and for their lives. After that I'm not worried about it. I'm just concerned about my kids and my family going through life.

I like this guys heart and his ability. He's 6'1'' 220 and runs a 4.5 40.

I will definatley be watching this guy at the combine, I think he could be had in the 2nd or 3rd.