Heroes and Goats... (Sabado Gigante Edition)

[RAVENOUS52]

*DISCLAIMER: As I shall be traveling to the Land of Pleasant Living within the next 48 Hours, this may be the final Heroes and Goats of the season for me. Nevertheless, the opinions of this thread are mine and mine alone and were not aided by performance enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids, Viagra, 5-hour Energy Drink, or Ouzo. Read and discuss amongst yourselves, and for the love of God, man up and be loud against the Jags this Sunday!!! Without further ado, Let's ROCK.:rocking:


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HEROES:

1) DERRICK MASON- Brother, you are officially the greatest WR in Baltimore Ravens history, in my book.:patriot: You kept lifting yourself up off the canvas to help your team and rookie QB win the most important game of our season to date, and showed the true heart of a CHAMPION.:respect Oh, and that McClain fumble recovery was the most critical play of the game, showing that not only do you make first downs and Touchdowns-- You also do the little things to make the Ravens successful...Dammit, it's time I went out and purchased a D-Mase Jersey for the holidays!:thumbup:

2) WILLIS MCGAHEE/LERON MCCLAIN- Needless to say, your back-to-back 75+ yard sprints to daylight not only set an NFL (and probably Olympic) record, it also broke the backs of the Cowgirls and ruined their pompous postgame celebrations. Seeing the tears in the eyes of the fans and Jerry Jones' daughters made staying home on a Saturday night more than worth it! I didn't know that Willis could run that fast:179421: , plus that L-Train stiff-arm was so nasty that the Dallas CB decided to hide behind Mark Clayton instead of making a real attempt at a tackle further down the field!!:rolling: :thumbup:

3) ED REED- The more things change, the more they stay the same, which is good for Ravens fans and what may realistically be the greatest playmaker at safety to ever play the game... Your hands and nose for the ball are so great that I honestly wouldn't be upset if Cam split you out wide and developed a "Reed Package".:ww: :respect

4) RAY RAY/T-SIZZLE/JAMEEL MCCLAIN- A big reason that, as predicted, Tony Romo was pressured into costly mistakes, was the constant whoopin' you cats kept putting on his ass!:141847_smmackbottom Everytime I turned around it seemed like Romo the Homo was running for his freakin life, and even when he got rid of the ball, you made sure he had to peel himself off the turf...:thumbup:

5) MATT STOVER/SAM KOCH/JIM LEONHARD- HUGE kicks, BIG punts, GREAT punt/kick returns and one AWESOME fake FG play helped keep us afloat until our run game could put the game away. I don't care what anyone says either-- Sam Koch should be the AFC's punter in Hawaii this season...:thumbup:

Honorable Mentions:

Ravens O-Line- Great job, men! I was hoping you could hold up to the abuse of facing back-to-back top defenses and you didn't disappoint me! :thumbup:

Mark Clayton- You may never develop into the superstar I want you to be, but you definitely have improved lately, making key third-down grabs to extend drives and such. Give my regards to Dan Cody at the next Sooners alumni meeting you attend.:thumbup:

Lorenzo Neal- Watching you chugging 80 yards downfield alongside L-Train was the highlight of my night!:laugh: Seeing you absolutely DESTROY oncoming would-be tacklers is another favorite thing I like to do!:192214:

OPTIMISTIC RAVENS FANS- Props to the fans who felt we could lay the smackdown on the Cowgirls and said so on this very message board!! You kick ass in more ways than you know and your "glass half full" attitude should be commended!!:thumbup:

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GOATS:

1) Evan Oglesby- Kid you looked lost out there and it showed in your performance. If you had been burned any worse, your teammates would've died from smoke inhalation on the sidelines!!:grbac:

2) Yamon Figurs- The only word I can think of to adequately describe your timid style of kick and punt returning would be "effeminate":jester: ... Look that up, Einstein.:grbac:

3) Fabian Washington- You're killing me here, Fabe...:grbac: Please pick up a copy of "Tackling and Press Coverage for Dummies" the next time you're at Barnes and Noble. And for the love of Pete, don't showboat by running all the way to the endzone after making a routine stop on 3rd Down...:grbac:

4) Jerry Jones- Hey douchebag, after disrespectfully setting up the Ravens to be patsies for your Cowgirl post-game shenanegans, doesn't it feel GREAT to watch a capacity crowd shed tears of pain instead of joy, dickhead?!! :rolling: :34853_lolpoint: http://www.dallascowboyfansunited.com/forums/images/smiliesII/explode.gif

5) Pessimistic Ravens Fans- Man up and cut out all that negative naysaying and second guessing and drink the purple Kool-Aid, people...And you know who you are too! :mad: :187734:

[Losac]

Love the visual aids!!! :thumbup:

I'd say this is pretty accurate. How about a nod for Cam and Harbs for the gutsy call on the fake field goal!

[purplepoe]

Good stuff Houston.

I really think Koch could be up at the top of the list.

Dude was UNREAL and the fake FG run topped off a great night for him.

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

Love the visual aids!!! :thumbup:

I'd say this is pretty accurate. How about a nod for Cam and Harbs for the gutsy call on the fake field goal!

Absolutely, Man...

They are definitely on my HEROES List for the AWESOME fake FG call and the low amount of penalties as well.

CAM 4 Prez!!

HARBS 4 Rookie Coach of the Year!!



Good stuff Houston.

I really think Koch could be up at the top of the list.

Dude was UNREAL and the fake FG run topped off a great night for him.

PP

Koch is a STUD. The best punter in the League, IMHO. But he's not on the field for enough plays to outweigh the guys who do the heavy lifting play in and play out.

[Rxdoxx]

Love the visual aids!!! :thumbup:

I'd say this is pretty accurate. How about a nod for Cam and Harbs for the gutsy call on the fake field goal!

:iagree: and don't also forget the naked bootleg by Flacco for a first down, I smell Cam all over that call.

[RAVENOUS52]

:iagree: and don't also forget the naked bootleg by Flacco for a first down, I smell Cam all over that call.

The funny part is, I believe Cam has even more surprises up his sleeve...But again, the Fake FG run was freakin SCHWEET!!:happyanim :worthy:

[RavensInBrazil]

At least Peter King had props for Koch this week, as well as Harbs

[Lee Van Cleef]

I think Reed should be a serious contender for DPOY now. Not only is he a joint leader in INTs, but he's got 220 yards in INT returns, a forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries, and three TDs, oh and a sack. While Polamalu may have 32 more tackles, it seemes to me that Reed has more game changing potential as the girly haired one has no fumble recoveries, FFs, sacks or TDs and only 59 return yards.

[HoustonRaven]

Good stuff as always Houston ....

They say if you're good at something, never do it for free! ;)

And mark me in the pessimistic fan category. I am still consuming copious amounts of crow since Saturday.

"effeminate" :rolling:

[RAVENOUS52]

I think Reed should be a serious contender for DPOY now. Not only is he a joint leader in INTs, but he's got 220 yards in INT returns, a forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries, and three TDs, oh and a sack. While Polamalu may have 32 more tackles, it seemes to me that Reed has more game changing potential as the girly haired one has no fumble recoveries, FFs, sacks or TDs and only 59 return yards.

It's getting to the point where commentators are no longer surprised when Ed makes a big play. Now that's the ultimate compliment, when you make the spectacular look routine.:D


Good stuff as always Houston ....

They say if you're good at something, never do it for free!

And mark me in the pessimistic fan category. I am still consuming copious amounts of crow since Saturday

Try not to choke on all that Crow, HR!! :ralph:

I hear celery helps it go down a little smoother though.:celery :laugh:

[Stumpy]

It's getting to the point where commentators are no longer surprised when Ed makes a big play. Now that's the ultimate compliment, when you make the spectacular look routine.:D



Try not to choke on all that Crow, HR!! :ralph:

I hear celery helps it go down a little smoother though.:celery :laugh:



Add some buffalo sauce and taste just like chicken.... so I been told.

[camdenyard]

I commend thee on your selections...you hit the mark and show considerable passion while doing so!

Looking forward to a big game or somethin'?

[StingerNLG]

I agree, good post this week.

But no love for Flacco? No turnovers, a bootleg for a 1st down when it was needed, and played smart football all game long.

[sh0time]

Great Post.

Every week I fall more in love with Jameel McClain. What a fantastic pick up from Syracuse - tremendous motor and a good skill set. Gooden, McClain, and Barnes are going to be a force in the near future.:happyanim

[bmoreravengirl]

Derrick Mason is what every other Ravens WR should strive to be like. He is the TRUE definition of a tough, blue-collar WR.

[HoustonRaven]

Add some buffalo sauce and taste just like chicken.... so I been told.

Here is my preferred crow recipe ...

In a skillet, fry a clove of garlic in bacon fat. Remove. Roll bird in flour and season with salt and pepper. Place in a skillet, brown on both sides, cover and occasionally add a bit of water. Cook until tender. Season with H.P. Sauce or Worcestershire sauce. Serve.

[Rochardrik]

Here is my preferred crow recipe ...

In a skillet, fry a clove of garlic in bacon fat. Remove. Roll bird in flour and season with salt and pepper. Place in a skillet, brown on both sides, cover and occasionally add a bit of water. Cook until tender. Season with H.P. Sauce or Worcestershire sauce. Serve.

Ya gotta get rid of all those "crow" recipes... isn't that a raven??

[Dave Lap]

The funny part is, I believe Cam has even more surprises up his sleeve...But again, the Fake FG run was freakin SCHWEET!!:happyanim :worthy:

That was the best call of the game to me and the execution was incredible. The O-Line sealed off Dallas so well they could have rolled out a red carpet for Koch to run on. Nice run too although if he hadn't gone left he would have scored a TD.

[Dave Lap]

I agree, good post this week.

But no love for Flacco? No turnovers, a bootleg for a 1st down when it was needed, and played smart football all game long.

Agree. Great list but Flacco should be there.

[RAVENOUS52]

I commend thee on your selections...you hit the mark and show considerable passion while doing so!

Looking forward to a big game or somethin'?

Sounds like a plan to me, Boss!!:D :patriot:

You've obviously been talking to my agent--->:T2: :D


I agree, good post this week.

But no love for Flacco? No turnovers, a bootleg for a 1st down when it was needed, and played smart football all game long.

No, I always have love for Flack, but the fumble that put us behind early was a HUGE turnover and was only evened out by the TD to Mason after an Awesome 4th down call by Cam the Man. I know he's a rookie (not anymore, after what he's faced this season so far), but the Heroes list is reserved for outstanding performance, not average or mediocre. Flack's first half of play would have landed him on the Goats list, while his second half would have put him on the Honorable Mentions list. Average it out and he doesn't get praised or "picked on" this week.:thumbup:

[StingerNLG]

No, I always have love for Flack, but the fumble that put us behind early was a HUGE turnover and was only evened out by the TD to Mason after an Awesome 4th down call by Cam the Man. I know he's a rookie (not anymore, after what he's faced this season so far), but the Heroes list is reserved for outstanding performance, not average or mediocre. Flack's first half of play would have landed him on the Goats list, while his second half would have put him on the Honorable Mentions list. Average it out and he doesn't get praised or "picked on" this week.:thumbup:

Oh I can't agree with you this week my friend. That sack was a pressure sack that came from the OL not playing right. He got hit from behind, which should NEVER happen.

Outside of that fumble, he played extremely efficient, and converted a few key 3rd downs that led to scores. Averaged out he played better than mediocre on the road against a playoff-contending team.

If you are putting Willis and McClain on there, you can't leave off Flacco. Didn't McClain cough up the ball too that luckily got put into D-Mase's hands?

[RAVENOUS52]

Oh I can't agree with you this week my friend. That sack was a pressure sack that came from the OL not playing right. He got hit from behind, which should NEVER happen.

Outside of that fumble, he played extremely efficient, and converted a few key 3rd downs that led to scores. Averaged out he played better than mediocre on the road against a playoff-contending team.

If you are putting Willis and McClain on there, you can't leave off Flacco. Didn't McClain cough up the ball too that luckily got put into D-Mase's hands?

Bottom line is, Flacco has shown a propensity for fumbling the ball (14), although most of them have fortunately been recovered by the Ravens (11). This time it put us behind early in a crucial game.

"Outside of the fumble", Joe was also inaccurate on several throws that would have almost surely been huge gains or touchdowns, the overthrow to a WIDE open Todd Heap being the most glaring miss. Converting third downs when you have the best possession receiver in football (Mason) shouldn't be too difficult when your O-line is giving you plenty of time to throw. As you said, he played efficiently, which by definition isn't "outstanding".

He played average Saturday night, and not much more, with his best pass being the great toss to Heap that converted a 1st down. Other than that, nothing else really stood out. So given the fact that he fumbles and it leads to a Dallas score, he had an average game, be it on the road or at home. We have our QB of the future, but Heroes and Goats is beyond playing favorites.:thumbup:

McGahee and McClain had the game-winning plays and set an NFL record in the process. Not only did they instantly make up for the McClain fumble, they effectively closed down Texas Stadium in the most dramatic way the Ravens could have hoped to. Years from now, NFL fans will relive those two runs and Steve Sabol will probably produce an NFL Films piece on it. Those plays were OUTSTANDING and above and beyond what is considered "normal", thus their dual Heroes status.:patriot:

[purplepoe]

Bottom line is, Flacco has shown a propensity for fumbling the ball (14), although most of them have fortunately been recovered by the Ravens (11). This time it put us behind early in a crucial game.

"Outside of the fumble", Joe was also inaccurate on several throws that would have almost surely been huge gains or touchdowns, the overthrow to a WIDE open Todd Heap being the most glaring miss. Converting third downs when you have the best possession receiver in football (Mason) shouldn't be too difficult when your O-line is giving you plenty of time to throw. As you said, he played efficiently, which by definition isn't "outstanding".

He played average Saturday night, and not much more, with his best pass being the great toss to Heap that converted a 1st down. Other than that, nothing else really stood out. So given the fact that he fumbles and it leads to a Dallas score, he had an average game, be it on the road or at home. We have our QB of the future, but Heroes and Goats is beyond playing favorites.:thumbup:

McGahee and McClain had the game-winning plays and set an NFL record in the process. Not only did they instantly make up for the McClain fumble, they effectively closed down Texas Stadium in the most dramatic way the Ravens could have hoped to. Years from now, NFL fans will relive those two runs and Steve Sabol will probably produce an NFL Films piece on it. Those plays were OUTSTANDING and above and beyond what is considered "normal", thus their dual Heroes status.:patriot:

LOL.

Sorry bro but you are grading Flacco on a different scale than every other player.

Adam Terry didn't touch Ware on that play where he fumbled.

The dude is a rookie QB who was crushed in the 1st half by a relentless pass rush. He stayed poised and led this team to an extremely important TD.

I gotta say that your posts about Flacco seem to have an agenda and I'm not sure why.

PP

[StingerNLG]

Bottom line is, Flacco has shown a propensity for fumbling the ball (14), although most of them have fortunately been recovered by the Ravens (11). This time it put us behind early in a crucial game.

And was not a product of his inability to avoid pressure. PP already made you aware of how the sack happened, and you can't put it on Flacco. Period.


"Outside of the fumble", Joe was also inaccurate on several throws that would have almost surely been huge gains or touchdowns, the overthrow to a WIDE open Todd Heap being the most glaring miss. Converting third downs when you have the best possession receiver in football (Mason) shouldn't be too difficult when your O-line is giving you plenty of time to throw. As you said, he played efficiently, which by definition isn't "outstanding".

Then take Willis McGahee off the list. Because outside of his one run and his one catch for a first down, he was not outstanding either.

Oh, and BTW Flacco was 68% passing, and converted on a couple of third downs he needed.

And in that case since Mark Clayton in your own words made "key third-down grabs to extend drives and such", and he gets honorable mention for his paulty 4 catches for 35 yards, then he needs to come off your list as well.

And please don't tell us Flacco had plenty of time to throw on all his 3rd downs. We know that's not true.



He played average Saturday night, and not much more, with his best pass being the great toss to Heap that converted a 1st down. Other than that, nothing else really stood out.

So the touchdown pass to Mason in the endzone was average huh?


So given the fact that he fumbles and it leads to a Dallas score, he had an average game, be it on the road or at home. We have our QB of the future, but Heroes and Goats is beyond playing favorites.:thumbup:

Yeah, I don't see the proof in that statement.


McGahee and McClain had the game-winning plays and set an NFL record in the process. Not only did they instantly make up for the McClain fumble, they effectively closed down Texas Stadium in the most dramatic way the Ravens could have hoped to. Years from now, NFL fans will relive those two runs and Steve Sabol will probably produce an NFL Films piece on it. Those plays were OUTSTANDING and above and beyond what is considered "normal", thus their dual Heroes status.:patriot:

So these two get elevated for one play. Flacco gets nothing for a night of making plays and throwing a touchdown (the same amount of touchdowns Willis scored that night BTW)?

I take back what I said about this week being a good post now that I go over this more. I think you're more than playing favorites this week. Sorry.

[RAVENOUS52]

LOL.

Sorry bro but you are grading Flacco on a different scale than every other player.

Adam Terry didn't touch Ware on that play where he fumbled.

The dude is a rookie QB who was crushed in the 1st half by a relentless pass rush. He stayed poised and led this team to an extremely important TD.

I gotta say that your posts about Flacco seem to have an agenda and I'm not sure why.

PP

No favorites, no agendas, dude...Just calling things as I see them.

Contrary to what you may think, it is possible for me to be totally ecstatic about us having Joe Flacco as our QB without (what we in the military call during periodic performance evaluations) "inflating" his performance rating because he's a rookie. Well, yes, he is technically a rookie, but he has 15 regular season games under his belt. You'd think that I listed him a Goat the way you and Losac are reacting.

Remember: My only "agenda", as you put it, is giving my honest opinion. I respect your point of view as well, even if I don't agree with it.

But then again, maybe my agenda is...........(Wait For It....).......






WORLD DOMINATION!!!!!!!!
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[RAVENOUS52]

And was not a product of his inability to avoid pressure. PP already made you aware of how the sack happened, and you can't put it on Flacco. Period.



Then take Willis McGahee off the list. Because outside of his one run and his one catch for a first down, he was not outstanding either.

Oh, and BTW Flacco was 68% passing, and converted on a couple of third downs he needed.

And in that case since Mark Clayton in your own words made "key third-down grabs to extend drives and such", and he gets honorable mention for his paulty 4 catches for 35 yards, then he needs to come off your list as well.

And please don't tell us Flacco had plenty of time to throw on all his 3rd downs. We know that's not true.




So the touchdown pass to Mason in the endzone was average huh?



Yeah, I don't see the proof in that statement.



So these two get elevated for one play. Flacco gets nothing for a night of making plays and throwing a touchdown (the same amount of touchdowns Willis scored that night BTW)?

I take back what I said about this week being a good post now that I go over this more. I think you're more than playing favorites this week. Sorry.

Your points are duly noted, but average doesn't beat OUTSTANDING. Take off your Joe Flacco shades and understand that when he deserves it, I am more than willing to give Joe Cool his props.

This week I didn't diss him or give him undo props. It was a middle-of-the-road performance from him based on what I've seen him accomplish this season.

If you want to crown him, well, then CROWN HIS ASS!:happy:

[StingerNLG]

Your points are duly noted, but average doesn't beat OUTSTANDING. Take off your Joe Flacco shades and understand that when he deserves it, I am more than willing to give Joe Cool his props.

This week I didn't diss him or give him undo props. It was a middle-of-the-road performance from him based on what I've seen him accomplish this season.

If you want to crown him, well, then CROWN HIS ASS!:happy:

Those of us who understand the circumstances and watched the game with an unbiased perspective will be more than happy to crown him!

If average doesn't beat outstanding, then again Willis and Mark Clayton come off your list. Mark Clayton making it and Flacco not is simply wrong.

If we are being fair about it. I don't think fair seems to play on this list.

[RAVENOUS52]

Those of us who understand the circumstances and watched the game with an unbiased perspective will be more than happy to crown him!

If average doesn't beat outstanding, then again Willis and Mark Clayton come off your list. Mark Clayton making it and Flacco not is simply wrong.

If we are being fair about it. I don't think fair seems to play on this list.

How can you argue against Willis and L-Train sharing a spot on the Heroes list when what they did wasn't only historic, it won us the game? They had ZERO turnovers between them and Willis made two huge first downs at the end of the first half to set up our go-ahead FG, while L-Train did the grunt work all game that softened up the Dallas D enough to break their backs at the end. If a baseball player strikes out early in the game and then hits back-to-back game-winning homeruns, is he not considered a hero?

[purplepoe]

Yea, we'll have to disagree man.

You've got the Oline as honorable mention when they were a freakin sieve for basically half the game yet the QB doesn't get mentioned?

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

Yea, we'll have to disagree man.

You've got the Oline as honorable mention when they were a freakin sieve for basically half the game yet the QB doesn't get mentioned?

PP

IMO, even when Joe got sacked, he had adequate time to get rid of the ball on three of the five. He just holds on to the ball too long sometimes, which I don't understand, because the kid has very good legs.

If you watched the replays (which I have numerous times), Joe actually glances at Ware a split second before he gets to him, yet tries to make a play downfield instead of realizing that we've got our backs to the goal line and tucking the rock away and letting Koch do his thing was our best option. Rookie decision making mistake that I think he'll definitely improve on in the future.

Make no mistake, I think the world of Joe Flacco and think that given time and the right weapons, he will go down as the second or third best QB in BALTIMORE Colts/Ravens history. I just felt that he didn't have one of his better games against Dallas. I rated his performance right in the middle, because I honestly felt that's where it was.

I understand that that damn rotten purplepoe guy poisoned your opinion with his...:cool: , but I think you know I value your opinion and, next to Losac, you have held me accountable more than anyone. I thank you for that. And I also thank God that this may be my last H&G of the year!:ww: Oh yeah and I also predict that Joe Cool has his first 300-yard passing game and no turnovers, fumbles or otherwise, against Jacksonville...:thumbup:

[4G63]

5) Pessimistic Ravens Fans- Man up and cut out all that negative naysaying and second guessing and drink the purple Kool-Aid, people...And you know who you are too! :mad: :187734:

I'll admit, I was one of them. I kinda thought they could pull an upset (ala Patriots last year) but I didn't see it happening. I'll gladly take my lumps though! ;) :taz:

[StingerNLG]

How can you argue against Willis and L-Train sharing a spot on the Heroes list when what they did wasn't only historic, it won us the game?

So Flacco's touchdown didn't help win the game?


They had ZERO turnovers between them

Thanks to Derrick Mason saving a fumble from LeRon McClain. Oh and by the way Flacco threw 0 interceptions and had a 97 QB rating for the game.

Yeah, that's middle of the road.


and Willis made two huge first downs at the end of the first half to set up our go-ahead FG

And Flacco ran for an important 1st down as well. Guess that was middle-of the road.

Clayton made 4 catches which were apparently outstanding, but the throws from Flacco to him were mediocre huh?


, while L-Train did the grunt work all game that softened up the Dallas D enough to break their backs at the end. If a baseball player strikes out early in the game and then hits back-to-back game-winning homeruns, is he not considered a hero?

Yep. And apparently that only applies to the players you like that week, not to someone who faced pressure and came back from a big sack/fumble at the beginning to rack up a 97 QB rating and a road win to keep us in the playoffs.


I'm done trying to point it all out. Apparently it's ok for Mark Clayton to only have 4 catches and be honorable mention, and Willis to have 8 carries and a TD and be a hero. But Flacco should have been better than his almost 100 QB rating and poise on the road against a playoff team on an emotional night for the city in order to make your list.

It's rediculous to be honest. But oh well. Maybe next week Flacco will throw for 5 touchdowns, 500 yards, and make the bottom of your honorable mention list while one of your favorite defensive players makes 1 tackle and is your #1 hero.

[4G63]

I've gotta admit that Flacco should at least be in the 'Honorable Mention' list. He played a great game on the road against a good Cowboys team. He handled the task at hand wonderfully.....

[RAVENOUS52]

So Flacco's touchdown didn't help win the game?



Thanks to Derrick Mason saving a fumble from LeRon McClain. Oh and by the way Flacco threw 0 interceptions and had a 97 QB rating for the game.

Yeah, that's middle of the road.



And Flacco ran for an important 1st down as well. Guess that was middle-of the road.

Clayton made 4 catches which were apparently outstanding, but the throws from Flacco to him were mediocre huh?



Yep. And apparently that only applies to the players you like that week, not to someone who faced pressure and came back from a big sack/fumble at the beginning to rack up a 97 QB rating and a road win to keep us in the playoffs.


I'm done trying to point it all out. Apparently it's ok for Mark Clayton to only have 4 catches and be honorable mention, and Willis to have 8 carries and a TD and be a hero. But Flacco should have been better than his almost 100 QB rating and poise on the road against a playoff team on an emotional night for the city in order to make your list.

It's rediculous to be honest. But oh well. Maybe next week Flacco will throw for 5 touchdowns, 500 yards, and make the bottom of your honorable mention list while one of your favorite defensive players makes 1 tackle and is your #1 hero.

Don't make the mistake of judging Flack against other players, because it's really comparing apples to oranges. All of the other offensive players stats are based somewhat on the performance of the QB, therefore your comparisons don't really fit. For example, if the O-line gives the QB 3 seconds or more to throw the ball and he doesn't find a way to do it and gets sacked, does that fall on them or the QB? If the O-line opens holes and the RB doesn't hit them properly, is it their fault or the runner's?

To me, especially in a season that has seen dudes with little or no NFL experience like Cassel and Ryan excel under as much, if not more pressure and scrutiny than Joe, it seems a little ridiculous to grade a guy on a curve for showing poise, when the truth is, Flack "shows poise" whether he's having a great game or a crappy one (something I love about him).

I also don't judge cats by QB rating. To me, that's a cop-out that doesn't necessarily tell you what your eyes can see perfectly for themselves. Joe's stat line was: 17/25 for 149 yards with 1 TD and 4 rushes for 4 yards with a long of 14 yards. He also had a fumble deep in Ravens territory that lead to a TD by fellow rookie T. Choice. That's an average game for Joe, if you look at his career numbers.

Again, average doesn't equal OUTSTANDING. Joe made most of his short throws, but missed on several plays to Mason and Heap that would have been HUGE (and definitely would have garnered him HERO status) and were relatively easy throws to make, especially inside a stadium with little-to-no wind and a docile crowd that couldn't intimidate Richard Simmons.

Fortunately on those drives deep into Dallas territory, the FGs we were forced to settle for and the Flacco-to-Mason TD were enough until the Willis/L-Train combination (30 carries for 247 yards and 2 TDs with 4 catches for 25 yards and 1 fumble that was recovered) put the game out of reach.

The question could just as easily be asked why I excluded Bart Scott (lead the team in tackles) or Haloti Ngata.

I think cats are just hyper-sensitive about Joe Flacco because we haven't had a good homegrown QB around these part since Bert Jones, but again, Heroes and Goats doesn't take that into account-- I just call em like I see em, PERIOD. Joe Flacco will have his day in the sun again and for at least another full decade if my dreams come true...Saturday he was Trent Dilfer, not Unitas or The Ruston Rifle. :thumbup:

[purplepoe]

Sensitive?

Please.

The more you respond to more it looks like you have an agenda.

You continue to stress the few negatives Flacco had, tossing aside the negatives others had while in the same breath rewarding the good plays by others yet minimizing Flacco's.

It has nothing to do with our past history of QBs and wanting to overvalue or inflate what Flacco did.

For Clayton and the OL to get honorable mention while Flacco gets nothing is mind boggling.


PP

[sailorsam]

Yea, we'll have to disagree man.

You've got the Oline as honorable mention when they were a freakin sieve for basically half the game yet the QB doesn't get mentioned?

PP

you could about give the o-line 1/2 goat (for the first half) and 1/2 hero for 2nd.

[HoustonRaven]

Saturday he was Trent Dilfer????

Wow.

I am usually in agreement with your lists, but this has me scratching my head. Sting and PP make some very valid points.

[StingerNLG]

Saturday he was Trent Dilfer????

Wow.

I am usually in agreement with your lists, but this has me scratching my head. Sting and PP make some very valid points.


Yeah, me too. That's the point where credibility on these lists are totally lost.

But again, notice Mark Clayton makes the list for 4 catches for 35 yards. But somehow he played better than Joe Flacco who had 68% passing and a 97 QB rating.

Even Mike Preston gave Flacco an A. Mike F'ing Preston.

Trent Dilfer my ass.

[RAVENOUS52]

Yeah, me too. That's the point where credibility on these lists are totally lost.

But again, notice Mark Clayton makes the list for 4 catches for 35 yards. But somehow he played better than Joe Flacco who had 68% passing and a 97 QB rating.

Even Mike Preston gave Flacco an A. Mike F'ing Preston.

Trent Dilfer my ass.

Using Mikey Bag 'O Doughnuts as a character witness is a desparate measure and at least shows me that there's some validity to my opposing view.:thumbup:

Let's not forget though that it's only a game, and this is only the Internet, so with all that said, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and will get back to my "agenda" of celebrating today with family and friends!:beer:

[purplepoe]

Using Mikey Bag 'O Doughnuts as a character witness is a desparate measure and at least shows me that there's some validity to my opposing view.:thumbup:

Let's not forget though that it's only a game, and this is only the Internet, so with all that said, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and will get back to my "agenda" of celebrating today with family and friends!:beer:

Preston giving Flacco an A helps YOU?

That guy giving Flacco an A basically stopped the space time continum.

But you're right. We won and it's Christmas Day. I'm in Myrtle Beach with the in laws and it's 72 and sunny. Add to that about 6 beers and it's been a great Xmas so far!

Can't wait for Sunday!

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

Get your ass back up here and I'll drink a few with ya' at the tailgate, brother!:beer:

[HoustonRaven]

Yeah, me too. That's the point where credibility on these lists are totally lost.

Well, I would not go tha far either.

Houston's post are pretty spot on and he knows his football.

He calls it like he sees it -- even if sometimes he seems like he has had one to many before sitting down and writing! ;)

[RAVENOUS52]

Well, I would not go tha far either.

Houston's post are pretty spot on and he knows his football.

He calls it like he sees it -- even if sometimes he seems like he has had one to many before sitting down and writing! ;)


True Dat, True Dat, Man...:hammer:

Sometimes I'm the Hero:patriot: and sometimes I'm the Goat:bag: !

I have no problem with that.

But saying I have an agenda? That's a little far-fetched.

How many weeks have I been doing this weekly thread?

Wouldn't a pattern have emerged long ago if I had an agenda?

This thread is like M&T Bank Stadium:

Root Hard, Have Fun, But... DON'T. BE. A JERK!! :34853_lolpoint::girlfight

Stay Classy, Y'all...:D

[StingerNLG]

True Dat, True Dat, Man...:hammer:

Sometimes I'm the Hero:patriot: and sometimes I'm the Goat:bag: !

I have no problem with that.

But saying I have an agenda? That's a little far-fetched.

How many weeks have I been doing this weekly thread?

Wouldn't a pattern have emerged long ago if I had an agenda?

This thread is like M&T Bank Stadium:

Root Hard, Have Fun, But... DON'T. BE. A JERK!! :34853_lolpoint::girlfight

Stay Classy, Y'all...:D

Oh now come on R. You act like this is the first time someone has called you on your list. John Harbaugh ring a bell?

You are a good guy, no one is saying otherwise. But you play favorites in your list. It's just the nature of the beast.

[RAVENOUS52]

True I may lean a little towards the defense sometimes, but can you blame me after a decade of excellence? :D

But really, I promise you I don't have an agenda or a "Mini-RAV52" running around helping me plot ways to piss you cats off.

And if you suck, I will not hesitate to put you on the Goats list, even if you're Ray Lewis or Willis McGahee (see Redskins & Stealers editions).:bag: