Garrett to Turn Down Ravens: Harbaugh the Next Coach?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Just reported on WNST.

Not official, but Drew sounds pretty confident in his sources...and he thought Garrett would eventually take the job.

What a clown...good riddance

[Sephy]

You know, I think this is a blessing. Give me Harbaugh. I think he might make a better coach.

[TheExtraPoint]

Blessing in disguise perhaps.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3200822

[Raveninwoodlawn]

You know, I think this is a blessing. Give me Harbaugh. I think he might make a better coach.

I'm ready for Harbaugh too.

I'm not pissed that Garrett isn't our coach, I'm pissed at that joke of a dog and pony show this clown did all week.

I saw this coming.

[RavenScallywag]

John Harbaugh, come on down, and PLEASE take the job!

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Wow...who saw this coming?...lol

What a clown.

[The Fanatic]

You know, I think this is a blessing. Give me Harbaugh. I think he might make a better coach.

I agree 100% regarding the possible blessing in disguise.

I don't know if Harbaugh will be a better head coach, but I do know that this job requires somebody who has 100% conviction that this is where he wants to be, and is salivating at the opportunity to be a head coach.

BTW,
I merged the two threads that were both basically started at the same time.

[RavenScallywag]

what might be even more gut wrenching? Since we're under a winter weather advisory, might have to wait until tomorrow to have Harbaugh come in for an interview :(

[RavensDomination]

I am glad. What the hell is so great about Garrett? I knew he would end up staying in Dallas anyway, Jerry Jones is a snake and once he found out others wanted him no way would he let him leave.

[Sephy]

Is Harbaugh in Philly? He wouldn't need to wait.

[HoustonRaven]

My only issue here is the source. Garrett may well be gone, but WNST has been a joke through this whole process.

[The Fanatic]

I have no problem with what Jerry Jones may have done.
If he offered him more money to stay then so be it.
It's within his right to try and maintain what he believes is the best thing for his team.
What I do have a problem with is Garrett going out and leading teams on to think he was a viable candidate if he wasn't sure he was ready to take on that type of job.

[highwater]

My only issue here is the source. Garrett may well be gone, but WNST has been a joke through this whole process.

ESPN is reporting it too.

Well, he can take all three years of his coaching experience back to Dallas, and life will go on.

[RustonRifle]

I liked Garrett but I'd rather have a coach that wants to be here rather than someone whos heart may be somewhere else. Even if he started winning here he'd eventually move on to where his hearts at. I'd rather see the Ravens hire someone that likes what he sees here and is focused only on winning games for this town and the franchise. If the front office has confidence in Harbaugh or whomever, I feel they'll do a quality job.

First order of business should be to get this locker room cleaned up, even if the end result of it causes players to be moved.

Whoever the Ravens hire hopefully in years to come we won't have to hear incessent blathering about his coaching tree every offseason.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

My only issue here is the source. Garrett may well be gone, but WNST has been a joke through this whole process.

What? What has been a joke about it?

The joke was Comcast Sportsnet posting on thier page that Garrett was hired on
Tuesday.

And there is an ESPN link further up in the thread.

[SHORTTRACK]

ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3200822

[RavensDomination]

What? What has been a joke about it?

The joke was Comcast Sportsnet posting on thier page that Garrett was hired on
Tuesday.

And there is an ESPN link further up in the thread.



Not to mention WNST broke the news that we would offer the job to Garrett the night BEFORE he even came for the 2nd interview.

Was that a joke too?

[The Fanatic]

Another small problem here is that I think Ozzie is in Alabama or where ever the East/West shrine game is being played.

I'd like to hope/think that Ozzie is involved in making the decision to hire Harbaugh or whoever.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

What I do have a problem with is Garrett going out and leading teams on to think he was a viable candidate if he wasn't sure he was ready to take on that type of job.

Yup.

You don't do this crap if you aren't sure. Let everybody know upfront like the OC in NE did.

He got everybody here worked up when he apparently didn't have his heart in this search. Screw that jackass.

[HoustonRaven]

ESPN is a joke too.

Everyone is guessing here -- Nestor, ESPN, etc. The loons over at WNST have reported every side of this issue either a day late or a dollar short. Garrett was in town and AFTER the Sun had it up on their web site, they all of a sudden come out of the wood work with "our sources tell us Garrett is in town meeting with Bisciotti right now!"

Well duh!

[Rxdoxx]

I think maybe next time Garrett goes through this process, no team is going to leave an offer on the table if he gets on a plane. I don't blame him if he was only checking his options, but if it was an agent money squeeze then a different story.

Bring on the brother of Captain Comeback :D

Looks like Rex probably is in Atlanta???

[Sephy]

WNST has been nothing but solid throughout this. I give them major props.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

WNST has been nothing but solid throughout this. I give them major props.

Yeah.

Nobody has reported anything incorrectly other than Comcast Sportsnet.

I think NST and the other outlets did a fine job.

[3RDRowRaven]

The Baltimore Sun is reporting it as breaking news about Garrett.

[Sephy]

Another small problem here is that I think Ozzie is in Alabama or where ever the East/West shrine game is being played.

I'd like to hope/think that Ozzie is involved in making the decision to hire Harbaugh or whoever.

Cell phones and the internet are a wonderful thing :) Plus, he could fly back to do a PC today or tomorrow. The only thing he needs to be in Bama for is the daily practices.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Sun Link (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens117,0,7763200.story)

[HoustonRaven]

Bye bye you read headed asshole ....

You made your bed with JJ now go lay in it.

Hello Harbaugh!

[Ravenswarrior19]

To me, WNST has been hitting homeruns on this all week.

And the Ravens don't look so hot right now. How do you explain to John Harbaugh that Garrett was your first choice, and he is the fallback plan?

[Sephy]

Do you think John Harbaugh really cares?

[Ravenswarrior19]

Well, I know I would care. Not that I would pass up on the job, but it certainly would effect me somehow.

[HoustonRaven]

To me, WNST has been hitting homeruns on this all week.

And the Ravens don't look so hot right now. How do you explain to John Harbaugh that Garrett was your first choice, and he is the fallback plan?

Exactly the way you said it.

Harbaugh is an adult and understands the situation. This isnt high school and the chick you wanted to take is taking someone else.

Just because you didnt get your 1st choice doesnt mean choice 2 is automatically a bad one or one you didnt want either.

[Purpleguy]

If this clown was their top choice then i really don't feel too good about whomever their second or third choice is.

[The Fanatic]

Cell phones and the internet are a wonderful thing :) Plus, he could fly back to do a PC today or tomorrow. The only thing he needs to be in Bama for is the daily practices.

More then most likely something to that effect is what will take place I suppose.

Unfortunately though due to the way this whole thing started with the way Billick was let go, and Ozzie looking clueless at the presser, it still will look like Ozzie isn't as involved is he should be.

[RavenScallywag]

if Harbaugh turns us down, then yes, we will be a joke and the laughing stock of the NFL...when a NON-COORDINATOR turns down a HC gig, then yes, we will suck.

I don't think he does though.

[Sephy]

I would shit a brick if Harbaugh turned down the Ravens. Like any other sane coaching candidate, he'd take it in a heartbeat.

[HoustonRaven]

More then most likely something to that effect is what will take place I suppose.

Unfortunately though due to the way this whole thing started with the way Billick was let go, and Ozzie looking clueless at the presser, it still will look like Ozzie isn't as involved is he should be.

Oy. Or he's on board. Seriously, where does this suspect outlook on Ozzie come from? Because he looked odd at some presser?

[The Fanatic]

If this clown was their top choice then i really don't feel too good about whomever their second or third choice is.

Quite frankly, I'm more concerned about Who is making the choices more so then the choices themselves, but you do have a point.

[Ravens52]

Good, he didn't want it anyways. I don't think anyone that is desiring to be a head coach has an offer thrown in his face and says, well let me think about it. You either want to be a head coach or you do not.

[Purpleguy]

Good, he didn't want it anyways. I don't think anyone that is desiring to be a head coach has an offer thrown in his face and says, well let me think about it. You either want to be a head coach or you do not.

He wants to be a head coach, just not head coach of the Ravens or Falcons. He's content to wait it out as a coordinator for a shot at Dallas. This is basically the same thing the guys from New England and Cleveland think. This was a bad year to be looking for a HC. The candidates were weak, but that may be because the job openings were weak.

[jonboy79]

Yes it sucks, I hate beign rejected, but I can understand. If what Garrett did is not PC, or doesn't fit how things are done, thne they will be changing. I don't understand how these decisions are expected to be made in minutes. When there are more jobs then reasonable candidates, the reasonable candidates will have time to make their decisions, it's called supply and demand.

Years ago, NEstor and WNST stopped reporting stories, in favor of becoming the story. This is another case of that.

[Greg]

This is akin to the Cowboy LB who wouldn't sign/McCrary signing, the David Boston passing for SD deal, and the TO refusal to come here deals. Each one of those was really what was best for the Ravens.

Would TO be as content here with our QBs? I doubt it.

[Sephy]

It said in the Sun article that he has a promise from Jones of the HC job in Dallas after Wade. Not exactly a bad move, as the Cowboys job has to look a lot better right now, but you still have to question a guy not taking a solid HC job somewhere.

[The Fanatic]

Oy. Or he's on board. Seriously, where does this suspect outlook on Ozzie come from? Because he looked odd at some presser?

It comes from the general manager not being the guy who is payed to make the football decisions not being the one to fire Billick and looking like a guy who really wasn't in the loop when that decision was made.

It comes from having an owner who woke up one day and decided to fire his coach after he already said he was safe and leasding on his GM that that was what was going to take place.

Decisions like these should have the input from your GM who should also be a major part in hiring the replacement.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

If this clown was their top choice then i really don't feel too good about whomever their second or third choice is.

Again, I'm not as against this as PG, but you have to wonder why Steve was so seemingly insistant on this guy and couldn't see that this guy simply did not have his heart in it.

I don't care what jokes and other convo's they shared in Owings Mills, once he walked out of here after making a VERY fair offer, his actions spoke louder than words. And if it weren't obvious Tuesday, it should have been obvious yesterday when he walked out of Atlanta.

It just baffles me that he and Cass (who seem to be the guys running this show) didn't see what some of us have been saying for days now.

I don't want a guy who is secretly plotting his way to another job or is complacent being where he is at.

Somehow, Bisciotti and Cass didn't see it and as a person who has had experience assisting in the hiring process, I am very disappointed in them not seeing what was obvious to myself and a couple others.

He is a flaky guy who may be a very nice guy and a great interview, but again, actions speak louder than words. Don't want that type here.

[Sephy]

Years ago, NEstor and WNST stopped reporting stories, in favor of becoming the story. This is another case of that.

How, exactly, have they dont this here? I have no problem with NST bashing when warranted, but all they did was report the news before anyone else.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Yes it sucks, I hate beign rejected, but I can understand. If what Garrett did is not PC, or doesn't fit how things are done, thne they will be changing. I don't understand how these decisions are expected to be made in minutes. When there are more jobs then reasonable candidates, the reasonable candidates will have time to make their decisions, it's called supply and demand.

Years ago, NEstor and WNST stopped reporting stories, in favor of becoming the story. This is another case of that.

This was not a decision he had minutes to decide! We did not call him out of the blue on Monday night and ask to speak with him for the first time on Tuesday.

This is a guy who has to have known since November that he was going to be a hot name as a HC after the season.

And he has known for almost 3 weeks that we were interested and he potentially could be the HC here.

And he knew as soon as Steve asked him for the second interview "aka...lets iron out the details for you to be our coach" that there was a 99.9 percent chance that he would be offered the job.

So basically, he has had PLENTY of time to decide, not only if he wanted to be a HC after this season but if he wanted to come here.

This isn't the same as a normal job search...It's not a valid comparison.

[jonboy79]

BY reporting every fart, sneeze and hiccup, rather then waiting for any reasonable shred of info at any point in time. It seemed that NST was much more interested in beign first to report the story, then what the story was or if it was accurrate. Things appear to be coming otu true, btu the whole process was laughable from my perspective. It seemed like same old NST, be the story.

[The Fanatic]

It said in the Sun article that he has a promise from Jones of the HC job in Dallas after Wade.

According to This Article (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/011708dnsposparano.2a3cb295.html) in the dallas news, it's against league rules to do that.

"League rules prevent Jones from guaranteeing Garrett the Cowboys' head coach position in the future."

Whether that is correct or not I don't know, but if it is, and JJ did it, he might very well be held accountable for violating league rules.

Proving it might very well be a futile task as well.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

He wants to be a head coach, just not head coach of the Ravens or Falcons. He's content to wait it out as a coordinator for a shot at Dallas. This is basically the same thing the guys from New England and Cleveland think. This was a bad year to be looking for a HC. The candidates were weak, but that may be because the job openings were weak.

The other guys let it be known they weren't interested in any jobs...basically right after the season.

There still may be a position open in Seattle...certainly a good spot.

This guy doesn't want to be a HC and if he does, only for the Cowboys.

[B-more Ravor]

Whether that is correct or not I don't know, but if it is, and JJ did it, he might very well be held accountable for violating league rules.

Proving it might very well be a futile task as well.

Yeah, it's hard to prove a "nod, nod, wink, wink". :069:

[The Fanatic]

BY reporting every fart, sneeze and hiccup, rather then waiting for any reasonable shred of info at any point in time. It seemed that NST was much more interested in beign first to report the story, then what the story was or if it was accurrate. Things appear to be coming otu true, btu the whole process was laughable from my perspective. It seemed like same old NST, be the story.

I got no problem with NST reporting what they hear or know.
They are a media outlet who's job is to keep us in tune with what's going on with Baltimore Sports.
That's basically their business.

If they want to be the first with the scoop, then so be it.
I'd imagine most media outlets in any form want to be the first with the scoop.

They were the same way with Mcnair two years ago, and ended up being right.
Don't recall anybody flipping out about them during that escapade.

[jonboy79]

This isn't the same as a normal job search...It's not a valid comparison.

I disagree. I think it's that simply, most times when coaches are offerred these positions they have very little choice but to accept. In this instance, Garrett was the one with all fo the options, and everything to lose by making a snap decision. He had his choice in at least 3 jobs, probably was th etop candidate in waS too. Of course we would allow him to think about it, there are no real candidatyes this year. Horrible year to fire your coach, too bad it dneeded to be done.



The more I think fo it, the more I realize that one or more of the CMAC, Ray, Suggs trio will probably gone as an example. It is obvious that Rex was never seriously considered, and that Billick is gone becuase he needed to be. Ther ereally is a locker room culture problem.

[Sephy]

Apparently Drew says he is now hearing Rex won't be offered the Atlanta job? If he ends up the HC here, I will be PISSED.

[Fcowher]

There is no way Rex was ever going to get the job. He has too much Billick in him and they want young, fiery, and the anti-Billick.

[HoustonRaven]

It comes from the general manager not being the guy who is payed to make the football decisions not being the one to fire Billick and looking like a guy who really wasn't in the loop when that decision was made.

I dont know what presser you watched, but Ozzie was right there with Bisciotti. What information do you have that says Ozzie was out of some loop? Everything I have read was quite the opposite. Maybe he wanted Billick gone, maybe he didnt. You're simply guessing and then making statements of fact based on that guess. What does his looks have to do with it? He looked equally "lost" at the McGahee signing -- he just isnt very confortable in front of cameras.


It comes from having an owner who woke up one day and decided to fire his coach after he already said he was safe and leasding on his GM that that was what was going to take place.

OK, so? How is this a function of Ozzie?


Decisions like these should have the input from your GM who should also be a major part in hiring the replacement.

Bisciotti said he got Ozzie's input. Unless you have some info that nobody else has, Im going to take Bisciotti at his word -- he hasnt given any reason not to so far. He admitted it was a spur of the moment thing so he isnt hiding anything. And who says Ozzie isnt involved? Because he left to go scout? Hate to bring you in on this one but Ozzie has scouting duties too and the East West game is an excellent opportunity to view young talent. And doesnt Ozzie already know Harbaugh personally?

[TheExtraPoint]

So what do you guys think of a coaching staff like this:

John Harbaugh HC
Cam Cameron OC
Ron Rivera DC

That's a guess, but I could see it happening rather easily.

[UKRavenGordon]

Best news I've heard all day!!!!

2 days ago I was all for Garrett. From the moment he got on that plane my opinion began to change. Hopeful we bring Harbaugh in today and get him to sign.

[Ravenswarrior19]

The Sun article also says that Rex is no longer considered a top candidate for the Falcons job.

Maybe he will be back here. I've read before that both Rex and Rob Ryan have a glass ceiling in the NFL because there dad was such hot-head.

[jonboy79]

So what do you guys think of a coaching staff like this:

John Harbaugh HC
Cam Cameron OC
Ron Rivera DC

That's a guess, but I could see it happening rather easily.


I'll take it! It seems Cam Cameron might have hard on for Baltimore.. he has been linked as our OC with 3 seperate HC's now...

[Greg]

Given Rex's brush with the law, he might be a little hot-headed himself.

That isn't necessarily a bad thing in the NFL, as long as you can focus and control it.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

As far as there "not being good jobs out there" for Garrett to choose from, when was the last time a good team fired thier coach?

Unless a coach retires (and usually those teams have thier replacement lined up), every open job basically is on a bad team in turmoil...they have no head coach for crying out loud.

TEams that are looking for head coaches are bad teams in bad situations in some way or another 95% of the time.

The Redskins weren't good when Gibbs got there. The 49ers were a joke when Walsh took that job. The Giants were a mess when Pacells took that job. The Cowboys were a shell of thier former self when they hired Jimmy Johnson. The Patriots were on a downward slope when Bellichek went there.

If you are afraid of taking a job with a bad team, you aren't made out to be a head coach.

[Ravenswarrior19]

As far as there "not being good jobs out there" for Garrett to choose from, when was the last time a good team fired thier coach?



I would say last year's 14-2 San Diego Chargers. But you're right, they are definately the exception to the rule.

[TheExtraPoint]

Garrett got his money, but he basically looks like a fool around the league. All he had to do was go to Jones in the first place, demand the increase and not fly around the country, putting on this dog-and-pony show. I hope he has good success in Dallas because owners around the league have short memories. They won't forget the charade he just pulled.

Garrett is young, and has been an assistant coach in the league for only three years. His lack of experience showed during this entire process.

For the first time that I can recall, I'll say it:

RACK MIKE PRESTON!

[Dabruise]

Guys,

Glad it doesn't sound like panic in Ravenland!

I've heard that Garrett was 1 but Harbaugh was 1A. I guess they are both a bit of a stretch and both make me nervous. What I am a bit concerned about is whether/if the Indy job and Seattle jobs open up, will harbaught have at least one more suiter to up the ante? He may be inclined to go to the west coast too.

I think the sun article was on to something. Baltimore's reputation sucks outside of crabs, football and the harbor. You really have to WANT a job badly to want a job here. Why not wait a year for one of the top 2 NFL jobs period?

I also think Biscuit waited a year too long to be vetting coaches. This team looks weaker than it really is and everyone is talking rebuilding.

It looks like it's Harbaugh with Rex going to Cincy to be our thorn in the flesh. I just hope he can bring in quality coordinators to help him get over the rough patch.

If comfort were to rule, I'd say bring in Marty for a couple of years until we have a quarterback and build from his staff. That's why I think it was a bad decision to alienate Rex. We sure could use him next year.

[Sephy]

Sun says a source tells them Schottenheimer is back in the picture. Marty as HC with Harbaugh as DC waiting in the wings?

[The Fanatic]

"I dont know what presser you watched, but Ozzie was right there with Bisciotti. What information do you have that says Ozzie was out of some loop? Everything I have read was quite the opposite. Maybe he wanted Billick gone, maybe he didnt. You're simply guessing and then making statements of fact based on that guess. What does his looks have to do with it? He looked equally "lost" at the McGahee signing -- he just isnt very confortable in front of cameras."

I'm not about to go tracking back searching for quotes in articles to find where he states he wasn't in favor of firing Billick because it can't be found.

What has been shown was that Biscotti woke up and said he had a change of heart and decided to release Billick.
It was reported by the head of public relations on the Ravens' official web site that Billick was staying only for him to be fired shortly there after.

I don't need a quote written in ink to let me know that Ozzie wasn't in favor of firing Billick.
Nor do I think Ozzie would come out in a press conferance or any other form announcing his disagreement with a decision made by his boss to make Biscotti look even more irrational then he already did.

And no, Newsome doesn't look comfortable in front of a camera, nor does Biscotti.

That press conferance was completely out of nowhere taking everybody off guard including just about every media outlet in the area.

"OK, so? How is this a function of Ozzie?"

Are you kidding me??

You don't think decisions on who is coaching the team shouldn't be a part of the GMs job?

"Bisciotti said he got Ozzie's input. Unless you have some info that nobody else has, Im going to take Bisciotti at his word -- he hasnt given any reason not to so far. He admitted it was a spur of the moment thing so he isnt hiding anything. And who says Ozzie isnt involved? Because he left to go scout? Hate to bring you in on this one but Ozzie has scouting duties too and the East West game is an excellent opportunity to view young talent. And doesnt Ozzie already know Harbaugh personally?"

I have no doubt he got Ozzies input, and went with his "Gut" feeling as his been reported.
He also got input from Cass who took a pole within the building about what the reaction would be if Billick was let go.

I'm not saying Ozzie isn't involved, but I think if Harbaugh is brought in for a second interview, then Ozzie should be there during that process.

Unfortunately the timing of this debacle is bad which would require Ozzie to be in two places at once.

It was reported by Preston (how accurate that is I don't know) a week ago or so that Ozzie favored Marty, Biscotti favored Garrett.

He may very well be listening to Ozzies input, but watching this circus take place since the end of December tells me he isn't listening very well.

You can put your head in the sand all you want, but if you think this mess is being handled correctly by people with in depth football knowledge making rational decisions, then you're as clueless as the people who are apparently making the decisions.

[Greg]

I hope he has good success in Dallas because owners around the league have short memories. They won't forget the charade he just pulled.
Shouldn't that be "they have LONG memories?" Otherwise he means they will quickly forget, which is not what the rest of his take says.

[RavenScallywag]

i seriously hope he gets dicked over in the end...I hope Phillips becomes a great coach, and he never gets his precious Dallas coaching job. Then, he'll be forced to take over a CFL team, because on one in the NFL will give him a HC job. Or the Raiders, that'd be punishment enough too.

The more I think about this whole thing, the more pissed about it I become. This guy looks like a real sneaky ass right now, I don't know of any other coach who's gone on interviews, then decided to go back to being an OC/DC WITH TWO OFFERS ON THE TABLE.

There's going to be a stigma over him, because no one will be sure if he really thinks he can be a HC.

[RavenScallywag]

Dabruise,

Rex isn't going to be the DC in Cincy, Zimmer was already named DC.

Only way he goes there is as an Asst. Head Coach - Defense.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Garrett got a shitload of money (http://beta.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/)

As Preston said in his blog (and I can't beleive I'm agreeing with him again), all he had to do if he wanted more money was to go to Jerry and demand it. He already supposedly knew that he was going to be the next HC of the Cowboys.

I don't know how Wade feels about this, but to me, JJ and Garrett look like complete dicks here. You got an assistant who is paid more than you and is promised your job...probably in a couple years. What if Wade doesn't want to move on by the time the contract is up? What if the team suffers a bunch of injuries and underperforms?

This whole circus is just crazy.

[Dade]

What if the team suffers a bunch of injuries and underperforms?


Sounds like our team doesn't it. But seriously, what are they gonna do? First sign of trouble fire Wade and promote Garrett. JJ has done some fucked up things before but this takes the cake.

[UKRavenStockers]

For the first time that I can recall, I'll say it:

RACK MIKE PRESTON!

Good lord what have they done with the real Mike Preston? :eek:


Collective rack of Preston.

[Dabruise]

Thanks, haven't been paying that close attention. Sucks for Rex.

Professionally though probably good under the circumstances that he'll be out of Baltimore. Not sure he could get a fair shake here.

BTW, I can't blame Biscuit for having a bad taste in his mouth. I bet he's also the kind of guy to dispatch his mistakes quickly. AND he's still learning.

Whoever they bring in, can we please put an end to these SHAM camp competitions???!!! Let 'em compete for the job and put the best player on the field.

One thing i won't miss about Billick - trying to outhink the play on the field. Sometimes it just can't go deeper than that! The best players should play. BTW, everybody ought to shut up.

And while i'm on the soap box, Ray-Ray needs to go. He should have been gone 2 years ago.

[HoustonRaven]

"I dont know what presser you watched, but Ozzie was right there with Bisciotti. What information do you have that says Ozzie was out of some loop? Everything I have read was quite the opposite. Maybe he wanted Billick gone, maybe he didnt. You're simply guessing and then making statements of fact based on that guess. What does his looks have to do with it? He looked equally "lost" at the McGahee signing -- he just isnt very confortable in front of cameras."

I'm not about to go tracking back searching for quotes in articles to find where he states he wasn't in favor of firing Billick because it can't be found.

What has been shown was that Biscotti woke up and said he had a change of heart and decided to release Billick.
It was reported by the head of public relations on the Ravens' official web site that Billick was staying only for him to be fired shortly there after.

I don't need a quote written in ink to let me know that Ozzie wasn't in favor of firing Billick.
Nor do I think Ozzie would come out in a press conferance or any other form announcing his disagreement with a decision made by his boss to make Biscotti look even more irrational then he already did.

And no, Newsome doesn't look comfortable in front of a camera, nor does Biscotti.

That press conferance was completely out of nowhere taking everybody off guard including just about every media outlet in the area.

"OK, so? How is this a function of Ozzie?"

Are you kidding me??

You don't think decisions on who is coaching the team shouldn't be a part of the GMs job?

"Bisciotti said he got Ozzie's input. Unless you have some info that nobody else has, Im going to take Bisciotti at his word -- he hasnt given any reason not to so far. He admitted it was a spur of the moment thing so he isnt hiding anything. And who says Ozzie isnt involved? Because he left to go scout? Hate to bring you in on this one but Ozzie has scouting duties too and the East West game is an excellent opportunity to view young talent. And doesnt Ozzie already know Harbaugh personally?"

I have no doubt he got Ozzies input, and went with his "Gut" feeling as his been reported.
He also got input from Cass who took a pole within the building about what the reaction would be if Billick was let go.

I'm not saying Ozzie isn't involved, but I think if Harbaugh is brought in for a second interview, then Ozzie should be there during that process.

Unfortunately the timing of this debacle is bad which would require Ozzie to be in two places at once.

It was reported by Preston (how accurate that is I don't know) a week ago or so that Ozzie favored Marty, Biscotti favored Garrett.

He may very well be listening to Ozzies input, but watching this circus take place since the end of December tells me he isn't listening very well.

You can put your head in the sand all you want, but if you think this mess is being handled correctly by people with in depth football knowledge making rational decisions, then you're as clueless as the people who are apparently making the decisions.

A lot of words that all boil down to you dont have evidence one about your claims. This 100% assumptions on your part. Report after report, story after story have all agreed what a great franchise we are, how great our GM is, etc. Yet you (and a select few others) seem to think there is some boogy men in our FO, fucking everything up all the while offering no evidecne to the fact other then speculation and assumption based on some fart-like look on Ozzies face during ONE presser. :insane:

Attacks are certainly not necessary either. Until you can tell me or anyone how or where you get your "facts", all you are doing is guessing and no amount of accusing me of having me head buried changes that fact.

[RavenScallywag]

well, apparently now we're re-opening our second round of interviews, so no offer is going to be made to Harbaugh...yet

which I guess is really a good thing, if it means SB and Cass and Ozzie all learned their lesson and want to go about this thing right.

[4G63]

I'll take it! It seems Cam Cameron might have hard on for Baltimore.. he has been linked as our OC with 3 seperate HC's now...

Where did you see this? Not saying you're wrong, I just like to see where people get their info...

[RavenScallywag]

I don't have links, because a lot of these were just rumours...

Schottenheimer was rumoured to have a verbal agreement with Cameron to be OC, due to their relationship from SD.

Garrett was rumoured to be bringing him in as OC, I guess because of the Miami connection?

and it was mentioned with Harbaugh...

I think a big part of this rumour is that Cameron hasn't intervied for any HC or OC gigs yet.

[B-more Ravor]

For the first time that I can recall, I'll say it:

RACK MIKE PRESTON!



Garrett got his money, but he basically looks like a fool around the league. All he had to do was go to Jones in the first place, demand the increase and not fly around the country, putting on this dog-and-pony show. I hope he has good success in Dallas because owners around the league have short memories. They won't forget the charade he just pulled.
Garrett is young, and has been an assistant coach in the league for only three years. His lack of experience showed during this entire process.

Not that I disagree with Preston at all, but isn't there something wrong with that quote?!?!?!?

EDIT: Sorry, Greg, didn't see your post.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Pretty sure that as a brain fart by Preston.

He meant they have long memories.

[TheExtraPoint]

Pretty sure that as a brain fart by Preston.

He meant they have long memories.

Yea guys - I think Preston is entitled to make an obvious language error.

His point is pretty clear, right?


don't have links, because a lot of these were just rumours...

Schottenheimer was rumoured to have a verbal agreement with Cameron to be OC, due to their relationship from SD.

Garrett was rumoured to be bringing him in as OC, I guess because of the Miami connection?

and it was mentioned with Harbaugh...

I think a big part of this rumour is that Cameron hasn't intervied for any HC or OC gigs yet.

Not to mention - there was some discussion that Cameron might become an option if Billick was retained to be the next offensive coordinator under Brian.

[FellsPointRaven]

If we bring in Marty it really will look like the FO have no clue, or at least make their decisions on a whim.

They clearly wanted Garrett because they'd concluded it was best to go with a young guy so he could bring his ideas and he and the franchise could grow together with a view to long term success. All reliable sources have reported Harbaugh was 'option 1A' and highly regarded by the Ravens.

Bringing in Marty now would be a complete 180 from that line of thinking and really would give an impression that the FO don't know what the hell they're doing.

Hoping for Harbaugh now.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

If we bring in Marty it really will look like the FO have no clue, or at least make their decisions on a whim.

They clearly wanted Garrett because they'd concluded it was best to go with a young guy so he could bring his ideas and he and the franchise could grow together with a view to long term success. All reliable sources have reported Harbaugh was 'option 1A' and highly regarded by the Ravens.

Bringing in Marty now would be a complete 180 from that line of thinking and really would give an impression that the FO don't know what the hell they're doing.

Hoping for Harbaugh now.

Pretty much.

I'm going through the comments on the Suns site (I think the section where you can view comments on the story of Garrett situation are more indicative of what the generall Baltimore fan thinks), and most there want Marty or Rex...by far. That tells me that a lot of people think this is still a very good team.

This isn't turning out anywhere close to what the Bisciotti and Cass probably assumed would happen.

[B-more Ravor]

It's been fixed.

[Dade]

Pretty much.

I'm going through the comments on the Suns site (I think the section where you can view comments on the story of Garrett situation are more indicative of what the generall Baltimore fan thinks), and most there want Marty or Rex...by far. That tells me that a lot of people think this is still a very good team.

This isn't turning out anywhere close to what the Bisciotti and Cass probably assumed would happen.

Bisciotti and Cass probably thought Garrett was a lock. Now there are kinda lost. Harbaugh is the next best option IMO. I wouldn't be upset with Marty or Rex because this team can probably contend next year with a couple of quick fixes. But I would prefer Harbaugh because I want this team to grow together for continual success for the long term.

[B-more Ravor]

I've always thought that they had Marty set up as a viable fallback option, especially if he's got Ozzie's endorsement (as has been reported). It wouldn't surprise me if they were to revisit him as a viable candidate.

His agent was saying he wasn't interested in coaching since he likely knew that Marty was not at the top of the list and Marty wasn't going to throw his hat into the ring until he was sure he was getting the job.

All that said, I'm hoping for Harbaugh.

[TheExtraPoint]

Brian Billick deserved to be fired, in my view, because the status quo could no longer continue here.

That said, if the Ravens bring in Marty Schottenheimer (who I can't imagine would come back to oversee a rebuilding process at this late stage in his career) I can see no legitimate explanation for Brian's dismissal. Same goes for Rex if he was the next HC.

I'll continue to reserve judgment, but I would not be satisfied with Marty Schottenheimer or Rex Ryan, at least not on the surface.

[HoustonRaven]

Suggs really lost a lot of points with me last night. He was on ESPN News and said he wanted Rex as coach. That right there tells me just how far out of control that locker room may be.

I am much more comfortable about Billick being let go after hearing that. Someone needs to come in and clean house of uber egos.

Hopefully Harbaugh can do it!

[The Fanatic]

Until you can tell me or anyone how or where you get your "facts", all you are doing is guessing and no amount of accusing me of having me head buried changes that fact.


Mike Preston (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.preston09jan09,0,234842.column)

"The early word leaking out of the Ravens complex is team president Dick Cass likes Dallas Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano, Bisciotti likes Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Newsome prefers Marty Schottenheimer. All three like Indianapolis Colts assistant coach Jim Caldwell, but no one has him as his No. 1."

Kevin Byrne-The Byrne Identity (http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=15&)

"STAYING WITH BRIAN"

"I’m pretty sure some owners would have fired Brian Billick after a season like we’re having. I’m glad Steve Bisciotti did not. Steve will give his explanation when he meets with the media next Wednesday, Jan. 2."

I'd give you more written proof of your perceived opinion that I'm merely speculating with my opinions, but you simply aren't worth my time.

You want more, find it yourself.
Until then, your opinions are no more valid then mine or anybody elses on here.
This is an opinion board, which I've clearly stated mine by backing it with some level of evidence that I have at least some aspect of a clue as to what I'm talking about.

I base my opinions on what I read and hear about from people who spend actual time in that building getting paid to be there and report what they find.
You want more, find it yourself.

[HoustonRaven]

Mike Preston (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.preston09jan09,0,234842.column)

"The early word leaking out of the Ravens complex is team president Dick Cass likes Dallas Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano, Bisciotti likes Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Newsome prefers Marty Schottenheimer. All three like Indianapolis Colts assistant coach Jim Caldwell, but no one has him as his No. 1."

Kevin Byrne-The Byrne Identity (http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=15&)

"STAYING WITH BRIAN"

"I’m pretty sure some owners would have fired Brian Billick after a season like we’re having. I’m glad Steve Bisciotti did not. Steve will give his explanation when he meets with the media next Wednesday, Jan. 2."

I'd give you more written proof of your perceived opinion that I'm merely speculating with my opinions, but you simply aren't worth my time.

You want more, find it yourself.
Until then, your opinions are no more valid then mine or anybody elses on here.
This is an opinion board, which I've clearly stated mine by backing it with some level of evidence that I have at least some aspect of a clue as to what I'm talking about.

I base my opinions on what I read and hear about from people who spend actual time in that building getting paid to be there and report what they find.
You want more, find it yourself.

Oy. Im not putting my opinons over yours. Relax.

And you're really quoting Preston? His "source" to the team plays for Cleveland now. If you quoted people who actually spend time in Owings Mills (Schmuck, Hensley, Steele on occasion, etc.) I'd be in 100% agreement with you.

But for the sake of arguement, lets assume they dont garee on who their number one pick should be. So what? Find me three people who agree on pizza toppings let alone who the next coach should be. It's not indicative that things are messed up in OM.

All Im saying is I wish some would lay off the speculation and rumors when it comes to the front office, especially since other reporters (who dont have reputations of being rabble rousers) say just the opposite.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Suggs really lost a lot of points with me last night. He was on ESPN News and said he wanted Rex as coach. That right there tells me just how far out of control that locker room may be.

I am much more comfortable about Billick being let go after hearing that. Someone needs to come in and clean house of uber egos.

Hopefully Harbaugh can do it!

It seems to me that all the players (or at least the big ego ones) want Rex. There will probably be a lot of whining if Rex isn't the guy. All indications are that Rex isn't the guy.

I, therefore, want Marty. Marty is the guy who can shut up the egos. He also is the guy who will bring the best assistants with him.

[HoustonRaven]

And it now appears to be fact ....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens117,0,7763200.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout

Garrett looks like a fool now. He is now stuck with the Cowboys for good or bad.

[Greg]

And you're really quoting Preston? His "source" to the team plays for Cleveland now. If you quoted people who actually spend time in Owings Mills (Schmuck, Hensley, Steele on occasion, etc.) I'd be in 100% agreement with you.
Uh, you ASSUMING Jamal Lewis was a source, much less Preston's ONLY source is about as speculative as anything else posted here in the last 2 weeks.

Now let me clean myself off after coming that close to actually defending Preston.


And it now appears to be fact
Some of us saw that yesterday.

[camdenyard]

Ok, Garrett isn't coming here. So what. No big loss in my view.

He used us and the Falcons to squeeze a big raise and the promise of the Cowboys' HC position out of Jones. Good for him. That is what he really wanted all along, apparently.

Next man up. I have done some reading on Harbaugh and he looks impressive. And I'm sure he wants to be here. And that is what we really want anyway.

[RavenTD]

Pretty much Greg and I and a few others were saying here yesterday that Garrett leaving here without the news that he is our head coach.Was pretty much a done deal that he wasn't coming back.

And I even said that Garrett was testing the waters, with his Dallas gig as a pretty big safety net to fall back to.

And all along Garrett just :kissass: JJ's and played it safe.So lesson's learned for SB on his learning curve of being an NFL owner.

[HoustonRaven]

Uh, you ASSUMING Jamal Lewis was a source, much less Preston's ONLY source is about as speculative as anything else posted here in the last 2 weeks.

Now let me clean myself off after coming that close to actually defending Preston.

Granted. But the dude is never there. Maybe if they add a Krispy Kreme stand, he'd show up but until then, I put much more weight (pardon the pun) on the other guys who actually camp there on a regular basis.



Some of us saw that yesterday.

You speculated and happened to of been right. There is a difference between that and actually knowing.

Either way, it's still does not mean we're in disarray. Not by any stretch.

[Greg]

Granted. But the dude is never there. Maybe if they add a Krispy Kreme stand, he'd show up but until then, I put much more weight (pardon the pun) on the other guys who actually camp there on a regular basis.
I understand and agree about Preston, but he could actually talk to the Sun reporters who actually do go out to the complex.


You speculated and happened to of been right. There is a difference between that and actually knowing.
While I didn't KNOW, it was more than speculation. I do have a pretty good intuition about people and I know in sales when a person walks and gives you a "I'll get back to you" you lost that sale about 95% of the time.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

While I didn't KNOW, it was more than speculation. I do have a pretty good intuition about people and I know in sales when a person walks and gives you a "I'll get back to you" you lost that sale about 95% of the time.

Same here.

When you deal with people like that, you can get a sense of a persons personality and what he/she is about.

That is why I always said actions speak louder than words.

[RavenTD]

Hey Houston none of us really know,we just have hunches.That's what a messageboard is all about.Expressing your feelings.

Posts are like wine tasting,you have to swill it around your mouth to find out its qualities,then spit it out.You either like it or hate it.But it would be boring if all those wines had the same flavor.

To me the Ravens have swung and missed at their no1. It doesn't reflect to good on the FO to me.

[HoustonRaven]

Hey Houston none of us really know,we just have hunches.That's what a messageboard is all about.Expressing your feelings.

Posts are like wine tasting,you have to swill it around your mouth to find out its qualities,then spit it out.You either like it or hate it.But it would be boring if all those wines had the same flavor.

To me the Ravens have swung and missed at their no1. It doesn't reflect to good on the FO to me.

Agreed and I dont suggest otherwise.

I just disagree and like to debate the fact this isnt as bad a FO as some here make it out to be.

[RavenTD]

The good thing about this place over YBR is that when we disagree we don't go for each others jugular.

[The Fanatic]

I actually think this debacle makes whoever made the decision to offer Garrett the job look a little bad.

Maybe I'm wrong, but after many hours of interviewing and talking, I'd like to think the interviewer could get a pretty good feel as to whether or not the candidate Really wants the job.

Lord only knows what questions are asked and what is discussed, but I'd like to think that at some point a question along the lines of "Is your heart fully into wanting to be here in Baltimore and take on the challenges that await here"?

If it was, and Garrett answered yes, then he's either a blatant fucking lier, or as Greg said earlier, his dick shriveled up.

If he gave some type of answer along the lines that he had to think about it, and we still offered him the job, then Biscotti looks like an idiot here IMO.

Unfortunately I don't think any of us will ever knoiw the answer.

[purplepoe]

"I dont know what presser you watched, but Ozzie was right there with Bisciotti. What information do you have that says Ozzie was out of some loop? Everything I have read was quite the opposite. Maybe he wanted Billick gone, maybe he didnt. You're simply guessing and then making statements of fact based on that guess. What does his looks have to do with it? He looked equally "lost" at the McGahee signing -- he just isnt very confortable in front of cameras."

I'm not about to go tracking back searching for quotes in articles to find where he states he wasn't in favor of firing Billick because it can't be found.

What has been shown was that Biscotti woke up and said he had a change of heart and decided to release Billick.
It was reported by the head of public relations on the Ravens' official web site that Billick was staying only for him to be fired shortly there after.

I don't need a quote written in ink to let me know that Ozzie wasn't in favor of firing Billick.
Nor do I think Ozzie would come out in a press conferance or any other form announcing his disagreement with a decision made by his boss to make Biscotti look even more irrational then he already did.

And no, Newsome doesn't look comfortable in front of a camera, nor does Biscotti.

That press conferance was completely out of nowhere taking everybody off guard including just about every media outlet in the area.

"OK, so? How is this a function of Ozzie?"

Are you kidding me??

You don't think decisions on who is coaching the team shouldn't be a part of the GMs job?

"Bisciotti said he got Ozzie's input. Unless you have some info that nobody else has, Im going to take Bisciotti at his word -- he hasnt given any reason not to so far. He admitted it was a spur of the moment thing so he isnt hiding anything. And who says Ozzie isnt involved? Because he left to go scout? Hate to bring you in on this one but Ozzie has scouting duties too and the East West game is an excellent opportunity to view young talent. And doesnt Ozzie already know Harbaugh personally?"

I have no doubt he got Ozzies input, and went with his "Gut" feeling as his been reported.
He also got input from Cass who took a pole within the building about what the reaction would be if Billick was let go.

I'm not saying Ozzie isn't involved, but I think if Harbaugh is brought in for a second interview, then Ozzie should be there during that process.

Unfortunately the timing of this debacle is bad which would require Ozzie to be in two places at once.

It was reported by Preston (how accurate that is I don't know) a week ago or so that Ozzie favored Marty, Biscotti favored Garrett.

He may very well be listening to Ozzies input, but watching this circus take place since the end of December tells me he isn't listening very well.

You can put your head in the sand all you want, but if you think this mess is being handled correctly by people with in depth football knowledge making rational decisions, then you're as clueless as the people who are apparently making the decisions.

Post of the day.

The FO is flying by the seat of their pants now.

And can we please stop with this "Harbaugh was 1A" stuff?

Their #1 guy walked out on Tuesday and wasn't coming back. We discussed on this board. We didn't "know" for a fact but damned if we weren't almost 100% sure that was the case.

But we left the offer out there for another 36 hours. Instead of pulling the damn deal and moving on we get to sit and squirm while Garrett goes to Atlanta and ultimately back to Dallas where he decides today that he will stay there.

If Harbaugh was 1A his ass would've been down here as soon as Garrett announced his decision.

But he's not. You know why? Because the FO is gonna have another "meeting" to discuss their next course of action.

How they couldn't figure out that Garrett coming here was slim to none as soon as he left the complex is absolutely beyond me.

We certainly DO have egg on our face. Does Garrett? Maybe. But we were the ones held hostage when we could've cut bait and gone in a different direction.

And why isn't Harbaugh being courted by anyone else? Anyone heard him even mentioned for other jobs?

The FO overplayed their hand and it's obvious. I bet they still can't believe Garrett walked out on Tuesday without signing.

This isn't about the sky falling or throwing in the towel on the team.

It's about realizing that this job isn't nearly as good as it's perceived by some in the FO and in this town.

It's about realizing that that Bisciotti made a rash decision and basically had no plan at all. Aaron Wilson even went so far as to say that their plan was "anybody but Billick".

Less than a year ago Steve Bisciotti signed Billick to a 4 year deal and something to the effect of "I hope Brian is my coach for the next 15 years". Some would argue that giving him such a long deal was a rash decision. Then, in a blink of an eye, he cans him with no real idea in mind of who was gonna replace him. Another rash decision. And this isn't about Billick. It's about the handling of the firing and everything since then. They went full out for Garrett. Hell, the interviewed 2 MUCH less sought after guys in Schottenheimer and Harbaugh. Why those guys? IMO it's because they had a massive hard on for Garrett. So you throw a bone to a few lesser known or less desirable guys and really just want that #1.

Well now that's gone to shit and we are sitting here pretending that Harbaugh was close to Garrett in terms of how much each was wanted here?

Again, if that's the case then we'd be discussing who Harbaugh would be bringing in on his staff because he'd be the coach right now.

PP

[highwater]

Less than a year ago Steve Bisciotti signed Billick to a 4 year deal and something to the effect of "I hope Brian is my coach for the next 15 years". Some would argue that giving him such a long deal was a rash decision. Then, in a blink of an eye, he cans him with no real idea in mind of who was gonna replace him. Another rash decision. And this isn't about Billick. It's about the handling of the firing and everything since then.

Agreed -- some of us have been saying this all along. It's got nothing to do with being patient about hiring a new HC, or being in a rush to hire a new HC, it's that the whole process has seemed disorganized and disjointed. It has seemed ever since the press conference that Bisciotti fired Billick on an impulse and had not given any thought at all as to how to replace him.

I heard today on some local radio station that they are bringing Brian Schotty back for a second interview. I almost ran off the road. WTF?

I don't know how this is playing around the league, but it doesn't look good to me.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Post of the day.

The FO is flying by the seat of their pants now.

And can we please stop with this "Harbaugh was 1A" stuff?

Their #1 guy walked out on Tuesday and wasn't coming back. We discussed on this board. We didn't "know" for a fact but damned if we weren't almost 100% sure that was the case.

But we left the offer out there for another 36 hours. Instead of pulling the damn deal and moving on we get to sit and squirm while Garrett goes to Atlanta and ultimately back to Dallas where he decides today that he will stay there.

If Harbaugh was 1A his ass would've been down here as soon as Garrett announced his decision.

But he's not. You know why? Because the FO is gonna have another "meeting" to discuss their next course of action.

How they couldn't figure out that Garrett coming here was slim to none as soon as he left the complex is absolutely beyond me.

We certainly DO have egg on our face. Does Garrett? Maybe. But we were the ones held hostage when we could've cut bait and gone in a different direction.

And why isn't Harbaugh being courted by anyone else? Anyone heard him even mentioned for other jobs?

The FO overplayed their hand and it's obvious. I bet they still can't believe Garrett walked out on Tuesday without signing.

This isn't about the sky falling or throwing in the towel on the team.

It's about realizing that this job isn't nearly as good as it's perceived by some in the FO and in this town.

It's about realizing that that Bisciotti made a rash decision and basically had no plan at all. Aaron Wilson even went so far as to say that their plan was "anybody but Billick".

Less than a year ago Steve Bisciotti signed Billick to a 4 year deal and something to the effect of "I hope Brian is my coach for the next 15 years". Some would argue that giving him such a long deal was a rash decision. Then, in a blink of an eye, he cans him with no real idea in mind of who was gonna replace him. Another rash decision. And this isn't about Billick. It's about the handling of the firing and everything since then. They went full out for Garrett. Hell, the interviewed 2 MUCH less sought after guys in Schottenheimer and Harbaugh. Why those guys? IMO it's because they had a massive hard on for Garrett. So you throw a bone to a few lesser known or less desirable guys and really just want that #1.

Well now that's gone to shit and we are sitting here pretending that Harbaugh was close to Garrett in terms of how much each was wanted here?

Again, if that's the case then we'd be discussing who Harbaugh would be bringing in on his staff because he'd be the coach right now.

PP

Yup.

But some people want to keep thier heads in the sand.

Look, I understand Bisciotti's frustration. Since he took over the team 4 years ago, we have made the playoffs exactly one time and in 2 of those seasons had our worst seasons since 98. All this despite a roster that routinely had quite a bit of pro-bowl talent. We all are frustrated here.

But he has made a couple significant blunders since he has been here. It was dumb to award Billick a 4 year extension at that price when he hadn't won a playoff game in 6 years. That has cost him upwards of $15 million dollars...I k now that isn't my money, but hell, that could go towards a new coach, Suggs' signing bonus...hell maybe even kick out that cash to install some escalators at the stadium lol.

Then he sees the wheels falling off over the course of the second half of the season. I find it hard to beleive that you season is going down the drain with a coach that is looking like he has lost the team and you don't internally start thinking about a replacement...just in case you do let him go? Then you decide to let him go in teh middle of the night, it is news to many of the essential FO staff who are completely unprepared for the consequences and hold a rushed ill advised press conference.

Now what? Like Aaron said on the radio today, this was a firing that essentially was an "anybody buy Billick" firing. They didn't have time to do any research on whether any of the candidates they may have decided to look at were interested and as a result, half the names pulled out almost immediately.

Then you get the guy you really want, after 2 weeks of scrambling for candidates and interviews and are so confident that this guy will take the job, they let the offer sit on the table only to be embarrassed in the end when he decides he would rather be a coordinator than be the HC of your team.

Now what? We all were beleiving that Harbaugh was next man up, but now we are hearing that Garrett was so far out in front and the team so confident that he would take the job, they really didn't think there was any possiblity it would come to this...so lets interview some more people.

It's just very sloppy...and the team comes off as being very arrogant.

In the end, I hope we get a good guy...and I beleive we will, but I just hope Steve has learned from this...and learned big time.

[Rayvens52]

if this was the guy they really wanted he would be here, it is a fact that we offered him $2.5 million they wanted $3 and we would not budge, if they really wanted him do you think for one second $500k would stand in the way, not a chance. This is the best thing that could have happened for us, why is he such a great coach all of a sudden becuase he was thrown into a dallas team loaded with talent on O and wow he is an offensive guru (sounds like billick to me) We need a Defensive minded coach in here period, look at the majority of the coaches in the playoffs the last couple of years, most were d coaches before thier HC gig.

[purplepoe]

if this was the guy they really wanted he would be here, it is a fact that we offered him $2.5 million they wanted $3 and we would not budge, if they really wanted him do you think for one second $500k would stand in the way, not a chance. This is the best thing that could have happened for us, why is he such a great coach all of a sudden becuase he was thrown into a dallas team loaded with talent on O and wow he is an offensive guru (sounds like billick to me) We need a Defensive minded coach in here period, look at the majority of the coaches in the playoffs the last couple of years, most were d coaches before thier HC gig.

LOL.

Wow, you are so far up our front office's ass it's not even funny.

It's got nothing to do with him turning out to be a good coach or not.

And you're really buying the 500K story?

Bisciotti and Co. wanted Garrett BAD.

And he said no.

PP

[Raveninwoodlawn]

if this was the guy they really wanted he would be here, it is a fact that we offered him $2.5 million they wanted $3 and we would not budge, if they really wanted him do you think for one second $500k would stand in the way, not a chance. This is the best thing that could have happened for us, why is he such a great coach all of a sudden becuase he was thrown into a dallas team loaded with talent on O and wow he is an offensive guru (sounds like billick to me) We need a Defensive minded coach in here period, look at the majority of the coaches in the playoffs the last couple of years, most were d coaches before thier HC gig.

Wow.

Ok, if that's what you want to believe...

[Rayvens52]

LOL.

Wow, you are so far up our front office's ass it's not even funny.

It's got nothing to do with him turning out to be a good coach or not.

And you're really buying the 500K story?

Bisciotti and Co. wanted Garrett BAD.

And he said no.

PP

I am not saying he didn't want the guy or he didn't say no, i am saying if this was the guy they had to have, the absolute number 1 man we could have gotten him. Maybe they are just as content with Harbaugh or someone else. I am not up the front office's ass, i just trust the guys who have tons of money vested in the team, and careers to get the job done. Sorry I have trust in a FO the drafts pretty damn well every year, gives us decent playoff runs every couple years (better then most teams) then jumping on your bandwagon of everything this team does is bad, all of the players are bad, i hate the FO.

[purplepoe]

I am not saying he didn't want the guy or he didn't say no, i am saying if this was the guy they had to have, the absolute number 1 man we could have gotten him. Maybe they are just as content with Harbaugh or someone else. I am not up the front office's ass, i just trust the guys who have tons of money vested in the team, and careers to get the job done. Sorry I have trust in a FO the drafts pretty damn well every year, gives us decent playoff runs every couple years (better then most teams) then jumping on your bandwagon of everything this team does is bad, all of the players are bad, i hate the FO.

So we could've gotten Garrett but we didn't? You honestly think that?

Who the hell are you to say what I do whenever things go bad? You've seen my posts on a message board for how long exactly? You have no clue what you are talking about.

I got news for you dude, expressing concern and voicing displeasure isn't saying everything this team does is bad and all of the players are bad. Hate the FO?

Listen, if you want to have adult conversations then start acting like one.

Your stunning jumps to conclusions and assumptions are ridiculous.

Reading your last sentence (if that's what you call it) is laughable.

PP

[Raveninwoodlawn]

jumping on your bandwagon of everything this team does is bad, all of the players are bad, i hate the FO.

WTF?

And teams that have won a playoff game since we last won one...

Patriots
Steelers
Eagles
Panthers
Bears
Chargers
Colts
Jets
Titans
Jaguars
Broncos
Redskins
Giants
Falcons
Saints
Packers
49ers
Seattle

[Greg]

I heard today on some local radio station that they are bringing Brian Schotty back for a second interview. I almost ran off the road. WTF?
Why not just ahead and hire Mike Shula or Chris Palmer and trade up to ths first slot and draft a big fucking bust at QB and be done with it.

We are getting down to the stiffs we used to laugh at when the Clowns and Bungles paraded them out on the side of the field.

Harbaugh seems to come with a decent reputation. But some of these jokers . . .

[Rayvens52]

So we could've gotten Garrett but we didn't? You honestly think that?

Who the hell are you to say what I do whenever things go bad? You've seen my posts on a message board for how long exactly? You have no clue what you are talking about.

I got news for you dude, expressing concern and voicing displeasure isn't saying everything this team does is bad and all of the players are bad. Hate the FO?

Listen, if you want to have adult conversations then start acting like one.

Your stunning jumps to conclusions and assumptions are ridiculous.

Reading your last sentence (if that's what you call it) is laughable.

PP

You are right you have every right to voice your displeasures about this team,i just don't agree with all of them. I think you are right about what Cmac said though about not wanting to come in early and learn a new system is just downright stupid. Them acting like this is all due to billick though, and him being gone, regardless of who comes in should solve it unless we get another billick type coach.

[purplepoe]

You are right you have every right to voice your displeasures about this team,i just don't agree with all of them. I think you are right about what Cmac said though about not wanting to come in early and learn a new system is just downright stupid. Them acting like this is all due to billick though, and him being gone, regardless of who comes in should solve it unless we get another billick type coach.

You don't think Bisciotti fostered alot of this?

Bringing Ray to Terps basketball games?

I believe the line between boss and employee has definitely been blurred.

You can blame this all on Billick but Im not gonna. Sure, he deserves his fair share. And I can understand the argument that he had to go. But I think we're gonna see (IMO we already have) that our problems run much deeper than Brian Billick.

And Billick treated those guys like "men" and they took advantage and now we are left with what we have.

The thing that they loved Billick for eventually came back to bite him in the ass.

PP

[Rayvens52]

You don't think Bisciotti fostered a lot of this?

Bringing Ray to Terps basketball games?

I believe the line between boss and employee has definitely been blurred.

You can blame this all on Billick but I'm not gonna. Sure, he deserves his fair share. And I can understand the argument that he had to go. But I think we're gonna see (IMO we already have) that our problems run much deeper than Brian Billick.

And Billick treated those guys like "men" and they took advantage and now we are left with what we have.

The thing that they loved Billick for eventually came back to bite him in the ass.

PP


I don't have to many issues with him taking Ray to a Terps game, ray's brother plays there and it is just a sporting event. I would have an issue if he was taking him on vacation. Bisciotti can take a part of the blame as he is the owner, but the reason I blame him is it his job to keep the players in check, to make sure we don't commit dumb penalties etc, not biscotti's job that is one big reason he lost his job IMO. Look i am not saying we don"t have work to do as a team, and these players don't have huge ego's. I am just saying i think this pretty par for the league. I personally feel those injuries were a lot bigger than most people do, i just don't believe 13-3 in this league is a fluke and then you can just fall to 5-11, but who knows wouldn't be the first time i was wrong.

[crazyraven]

You can blame this all on Billick but Im not gonna. Sure, he deserves his fair share. And I can understand the argument that he had to go. But I think we're gonna see (IMO we already have) that our problems run much deeper than Brian Billick.

Man I've been agreeing too much with you lately but you are spot on with that statement.

and kudos to greg for this line


We are getting down to the stiffs we used to laugh at when the Clowns and Bungles paraded them out on the side of the field.

There is no one out there...Marty Ball...please

[RavenScallywag]

I think I'd be all for the whole "re-thinking of our HC search", except that I can't think of anyone outside of the people we interviewed that would be a better candidate.

Jim Schwartz maybe, but there appears to be some problem between him and the FO. Who else? No one's name comes to mind, other than Cowher, who won't come back at all, and Schottenheimer, who I'm not totally for bringing in, due to his age (I'd rather get someone to be our HC for the long haul) and his demeanor (I want someone to get control of the locker room, but Marty might alienate them).

I hope we bring Harbaugh in sometime in the next few days, I think he's the best second interview we've got, so let's get him under the microscope first!

[Greg]

I don't have to many issues with him taking Ray to a Terps game, ray's brother plays there and it is just a sporting event.
The problem is it takes away any chance of the HC keeping Ray in check. Ray can do whatever he wants, and he is responsible enough to watch tons of films and keep himself in tip-top shape, but he does cause issues when he calls out the HC about play-calling and such. Billick had no way to handle that. What's he supposed to say to Ray? Do that again and no Terps games for a month?

Bisciotti has to separate himself from his players, he can take coaches and FO people to these games but he shouldn't fraternize with the players. It undermines the HC's authority. As a businessman he should know that better than anybody.

[B-more Ravor]

I think I'd be all for the whole "re-thinking of our HC search", except that I can't think of anyone outside of the people we interviewed that would be a better candidate.

Not that they are necessarily better, but other possible candidates I can think of are:

Giants' DC, Steve Spagnuolo - but he's also in his first year as a coordinator
Jim Mora, Jr.
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary
Ron Rivera

[festivus]

Not that they are necessarily better, but other possible candidates I can think of are:

Giants' DC, Steve Spagnuolo - but he's also in his first year as a coordinator
Jim Mora, Jr.
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary
Ron Rivera

I don't know about the others, but Aaron Wilson discussed Singletary yesterday afternoon on NST. He described Singletary as inexperienced, and not a hard worker, and not someone showing the tools of leadership you would expect of a HC.

Yes he has a big name. But that's it.

[AZRAVEN]

The problem is it takes away any chance of the HC keeping Ray in check. Ray can do whatever he wants, and he is responsible enough to watch tons of films and keep himself in tip-top shape, but he does cause issues when he calls out the HC about play-calling and such. Billick had no way to handle that. What's he supposed to say to Ray? Do that again and no Terps games for a month?

Bisciotti has to separate himself from his players, he can take coaches and FO people to these games but he shouldn't fraternize with the players. It undermines the HC's authority. As a businessman he should know that better than anybody.

:iagree: Mr Whimsey can't seem to decide which side of the team he wants to be on, management or players. Smart bosses don't fraternize with the help in a personal manner. It sends the wrong message. As I recall Billick's public undressing a couple years ago was as a result of another of Mr Whimsey's "polls" of people at the palace who felt Billick was all things terrible and needed to change his ways. So, as a result of these findings Billick is set before a TV camera and reamed out. This team knew right then that they had him, he was done and they had the reins. Now, yet another "poll by Mr Whimsey determines that, surprise, surprise, Billick has lost the locker room. What the hell did that dumshit think would happen when he publically castrated him?
Personally, I think Garrett made the right decision. Anybody with more than scrambled eggs for brains will think long and hard before working for an owner with no loyalty to his HC. As of right now, we are selecting from the ranks of the unranked prospects. Serves Mr Whimsey right he is reaping what he sowed.

[StingerNLG]

And Billick treated those guys like "men" and they took advantage and now we are left with what we have.

The thing that they loved Billick for eventually came back to bite him in the ass.

PP

I can't keep up in these threads like i used to, but this stuck out at me.

Can our new HC be different? And more importantly, if he is; does Ray get to go above his head and talk right to Biscotti everytime he's unhappy with what the coach does?

I find it impossible to believe Billick's firing had NOTHING to do with players input. I am just not that gullible. Some players get to run aspects of this team, and that goes all the way to the top.

[AZRAVEN]

You bet that's exactly what will happen. It worked in the past for the players so as the old saying goes I'll keep doing what I'm doing until you make me stop. Mr Whimsey isn't going to make them stop because he's already established the pattern.