Decision Day for Garrett

[HoustonRaven]

Ed Werder, who unlike Clayton, seems to be the guy in the know about Garrett and the Ravens. He is reporting that Garrett had his interview with the Falcons last night. Kinda odd it happened at night if you ask me.

Since both interviews are done, I have to think today or tomorrow will be decision day for Garrett.

Either he decides by the close of business tomorrow or we decide for him by telling him to pound sand.

[RavenScallywag]

I'm hearing that we're going to feed his ego by trying to give him time and space to decide...Basically, we're bringing in John Harbaugh as a backup plan in case he runs off on us, so we don't get caught with our pants completely down.

[highwater]

He is reporting that Garrett had his interview with the Falcons last night. Kinda odd it happened at night if you ask me.

If that's true, he had a very busy day. I think that's a little odd too.

If the Falcons made him an offer, then it shouldn't be too long before we hear some news.

[RavenScallywag]

But I think he wants to go roost with JJ too, so who knows...I think our offer is being honored through the weekend, so if he doesn't decide by then, hopefully we're going to pull out of the Garrett sweepstakes.

[HoustonRaven]

I also have to think JJ is out of the picture at this point. JJ does have deep pockets, but to start a 3 way bidding war and able to keep up without offering the HC title seems unlikely.

I think our chances are still good -- 75% IMO.

But there does come a point when him taking time turns into a "shit or get off the pot" moment.

[Greg]

Either he decides by the close of business tomorrow or we decide for him by telling him to pound sand.
And back to my metaphor: "If she doesn't accept my invitation to the prom by 6:30 on prom night that's it!"

He already gave us his answer.

[ravenjoe]

He already gave us his answer.

I agree! Let's move on!

[HoustonRaven]

And back to my metaphor: "If she doesn't accept my invitation to the prom by 6:30 on prom night that's it!"

He already gave us his answer.

Jamison Hensley was just on ESPN First Take and said "negotiations continue" as of this morning. There was also a report that new Atlanta GM does not want to "rush to hire someone".

I hope I can hire 100 people like you, Greg. I would be able to get you on the cheep since you seem to not have a clue about shopping your talent around for the best offer. ;)

[RavenScallywag]

Houston, I can't think of many HC getting hired AFTER trying to shop themselves to other teams...Most HC, they go straight for their favored opportunity and take it.

Preston mentioned that he's trying to do this, but thinks it may backfire on him. I don't think it will, because if the Falcons and Ravens withdraw their offers and he stays in Dallas, it's pretty much win-win...If Phillips does bad, Garrett becomes HC next year. If Phillips does really good, Garrett has another year of experience to add on his HC resume (though he'll likely have worse openings to go for)

[HoustonRaven]

Houston, I can't think of many HC getting hired AFTER trying to shop themselves to other teams...Most HC, they go straight for their favored opportunity and take it.

Preston mentioned that he's trying to do this, but thinks it may backfire on him. I don't think it will, because if the Falcons and Ravens withdraw their offers and he stays in Dallas, it's pretty much win-win...If Phillips does bad, Garrett becomes HC next year. If Phillips does really good, Garrett has another year of experience to add on his HC resume (though he'll likely have worse openings to go for)

If there was something strange about Garrett's move, it would be all over the news and labeled unprecedented. With that said, I DO agree in this situation that if Garrett walked, the chances of him actually signing now have diminished. I still stand by my 75% chance, given what Hensley said this morning. If any of you play poker, you know how precarious 75% can be! ;)

Still though, there is nothing out there (media reports, statements, quotes, etc) to suggest this is nothing more than a guy weighing his options.

[Greg]

I hope I can hire 100 people like you, Greg. I would be able to get you on the cheep since you seem to not have a clue about shopping your talent around for the best offer.
You have continued to insult people in one way or another through these threads, try turning that off and addressing the posts and not insulting the posters.


If there was something strange about Garrett's move, it would be all over the news and labeled unprecedented.
There is nothing strange or unprecedented about a coach passing on a team he feels is a train wreck.

[HoustonRaven]

You have continued to insult people in one way or another through these threads, try turning that off and addressing the posts and not insulting the posters.

You took the wink off of my quote, I see. It was a friendly jab. Going forward, I will make it clear that my sarcasm is apparent.


There is nothing strange or unprecedented about a coach passing on a team he feels is a train wreck.

Show me something that says he passed other then your assumptions.

Train Wreck? The only people that are saying we're a train wreck are a very select few on these boards. By all accounts, we run a tight and respectable FO. If you wish to throw the entire team under the bus based on the Billick firing, I suppose that's your right.

[Greg]

Show me something that says he passed other then your assumptions.
HE LEFT! HE DID NOT TAKE THE JOB! That is passing.

If he ends up here, which is a possibility, it will be because he is settling out of his choices. It won't be because he wanted to be here in this great organization with the great reputation. The Ravens had that not too long ago, now apparently not. That is the point of all of my takes.

Something has happened to sour what was once an appealing organization, at least to some degree.


Train Wreck? The only people that are saying we're a train wreck are a very select few on these boards. By all accounts, we run a tight and respectable FO. If you wish to throw the entire team under the bus based on the Billick firing, I suppose that's your right.
The only thing the train wreck description has to do with the Billick firing is the COMPLETELY SHABBY way it was handled. Do you think that hasn't been noticed by people like Garrett?

[HoustonRaven]

HE LEFT! HE DID NOT TAKE THE JOB! That is passing.

No. It's called keeping your options open. Right now, our FO is leaking like a faucet. If he officially declined, we would know it. With that said, he may still say No and that will be that. He's doing what any of us would do given the amount of money and prestige that is at stake.


If he ends up here, which is a possibility, it will be because he is settling out of his choices. It won't be because he wanted to be here in this great organization with the great reputation. The Ravens had that not too long ago, now apparently not. That is the point of all of my takes.

Your basing this on the Billick firing? Again, you assume the worst about our FO based on NOTHING. You have issues with the manner of which BB was fired. Fine. That's valid. But then you proceed to throw the entire FO under the buss because of other assumptions as well? All Im trying to say to you, through my sarcasm aimed at you, is that you have zero clue what is really going on and until this all plays out, you are only assuming based on nothing.


Something has happened to sour what was once an appealing organization, at least to some degree.

:grbac: Again, read above.


The only thing the train wreck description has to do with the Billick firing is the COMPLETELY SHABBY way it was handled. Do you think that hasn't been noticed by people like Garrett?

Of course its been noticed! It would be stupid of me to say in one breath how smart and shrewed Garrett is to not then think its not a concern for him. What Im NOT willing to assume (and you seem perfectly comfortable with) is throwing the entire FO under the bus based on ill-informed assumptions. I happen to think (as many other who are much closer to the action then either of us) that we have a strong and hungry FO. Yes, they make mistakes -- in any human endeavor, mistakes are made. But what you seem so apt to do is torch any and all hope based on gut feelings, hairs on the back of your neck, PR gaffs, etc.

[HoustonRaven]

and to use a metaphor you're so fond of ....

Your date has called you to rechedule, but instead of taking her at her word, you assume shes bailing on you completely and then reject her before she has a chance of doing it herself.

Note: Heavy sarcasm! Greg, we may disagree completely, but in the end we're on the same team and I do respect you! :)

[UKRavenGordon]

If Garrett picks us, great, fantastic!!!

If not, then it'll be Harbaugh, also fantastic!!!

I like both of them and would be happy with either of them.

That puts me in the minority I suppose.....

[Rayvens52]

If Garrett picks us, great, fantastic!!!

If not, then it'll be Harbaugh, also fantastic!!!

I like both of them and would be happy with either of them.

That puts me in the minority I suppose.....

No i am with you, because Harbaugh has about as much appeal as Garrett does. They are both young, fairly inexperienced guys, JUST LIKE BILLICK WAS WHEN HE CAME HERE. Everyone is just on Garrets nuts because Dallas had a good year and now everyone knows his name.

[Khaine]

If Garrett picks us, great, fantastic!!!

If not, then it'll be Harbaugh, also fantastic!!!

I like both of them and would be happy with either of them.

That puts me in the minority I suppose.....

:thumbup: Count me in on this group as well. :iagree:

[HoustonRaven]

If Garrett picks us, great, fantastic!!!

If not, then it'll be Harbaugh, also fantastic!!!

I like both of them and would be happy with either of them.

That puts me in the minority I suppose.....

me 3 :iagree:

The more I read about Harbaugh, the more I like his style. Garrett is still my number 1 but Harbaugh is definitely nothing to sneeze at.

[Rxdoxx]

To me, it does seem highly unusual that someone would leave for another interview if they were really serious about accepting the job offer.
I can understand "checking out all options" part.

One thought on this is that we have a candidate who isn't desperate (read that super-ambitious) for a HC job, and that is kind of refreshing.
How many former head coaches or HC wannabees have jumped at the chance to be a HC, even though the situation was lousey??
Joe Bugel to Arizona comes to mind without even considering the Oakland parade.
I'd be willing to cede a day or two, but with the understanding that this is in no way similar to the space we give Ogden. This door ain't going to be open that long, but because we are the organization we are, we do it because of our Class.
I'd just say to him that the clock is ticking, and to some degree your reputation in the eyes of others is also undergoing some evaluation, so be very smart about it. If you burn somebody, or really just use others, it will be remembered.

[Rayvens52]

there is nothing on espn, or atlanta's website saying Garret is in town or expected to be, except for that great "league source" IMO i do not think an offer was made except baltimore saying you are a top prospect but we want to interview more people. why is it so hard to believe we didn't offer the guy a spot yet, just because some "league source" says we did means shit.

[Greg]

Originally Posted by Greg
If he ends up here, which is a possibility, it will be because he is settling out of his choices. It won't be because he wanted to be here in this great organization with the great reputation. The Ravens had that not too long ago, now apparently not. That is the point of all of my takes.

Your basing this on the Billick firing?
What? I didn't even MENTION Billick being fired and again, other than the fact the he was mishandled completely and that is probably part of any HC candidate's consideration, Billick has ZERO to do with my takes.

Look, Billick's time may have been up here, I am not arguing that, but his dismissal was not handled well. Are you arguing that? The press conference was . . . WEIRD, to say the least.

Do you think Billick's firing is the only thing that I believe makes our franchise look not well run? The press conference, the owner interviewing players, water boys and janitors about the HC, the locker room issues, etc. There are a number of reasons we can see, and who knows what we don't know behind the scenes that is circulating around the league.

Harbaugh might be our hire and end up being 10 times the HC Garrett ever is, but that doesn't change the fact that people are passing when they used to WANT to come here.


Your date has called you to rechedule, but instead of taking her at her word, you assume shes bailing on you completely and then reject her before she has a chance of doing it herself.
Has Garrett called to reschedule or given us the "I'll be in touch" treatment?


. . . IMO i do not think an offer was made . . .
purplepoe posted a number of links, etc noting an offer was made. WE MADE AN OFFER. He actually asked for a crap load more, like twice the offer and apparently came down off of that. But in the end he passed ON AN OFFER WE MADE.

[HoustonRaven]

This was just on ESPN first take ....

Dan Pompei, writer from the Chicago Tribune (parent paper to The Setting Sun), stated former Cowboys QB Troy Aikmen called the Ravens yesterday to voice his support for Jason Garrett.

[Rayvens52]

purplepoe posted a number of links, etc noting an offer was made. WE MADE AN OFFER. He actually asked for a crap load more, like twice the offer and apparently came down off of that. But in the end he passed ON AN OFFER WE MADE.

In every one of those links it just says a league source. Until i hear it from the ravens mouth themsleves i am not 100% sold that it was done, but for argument sake lets say the offer was made, then if Aikman did indeed call the ravens to offer his support that means Garrett wants the job. Maybe his agent said hey walk away and see if they offer more money. If they don't budge you can still have the job but hey maybe you and me get more money.

[RavenTD]

I wonder how long this will drag on? I know you don't rush into these life changing decisions. But the door is not going to stay open forever.

Garrett is obviously in a swirl with all this attention.And is just trying to clear his head and straighten things out.Maybe in the back of his mind he may not think he is quite ready for a HC gig yet.And is just getting a taste of the action,feeling the water.Its a good time to try it,with that Cowboy OC safety net hanging behind you.

Garrett you are on the clock.

[Greg]

Dan Pompei, writer from the Chicago Tribune (parent paper to The Setting Sun), stated former Cowboys QB Troy Aikmen called the Ravens yesterday to voice his support for Jason Garrett.
And?


Until i hear it from the ravens mouth themsleves i am not 100% sold that it was done, but for argument sake lets say the offer was made, then if Aikman did indeed call the ravens to offer his support that means Garrett wants the job. Maybe his agent said hey walk away and see if they offer more money. If they don't budge you can still have the job but hey maybe you and me get more money.
Aikman called yesterday, that would be WHILE Garrett was here. If Garrett wanted the job he would have it.

If he wants money let him go back to Dallas, the offer was for $2.5 mil per year which is plenty reasonable. And if he merits it, Bisciotti would give him a raise in a few years.

[HoustonRaven]

I wonder how long this will drag on? I know you don't rush into these life changing decisions. But the door is not going to stay open forever.

Garrett is obviously in a swirl with all this attention.And is just trying to clear his head and straighten things out.Maybe in the back of his mind he may not think he is quite ready for a HC gig yet.And is just getting a taste of the action,feeling the water.Its a good time to try it,with that Cowboy OC safety net hanging behind you.

Garrett you are on the clock.

Agreed.

We're in a win-win as well. Yes we wont get our top choice (should Garrett decide to bail) but we're far from being in trouble. We're still a desired location for any prospect and we have an owner who is committed to winning -- unlike our Baseball counterpart.

The more I read about Harbaugh, the more I like.

[jonboy79]

How us $2.5m plenty when you are at the same time saying you better do bettter then the guy we are paying $5m.yr NOT to be here?

[HoustonRaven]

And?


Aikman called yesterday, that would be WHILE Garrett was here. If Garrett wanted the job he would have it.

If he wants money let him go back to Dallas, the offer was for $2.5 mil per year which is plenty reasonable. And if he merits it, Bisciotti would give him a raise in a few years.

I was passing along information -- yeah, I must have a giant Greg bulls eye on my back.

How do you know the offer? Was it made public?

[Purpleguy]

How us $2.5m plenty when you are at the same time saying you better do bettter then the guy we are paying $5m.yr NOT to be here?

Billick was a proven winner. Garrett has never been a HC and only has 3 years coaching experience.

I will say one thing though, and that's that 2.5 mil is worth alot more in Texas or Georgia than it is here. When you take into account the taxes and the cost of living we lose a big edge in MD.

[Heap86]

I don't understand why Jason Garrett leaving Baltimore was ultimately a rejection.

Head Coaching will eventually be the same a Free Agency, the coaches will make there visits or "interviews" and mull over contract offers.

Garrett is in a good situation now, he makes decent coin and coaches a winning team while another guy (Phillips) deals with all the headaches. He has to think long and hard about the stress levels of being the "head honcho" of a veteran team with problems.

Its only smart to take your time with big decisions, if anything he should be comended for being business savy.

When you are looking for work, you put in applications and resumes and when you are offered multiple jobs you decide which job you want. Its only smart to weight his options and decide what he wants to do, just because he did'nt immediatly say "I'll take it" doesn't mean he is rejecting us.

Some of you guys need to step away from the edge, this board is transforming into something pretty close to YBR.

[ravenwoman]

If Garrett picks us, great, fantastic!!!

If not, then it'll be Harbaugh, also fantastic!!!

I like both of them and would be happy with either of them.

That puts me in the minority I suppose.....

:iagree:

Haven't any of you interviewed for multiple jobs in your related profession? I have and nobody held it against me. I am so amazed that people cannot realize that Jason Garrett is weighing his options. He has the right to do that. He also gave his word to Arthur Blank that he would do a second interview with him. If he broke his word, what kind of man would he be? The NFL has only 32 head coaching jobs and if he is fired in the future, Atlanta might remember what a jerk he was when interviewing with us.

Both Garrett and Harbaugh are promising candidates and quite frankly, I think the difference between them is negligable. If Plan "A" fails, go to Plan "B".

[Greg]

Haven't any of you interviewed for multiple jobs in your related profession?
Yes, but if one company is the place you REALLY want to be and they make you a good offer you grab it.

$2.5 million is more than a lot of HCs are making right now with experience, it is a fair offer.


I was passing along information -- yeah, I must have a giant Greg bulls eye on my back.
Quit being so sensitive. Just tossing up information on a discussion board without adding some kind of point of view is bad form. You aren't the first person who has been called on it.

[purplepoe]

there is nothing on espn, or atlanta's website saying Garret is in town or expected to be, except for that great "league source" IMO i do not think an offer was made except baltimore saying you are a top prospect but we want to interview more people. why is it so hard to believe we didn't offer the guy a spot yet, just because some "league source" says we did means shit.

Are you serious?

An offer was made.

PP

[UKRavenGordon]

I have yet to be let down by our front office and ownership. After the 6-10 year many were calling for Billick's head. They decided to give him another shot, which more than likely was down to their collective "gut feelings". What happened? We went 13-3.

Look at the way this team drafts, hell look at the way we do everything. Now I'm not saying we get everything right, but we get enough right that I feel confident in the top of the food chain.

I'd put money on it right now, whoever gets the job, we'll be a playoff team next year and division champs within two. Within five years I expect at least a championship game.

Bitch and moan about Billick not deliverying an offense, he didn't do that for 9 years, thats not what got him fired. What got him fired was losing 11 games and being the only team to lose to Miami.

If Garrett gets the job, never develops a QB or an offense yet we hoist the lombardi again - are you really going to moan about the offense?

If Harbaugh gets the job, the D starts to decline and we win the Superbowl based only on scoring via special teams - are we realy going to care.

It's not how you do it, its doing it that counts.

This FO consistantly has put us in a position to make a run every 2-3 years since 2000. We will get back to the promised land.....and I couldn't care less how we do it, or who the coach is......as long as we get there.

[ed from Bel Air]

I agree UKRG. I have faith in Ozzie. I would like Garrett, but the more I hear and read about Harbaugh, the more I like him. I agree with the overall approach. I want a long term leader, even if he has to learn a LITTLE ON THE JOB, not a short term, maybe we can get to the SB next year type like Marty.

Anyway with the college all star games coming up, we will not have to wait long. We will have a coach by Friday

[HoustonRaven]

3:30 AM and I cant sleep! :(

ESPN News is reporting several unnamed staff members over at the Cowboys FO are saying Garrett will indeed pass on both the Baltimore and Atlanta jobs. No formal announcement is scheduled but one is forthcoming.

I hate unnamed reports so I take it with a grain of salt. With that said, if Carrot Top wants to dick around much longer, we should pull the offer. Harbaugh is starting to look the better play anyway.

[ladyraven127]

I'm still waiting :nerd:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Just hire Harbaugh and let this bozo stay in Dallas.

Hopefully for his sake, when he gets his opportunity in Dalls the team isn't a shell of itself and fails there and never gets another opportunity.

This clown doesn't want to be a HC anywhere but Dallas...and who knows what will ever happen in the future there.

If he does indeed come here in the end though, I will never forget this...and I will always wonder if his heart is really in this job here in Baltimore...until he turns down JJ in 2-3 years when you know he will be coming after Garrett when he fires Wade.

One thing about Brian, I always knew he loved it here and he gave his all for this town.

I think we'll see the same with Harbaugh.

[purplepoe]

Just hire Harbaugh and let this bozo stay in Dallas.

Hopefully for his sake, when he gets his opportunity in Dalls the team isn't a shell of itself and fails there and never gets another opportunity.

This clown doesn't want to be a HC anywhere but Dallas...and who knows what will ever happen in the future there.

If he does indeed come here in the end though, I will never forget this...and I will always wonder if his heart is really in this job here in Baltimore...until he turns down JJ in 2-3 years when you know he will be coming after Garrett when he fires Wade.

One thing about Brian, I always knew he loved it here and he gave his all for this town.

I think we'll see the same with Harbaugh.

I agree 100%.

I dunno who will be the better coach but if Harbaugh is gung ho about being the HC of this team, that trumps what we're seeing with Garrett.

PP

[RavenScallywag]

I guess we'll see what happens today...I mean, on one hand, I can kind've understand his thinking about leaving a team he feels connected to and jumping head first into a job he's not sure if he's qualified to do.

On the other hand, if you're not confident now, we shouldn't be hiring you. I don't want this guy folding under the pressure when we start losing games. If he does, it'd be exactly what everything thinks hiring Rex will do: let the inmates run the asylum. The players are going to eat him alive, start trying to call the shots and we're going to implode. I think Baltimore did excite Garrett, his video taken when he left OM showed him unable to contain a grin like he was a kid who just got asked to a dance by one of the prettiest girls in school. The analogy goesn't work right though, because if he just walked away grinning, saying "let me think about it", that girl would dump his ass and just ask another boy (John Harbaugh), who'd be like "Yes! Si! Oui Oui! Hai! Ja!" (That's about all the major languages I can cover right now).

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I mean look at Rex.

You know Rex would absolutely LOVE to stay and be the HC here. It's not even a question if he had his choices. We gave him his NFL opportunity, he has been here for 8+ years, is involved with teh community here and I don't know if I've ever seen a coach have a connection with his players like Rex has with this defense...and even a lot of the offensive guys.

But he has said, if I get an offer, I'm taking it, and I'm not doing the "give the hometeam the last shot at trying to match an offer.

Rex is a man who WANTS to be a HC...he craves that job...no matter where it is or as we've seen with the Dolphins and Falcons, no matter how bad the situation may look.

He is a man who you KNOW will give his all to his team and city no matter where he is...if he has to uproot his family...so be it, I'm sure his wife knew the deal when she married him.

And I'm not saying that I necessarily want Rex the coach here...just pointing out the difference in how one man knows 110% what he wants in this profession, and another who seems to be nervous about taking a HC job and is extremely complacent being where he is.

[RavenScallywag]

I will agree with you there...Rex said "It's unprofessional to be offered a HC gig and say 'I'll let you know, I need to check with my original team first'". Garrett seems to be "I need to check with my original team, every other team that has a vacancy, my wife, my agent, and just about anyone else who I can ask about this". I get the feeling Harbaugh might not let us finish saying "We'd like you to be our HC" before he says yes.

I'm really torn in all of this. I did like Garrett, but I think he made a really unprofessional move by being wishy-washy about taking the gig when we offered it. He thought he was being suave and cool, but he was really slapping us in the face. If he came here now, he'd already be in the red in my books. But, we've seen him have some reported success on offense. Meanwhile, Harbaugh is enthusiastic, really together, a great guy, and more experienced, but in Special Teams, not so much on offense.

I think I'll be happy with either one, but part of me wants Garrett to turn us down and we get Harbaugh instead.

[Greg]

I think Baltimore did excite Garrett, his video taken when he left OM showed him unable to contain a grin like he was a kid who just got asked to a dance by one of the prettiest girls in school.
Back to my analogy! Good choice.

In this case he got asked by the prettiest girl to make out and his dick shriveled up because he wasn't confident he could handle it. That's all we need to know, PASS!

Ain't no way that chump could handle this locker room or the adversity tough times in the NFL brings. See you Garrett, THANKS FOR NOT TAKING THE JOB! May we suggest Viagra.

[The Fanatic]

In this case he got asked by the prettiest girl to make out and his dick shriveled up because he wasn't confident he could handle it. That's all we need to know, PASS!

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Back to my analogy! Good choice.

In this case he got asked by the prettiest girl to make out and his dick shriveled up because he wasn't confident he could handle it. That's all we need to know, PASS!

Ain't no way that chump could handle this locker room or the adversity tough times in the NFL brings. See you Garrett, THANKS FOR NOT TAKING THE JOB! May we suggest Viagra.

LMAO!:rolling:

[HoustonRaven]

Back to my analogy! Good choice.

In this case he got asked by the prettiest girl to make out and his dick shriveled up because he wasn't confident he could handle it. That's all we need to know, PASS!

Ain't no way that chump could handle this locker room or the adversity tough times in the NFL brings. See you Garrett, THANKS FOR NOT TAKING THE JOB! May we suggest Viagra.

ok, that's damn funny! :rolling:

[Sephy]

LOL, I love the complete turnaround by Greg. Glad you see it this way ;)

[Greg]

The mistake I made was that Garrett was a HC type, he isn't. I assumed he passed because he didn't like something about this job or organization, I was wrong. He passed because the thought of being the guy in charge made him piddle down his leg.

[jonboy79]

hmmm my first bit of backtrack on the guy.... it has taken his main mentor, Norv Turner quite a while to find his success as a HC... Though he was one of th ebest OC's in the games history...