Garrett offered Job...

[underwriter]

According to Espn...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197523

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[RavenScallywag]

Still nothing on Baltimore Sun about it...so if the ESPN report is right, sounds like he wants to "mull it over", which I think is a bad sign. If he doesn't like the job now, he's either playing out for more money or trying to use the offer as leverage.

Or ESPN just jumped the gun. WNST is reporting it's a done deal, but they also jump the gun more often, IMO

[ravenjoe]

WTOP is also reporting the same! Where the hell is the Sun?!

[ladyraven127]

Hmmmm . . . . maybe he heard about our locker room situation :rolling:

[camdenyard]

If Bisciotti wants the guy, he won't let him leave without a contract.

Besides....Baltimore, Atlanta...Baltimore, Atlanta...

http://forward-moving.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/scales.gif

Hmm....

[Losac]

The X factor is Jerry Jones. The ESPN article mentions how Jones indicated to Garrett he would match whatever offer the Ravens gave him to remain in Dallas as OC.

[TBOERaven16]

I dont think the choice is between Baltimore and Atlanta. I think its more like Baltimore Vs. Dallas.

Jerry Jones will do whatever he can to keep him.

.....NM Losac beat me to it....

[Greg]

Baltimore, Atlanta...Baltimore, Atlanta...
One of the few teams with bigger holes at QB than we have.

Jones and Bisciotti are apparently friendly, I don't know if that would help or not.

[The Fanatic]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the sounds of this.

60-40 chance he accepts??:229031_confused2:

How about somebody that has 110% desire to be a head coach, be in Baltimore and has 150% confidence he can get the job done?

That's the type of guy I want!!:hammer:

[Losac]

60-40 chance he accepts??:229031_confused2:

From the infamous "league source". Most likely someone speculating from the outside with no knowledge of what's in Garrett's head.

[mikek]

I just don't think that SB offers the job if there's a chance he would go elsewhere. I think there would be a gentleman's agreement that if offered the job it would be accepted. I also think SB would offer whatever it would take. Money seems to be no object as he paid Billick to leave.

I could be wrong but that's my gut feeling.

[Greg]

I don't like the wishy-washy indication of a 60-40 chance, but that might be the writer's spin.

Billick came here for his interview to take the job, not mull things over. He told Policy to "shove it" and got on the plane.

[RavenScallywag]

No, but I also think it's odd that ESPN threw up that we "offered the job to him"...I'd think they'd wait until a decision was made, unless they don't expect one soon.

Which means again, Garrett is "mulling it over", which means a big part of him wants to stay with Dallas.

Speculation, but still, troublesome.

[Greg]

Indeed, if he isn't desperate to come in here and lead this team we need to pass and move on.

[The Fanatic]

From the infamous "league source". Most likely someone speculating from the outside with no knowledge of what's in Garrett's head.


Regardless of source or how informed they may be, there shouldn't be a great deal of "mulling over" to be done.

You either want to be a head coach or not!!

Money aside, I want somebody whos dream and utmost desire is to be the head coach here.

Ladyraven is telling me right now as I type this that ESPN is reporting on TV that Garrett is going to Atlanta for a 2nd interview.

[Greg]

Well then, if he heads to Atlanta we should politely tell him to "fuck himself."

Nothing personal.

PASS.

This whole thing gets shittier and shittier.

And what are you doing home today, Mr Fanatic?

[RavenScallywag]

i agree...our offer should expire the minute he walks into the Falcons HQ. I like the guy, but not that much. If that's the case..."Next Man Up"

[The Fanatic]

I agree Greg, if you get on that plane, then screw you!!

Number one thing needed IMO is the desire and commitment to be here.

PERIOD!!!

Fanatic had knee surgery yesterday.

Very uncomfortable at the present moment and am about to head up to my righful place on the coach with my knee elevated.

Drugs sometimes can also be a wonderful thing if used correctly!!:thumbup:

[Purpleguy]

I guess this job and organization isn't as desirable as the Biscuit and the lawyer assumed it was.

What a clusterfuck. These guys fire a winner and now they can't land an assistant after 3 days of interviewing.

[Greg]

Now we are going to settle! NICE!

Okay, can I say "I told you so" now about firing Billick or should I wait for our second or third choice to sign and lead us to a woeful season?

[Hook]

What a clusterfuck. These guys fire a winner and now they can't land an assistant after 3 days of interviewing.
SB's gut feeling is starting to turn into ulcer.

[B-more Ravor]

There are a lot of rumors going around right now.

Adam Shefter of NFL-N is saying that the Ravens are expected to hire Garrett.

Most reports appear to make it close to a done deal.

Let's just wait and see.

[Greg]

I hope so, if the guy gets on that plane this organization's stock has dropped quite a bit and the search is going to get that much harder.

[RavenScallywag]

I think if Garrett mulls it over and we pass...next move should be Marty Schottenheimer as HC, with John Harbaugh as DC and Cam Cameron as OC. That way we can start grooming John Harbaugh as our future HC when Marty moves on.

That said, I'll wait and see what Garrett does first.

[psuasskicker]

I don't buy this for a second. There is a 0% chance that someone would offer a person a job, and then immediately leak that they've offered the person that job before the person accepts it.

ESPN has been known to REGULARLY jump the gun on their reporting. Why would this be any different?

- C -

[ravenjoe]

Well, SB, nice job of interviewing this prospective employee. You and Cass did a masterful job.

One thing I'll always give Billick credit for - he told Cleveland to kiss off in the beginning; he came to Baltimore for the interview(was loyal to his word); accepted the offer; and has been loyal to Baltimore and the Ravens ever since.

[FellsPointRaven]

Keep up with the live ESPN reporting, Fanatic. I'm keeping up with this on three different sites with conflicting info right now. Unless they have someone in the boardroom with Ozzie and Garrett, this seems to be all speculation.

The trip to Atlanta was always scheduled, so may be old news and would obviously be irrelevant if he takes the job.

But I agree - if it's that hard to convince him to take the gig, we'd be probably better off without him.

[RavenScallywag]

Yeah, I think there's just too much swirling and conflicting right now. WNST is reporting that Garrett is still here and in fact, Harbaugh or Rex Ryan may be here soon to be in a press conference as the new DC on Garrett's staff. Meanwhile you have ESPN reporting that there's a 60-40 shot to take the job and Garrett may be leaving to go to Atlanta.

Really, I think every reporter covering this is just grasping at straws right now. Let's just wait and see.

[Purpleguy]

Yeah, I think there's just too much swirling and conflicting right now. WNST is reporting that Garrett is still here and in fact, Harbaugh or Rex Ryan may be here soon to be in a press conference as the new DC on Garrett's staff. Meanwhile you have ESPN reporting that there's a 60-40 shot to take the job and Garrett may be leaving to go to Atlanta.

Really, I think every reporter covering this is just grasping at straws right now. Let's just wait and see.


As much as i like the folks at WNST, I don't think a radio station powered by a hamster running on a treadmill has as much clout as ESPN on getting an inside scoop.

[Losac]

Okay, can I say "I told you so" now about firing Billick or should I wait for our second or third choice to sign and lead us to a woeful season?

When can everyone realize that firing Billick was the right thing to do? You can say what you want about the way it went down, but it needed to be done. Bisciotti's mistake was not firing him. His mistake was giving him the 4 year extension after the 13-3 season and then indicating to him that he'd be back for next year in early December.

Billick wasn't getting through to the team anymore. His message was old and stale, he let the players run the show with no discipline, and the Ravens were not going to become elite under Billick's watch. I'll always have great memories of the Super Bowl and other good times, but it was time to move on!

[B-more Ravor]

Posted by: Casey Willett 1/15/2008 1:42 PM

Ok, so here is the update. Rex Ryan is here at the Ravens facility, as I sit here not, he is outside in the parking lot on his cell phone talking with someone.

Jason Garrett is still here in the facility; his wife left earlier with team president Dick Cass’s wife and another Ravens employee and has still not returned. Here is a little nugget for you, Dick Cass represented Jerry Jones when he acquisition of the Dallas Cowboys and Texas Stadium. He continued to advise Jerry on a lot of matter surrounding the team throughout the 80’s.

At this point it does look like Garrett is the guy; he has now been here for close to four hours. There is some speculation that John Harbaugh could be coming here to be the defensive coordinator which is interesting since Rex Ryan is here.


http://www.wnst.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryID/4391/Default.aspx

EDIT: Aaron Wilson is pretty much saying the same thing.

[FellsPointRaven]

Good thinking by the Ravens to kidnap his wife until he signs. I say give him until 2.15 and then start snipping off fingers.

[Losac]

Still nothing from The Sun. To those watching season 5 of The Wire: "More with less" indeed. :laugh:

[Losac]

Good thinking by the Ravens to kidnap his wife until he signs. I say give him until 2.15 and then start snipping off fingers.

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Bravo, Fells.

[RavenScallywag]

Actually, The Sun just updated it's earlier article to include what ESPN reported, and they just say "ESPN reported that..."

So yeah, technically they're reporting it, but you almost wonder, why aren't the Sun reporters chipping something in?

[ladyraven127]

" he let the players run the show with no discipline"

Pffftttt

I absolutely completely disagree with you. The owner of this team gave the power over to the players two years ago when he called Billick out at that infamous press conference. If I were Billick, I wouldn't have come back at all after that piece of work.

Was it time for Billick to go . . . . maybe. Is it time to shake up the locker room . . . you betcha. That's why I didn't want Ryan as head coach. Biscuit gave the players what they wanted . . . he fired Billick. I'd be damned if I'd give them a coach that have wrapped around their fingers.

Phooey

[POPSinPA]

Well said LR.

[ladyraven127]

:34853_lolpoint: Ryan is there and Harbaugh is coming there . . . . damn . . . . think they'll have one of those cage fights or something for the DC job.

[Purpleguy]

" he let the players run the show with no discipline"

Pffftttt

I absolutely completely disagree with you. The owner of this team gave the power over to the players two years ago when he called Billick out at that infamous press conference. If I were Billick, I wouldn't have come back at all after that piece of work.

Was it time for Billick to go . . . . maybe. Is it time to shake up the locker room . . . you betcha. That's why I didn't want Ryan as head coach. Biscuit gave the players what they wanted . . . he fired Billick. I'd be damned if I'd give them a coach that have wrapped around their fingers.

Phooey


That's why it worries me that Ryan is at the castle. I don't want him to have anything to do with this team next season. The players love his fat jolly ass and I think he is a big reason for the discipline problems. Hopefully Rex is just waiting to clean out his desk.

[Losac]

" he let the players run the show with no discipline"

Pffftttt

I absolutely completely disagree with you. The owner of this team gave the power over to the players two years ago when he called Billick out at that infamous press conference. If I were Billick, I wouldn't have come back at all after that piece of work.

Was it time for Billick to go . . . . maybe. Is it time to shake up the locker room . . . you betcha. That's why I didn't want Ryan as head coach. Biscuit gave the players what they wanted . . . he fired Billick. I'd be damned if I'd give them a coach that have wrapped around their fingers.

Phooey

The discipline problems existed before that. Remember the 21 penalty flag fest in Detroit? And Camp Creampuff has always been around.

Billick probably should have been fired after that 2005 season. 2 underachieving seasons in a row on a team loaded with Pro Bowlers and a dominating defense.

[4G63]

Why is everyone getting their panties in a bind? This insatiable need for information must drive some of you nuts......

[Greg]

When can everyone realize that firing Billick was the right thing to do?
When we have hired a superior coach, or at least one as good.

If Garrett signs then I will back off and give him time. My main concern is if he goes. This will leave us scrambling to get somebody else. We will have become the Cleveland Browns.

And it does appear from other places I read that Garrett is a done deal.

Again, I want to eat my words, now and in the future.

[Galen Sevinne]

this has the potential to be a bad P.R. hit on the Ravens now if he doesn't take it. Its like TO being traded to the Ravens and then refusing. I can't believe the Ravens would put their necks out on the line by making it public that they offered him the job to have him turn it down. Something about that transaction sounds pretty bush league to me.

[ravenjoe]

I think Ryan should pancake Harbaugh, and be done with it! To the winner, go the 'spoils' (the Raven's lockerroom)

[PD101]

Someone doesn't bring their wife to Baltimore in mid January just so she can see the sights while he interviews. Do They? :229031_confused2: I mean he wouldn't say "Hey Honey I hear it's a Balmy 38 degrees and damp in B more right now. Why don't you come with me and see the sights." I guess that one way to beat the crowds at Harbor Place.

[ladyraven127]

:rolling:

Cripes . . . . there's not even dirty snow to show off either.

[4G63]

:rolling:

Cripes . . . . there's not even dirty snow to show off either.

I thought dirty snow was only in Pissburgh?

[TheExtraPoint]

I think this is pretty much a done-deal. The delay is to cross T's, dot I's, and hammer out details.

I wish the "sky is falling" mentality around here lately would ease up a little bit, honestly.

[ladyraven127]

What, you don't enjoy our mass hysteria? It's how we cope . . . . it's too early in the day to drink :D

[PD101]

I thought dirty snow was only in Pissburgh?

Watch out where the HUskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow.

[4G63]

I think this is pretty much a done-deal. The delay is to cross T's, dot I's, and hammer out details.

I wish the "sky is falling" mentality around here lately would ease up a little bit, honestly.

That would make too much sense! Remember, its all they have!!!

[TheExtraPoint]

What, you don't enjoy our mass hysteria? It's how we cope . . . . it's too early in the day to drink



That would make too much sense! Remember, its all they have!!!

Fair enough lady and 4G63! :)

In general though, I think we should all step back and appreciate how good we have it. I had a semi-rant the other day, in which I suggested the Ravens organization as a whole is one of the most desirable in the NFL.

An owner who stays out of the way during the season, but is willing to spend and develop an infrastructure that lends itself to winning.

A General Manager/VP and Personnel department responsible for the largest percentage of players active in the league today, that has built a championship caliber squad on two different occasions, with one ring to show for it.

A city that loves it's football team unlike most in the NFL.

A beautiful stadium and a practice facility second to none in the NFL.

And a roster that I think is old, thin, and need of an overhaul, but that isn't completely devoid of young talent either. We're not close, but we're not five years away.

How many fans in how many cities would kill to have just one of these attributes of which the Ravens have in mass?

Garrett or no Garrett, I'm comfortable with where things are heading. We've got great people in place, and a great franchise that we can be proud of. Look across the parking lot if you ever need a reminder. The hysteria is entertaining, I'll admit. But it borders on annoying after a while.

[Mr OC]

. . . . it's too early in the day to drink :D

...oops. I didn't know. Sorry.

[StingerNLG]

Just for the record, I still have the text message on my phone from WNST on this.

Nowhere in the text does it confirm anything. In fact the exact words are "No deal confirmed yet."

And the text even says "Web reports indicate Jason Garrett has been offered the job as Ravens Head coach".

So don't blame WNST for any of this.

[Purpleguy]

this has the potential to be a bad P.R. hit on the Ravens now if he doesn't take it. Its like TO being traded to the Ravens and then refusing. I can't believe the Ravens would put their necks out on the line by making it public that they offered him the job to have him turn it down. Something about that transaction sounds pretty bush league to me.


The Ravens didn't leak the job offer. Garrett's camp most likely did. He is playing them for more money, or using the offer to get what he wants from another team.

I've said before that Garrett seems to be the best choice from the motley crew that the Ravens have considered, but there is no way I would break the bank for a guy with 3 years coaching experience. If I were the genious businessman that everyone proclaims the Biscuit to be then I wouldn't let this go on much longer. I would present my offer then move on to one of the other unproven gambles the team is considering.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Jerry Jones has apparently said he will match any offer for Garrett from any other team to keep him around. If I were Garrett, no way would I want to come here and attach my reputation to McNair/Boller/Smith. I would want to drive up the price as good as I could, then go back to Romo/Owens/Witten and hope to end up the head coach in Dallas someday.

[Ravenswarrior19]

Baltimore Sun has confirmed that Garrett is weighing offers between us and the Cowboys.

[Losac]

Jameson Hensley is reporting that Garrett is deciding between the Ravens and the Dallas counteroffer to remain as OC. The fact that he's supposedly still in Owings Mills looks good for the Ravens.

Also reporting Cam Cameron would likely be the OC if Garrett takes the job.

[Khaine]

Links?

anyone... anyone...

[Purpleguy]

Jerry Jones has apparently said he will match any offer for Garrett from any other team to keep him around. If I were Garrett, no way would I want to come here and attach my reputation to McNair/Boller/Smith. I would want to drive up the price as good as I could, then go back to Romo/Owens/Witten and hope to end up the head coach in Dallas someday.

That does sound good, except "someday" may never come. Dallas could have an awful year next season, and some other hot head coaching candidate may become available. We have a crummy team, but it is a chance to get your feet in the water right away and become a HC. If he succeeds with turning around our pathetic team then the guy looks that much better and can write his own ticket in the future.

[underwriter]

Baltimore Sun link....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens115,0,7632126.story?coll=bal_breaking

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[Losac]

Links?

anyone... anyone...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens115,0,7632126.story?coll=bal_breaking

EDIT: Damn everyone's beating me to the punch today!

[Greg]

I'm sorry, if he doesn't WANT the job and wants to stay in Dallas then it is time of move along.

I have read elsewhere it is a done deal though.

[Ravenswarrior19]

I don't know how to link to the Balto Sun page, but its up on there sports section. There is also a link on the main PF24x7 page.

[HoustonRaven]

I agree with Greg. We need soneone who's heart will be here in Baltimore, not in Texas.

If we're just a negotiating tactic, then put his red-headed ass on the plane post haste.

[Khaine]

Koo, thanks... being on the West Coast you guys are my main link to all things purple. :jester:

[HoustonRaven]

Outside the Lines is on right now and is going to have a segment on Garrett and Ryan.

Should be interesting.

[Khaine]

stupid work... can... watch.... wanna... know...


fine... I'll get back to work and check later.

[Purpleguy]

Garrett actually could be trying to force Jerry Jones's hand and make him fire Wade Phillips to make him the HC at Dallas.

It really wouldn't make sense for Jones to pay an OC nearly as much if not more than his HC. It would essentially make Phillips a lame duck. If Jones is that serious about making Garrett the future HC of the Cowboys then he might as well do it now. I'm quite sure Garrett would rather be the HC of America's team as opposed to the Ravens.

[RavenScallywag]

I'm not going to buy into this hype about a bidding war...I would think that SB would have someone who might come up to him, lets him know "hey, Garrett is asking the Cowboys to match" and then turn around and say "my friend, you get NOTHING" and just show Garrett the door. Let the Falcons try to outbid JJ.

Again, just speculation

[RavenTD]

Yeap I want a coach who wants to be here 100%. Who will embody what Baltimore football is all about.

Didn't you just love Jerry Jones on the sideline with his arms folded as the Giants stuck it to his boys.

[Dade]

It seems to me that Garrett is just taking a few hours to make a final decision.

[HoustonRaven]

I'm not going to buy into this hype about a bidding war...I would think that SB would have someone who might come up to him, lets him know "hey, Garrett is asking the Cowboys to match" and then turn around and say "my friend, you get NOTHING" and just show Garrett the door. Let the Falcons try to outbid JJ.

Again, just speculation

I hope you're correct. My only concern then would be Bisciotti admission that he is new to this and doesnt quite understand the nuance of all of this.

If Garrett is doing a power play, it's a shitty move. Everyone is entitled to get the best deal possible -- I get that. But what might be playing out here, is he had no intention to be our HC from the start.

Again, this is all speculation and he may be already enjoying a drink with Bisciotti.

[HoustonRaven]

It seems to me that Garrett is just taking a few hours to make a final decision.

Yeah. Coaches contracts can be complex and this may all just be getting the details out of the way. The fact he hasnt left Baltimore is pretty encouraging.

[HoustonRaven]

Nothing new on OTL ... John "Mr. Mackey" Clayton basically said the same things and added that Garrett is still in Baltimore.

[psuasskicker]

I think I'm thoroughly enjoying reading all the speculation about this. No one has a clue what's actually going on in that facility so everyone's coming up with their own theories. Some (ESPN, various other media outlets) are just doing the irresponsible thing and reporting them as fact.

"League source" might be "Baltimore Ravens mail room guy" who calls up the ESPN desk, says he works for the Ravens, and hears that Garrett's got an offer and wants to think about it. ESPN runs with it cause, well, that's what they do...they're almost tabloid sports reporting at this point. And now people are up in arms over all the different reasons why Garrett hasn't accepted an offer yet, when no one knows whether one's even been made.

We know he's here. We know he hasn't stormed out of the building yet. We know at least the Falcons want another shot at him, and that Dallas apparently wants to retain him. Everything else waits till we get a news conference.

- C -

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Count me in the "if his heart is really in Dallas then let him go" camp.

What happens when Phillips is eventually fired? You know Jerry is going to come back to him 2-3 years from now.

[Dginzu]

Assuming we sort out this mess with Garrett, I would be pretty happy with Cam Cameron as the OC. He did well at the Chargers.

[Ravenswarrior19]

We also know his wife is out with Dick Cass' wife.

[HoustonRaven]

This is from the Dallas Morning News. They dont have anything current. This article was from last night. The compelling par tof this one is that last few sentences. Apparently, JJ and Wade are already in discussions about Sparono and Garrett's replacements.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/011508dnspocowcoaches.2484249.html

[RavenScallywag]

I'd take that with a grain of salt also...Had discussions might be as simple as:

WP: JJ, if Garrett coming back or not?
JJ: I don't know, who else you would have as OC?

There you go, they're discussing candidates for Garrett's replacing. If JJ wants to bring Garrett back, he'll do whatever he has to.

[highwater]

Nothing new on OTL ... John "Mr. Mackey" Clayton basically said the same things and added that Garrett is still in Baltimore.

I was just about to write the same thing -- Clayton really had nothing new to say about the Garrett situtation.

He did mention that Rex Ryan is now considered the leading candidate to take over as Falcons HC.

And we need to slow down about this notion that he should be thrown in the Bay for not taking the job immediately. What difference does it make if he accepts the offer tomorrow instead of today? I don't have a problem with he and his family thinking it over for a day.

[Rayvens52]

i think the more promising news here is the Rex is also there, if this si being treated as a business deal like we all would think it would, they are retaing Rex, introducing him to the new leader, discussing OC position and getting ready to wrap things up, his wife is out looking at homes right now according to multiple sources. If this is not a done deal I would be blown away!

[HoustonRaven]

And we need to slow down about this notion that he should be thrown in the Bay for not taking the job immediately. What difference does it make if he accepts the offer tomorrow instead of today? I don't have a problem with he and his family thinking it over for a day.

I dont think anyone said they have an issue with him thinking. I think the issue is using that time to make another move at our expense. If we're just a tool to be used to get more money from JJ, then yes, he needs to be taken to intersection of W. Lafayette and Payson St's and dropped off to fend for himself.

[HoustonRaven]

i think the more promising news here is the Rex is also there, if this si being treated as a business deal like we all would think it would, they are retaing Rex, introducing him to the new leader, discussing OC position and getting ready to wrap things up, his wife is out looking at homes right now according to multiple sources. If this is not a done deal I would be blown away!

I think you're dead wrong.

By publicly offering Garrett the job, you are also saying that Rex will not come back in any capacity. Rex has told the team and the media that he will bolt if offered anything other than the HC job. And now, ESPN is saying he is on the top of the Atlanta list.

[Rayvens52]

I think you're dead wrong.

By publicly offering Garrett the job, you are also saying that Rex will not come back in any capacity. Rex has told the team and the media that he will bolt if offered anything other than the HC job. And now, ESPN is saying he is on the top of the Atlanta list.

show me one quote from Rex saying that, never have i heard or seen that anywhere.

[highwater]

show me one quote from Rex saying that, never have i heard or seen that anywhere.

I haven't seen a quote from Rex to that effect either, but I did hear ESPN report that he's the leading candidate in Atlanta. And what would you do if you were him, take a HC job in Atlanta or come back here to be the DC?

This is also why my "gut feeling" is that Garrett is not using us as leverage to stay in Dallas. Unless he and his family are in love with Dallas, why wouldn't he take a HC position?

[HoustonRaven]

show me one quote from Rex saying that, never have i heard or seen that anywhere.

Read more. Last two paragraphs.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ryan03jan03,0,1597172.story

[BertinNC]

Brill Garrett just got back to One Winning Drive from her day out with the ladies according to Drew Forreter so something should happen soon.

[Purpleguy]

i think the more promising news here is the Rex is also there, if this si being treated as a business deal like we all would think it would, they are retaing Rex, introducing him to the new leader, discussing OC position and getting ready to wrap things up, his wife is out looking at homes right now according to multiple sources. If this is not a done deal I would be blown away!

I would hope whomever the new coach is that he would be free to choose his own coordinator's and not be forced to accept the player's favorite fat-ass, Rex Ryan. I would think that would be a major factor for any candidate considering the position. I think Rex is just there to clean out his desk.

[Rayvens52]

I haven't seen a quote from Rex to that effect either, but I did hear ESPN report that he's the leading candidate in Atlanta. And what would you do if you were him, take a HC job in Atlanta or come back here to be the DC?

This is also why my "gut feeling" is that Garrett is not using us as leverage to stay in Dallas. Unless he and his family are in love with Dallas, why wouldn't he take a HC position?

I would stay here as DC, that is not a good job for anyone. that team is really big trouble. They have no QB, huge PR issues, that place could ruin someones carrer. If Rex was smart he would go to miami or wash if offered, if not stay here. IMO he is here meeting with his new boss. Atlanta will be a career killer period.

[Rayvens52]

I would hope whomever the new coach is that he would be free to choose his own coordinator's and not be forced to accept the player's favorite fat-ass, Rex Ryan. I would think that would be a major factor for any candidate considering the position. I think Rex is just there to clean out his desk.

Maybe he is Garrets choice, i mean the guy has only had a top 5 D every year as DC, again I love how everyone hatesare players since we had a bad year, last year there was none of this talk, but the players were actin the same, you just don't see it because you were so happy with all the winning going on.

[HoustonRaven]

I would stay here as DC, that is not a good job for anyone. that team is really big trouble. They have no QB, huge PR issues, that place could ruin someones carrer. If Rex was smart he would go to miami or wash if offered, if not stay here. IMO he is here meeting with his new boss. Atlanta will be a career killer period.

You act like Ryan can decide if he wants to stay or not. He is already fired. It will be up to the new HC (probably Garret at this point) to decide if he wants Ryan.

Ryan has stated (as I showed you in the article I pulled up) he wants to be head coach and will go with the team gracious enought to give that job to him.

Plus, all of Atlanta's problems (PR and the like) are sitting in jail. They are in decent cap shape and will have a decent pick next draft.

[pyite32]

Update

"Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to his car at 4:18 p.m. today to retrieve a suit and when asked twice by reporters if he had a new coach, Newsome replied, "I'm going to the East-West [Shrine] game."


Wonder if he is getting his suit for the press conference. the Shrine game in on the 19th.

[RavenScallywag]

EDIT - pyite beat me to it :)

I'll have to pick up coverage on 1090 or 1300 AM, since I get off in 30 mins. If it happens tonight though, I'm thinking it happens in the next 30-hour

[BertinNC]

According to The Sun:

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to his car at 4:18 p.m. today to retrieve a suit and when asked twice by reporters if he had a new coach, Newsome replied, "I'm going to the East-West [Shrine] game."

It doesn't very promising or maybe he is just tired of the talks and is just leaving it all to Garrett. I hope I'm wrong.

[highwater]

Does anyone else find it amazing that the Sun reports that Ozzie "went to his car at 4:18 pm" and at 4:33 pm there are multiple posts here about it?

We have really, really become an "instant information" society. And as a result, I guess, we want Garrett to make a decision immediately.

Let's be patient.

[Rayvens52]

According to The Sun:

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to his car at 4:18 p.m. today to retrieve a suit and when asked twice by reporters if he had a new coach, Newsome replied, "I'm going to the East-West [Shrine] game."

It doesn't very promising or maybe he is just tired of the talks and is just leaving it all to Garrett. I hope I'm wrong.

how does this not sound promising. This sounds like there is a press confrence coming soon saying we have our guy.

[HoustonRaven]

Does anyone else find it amazing that the Sun reports that Ozzie "went to his car at 4:18 pm" and at 4:33 pm there are multiple posts here about it?

We have really, really become an "instant information" society. And as a result, I guess, we want Garrett to make a decision immediately.

Let's be patient.

Bah. We're patient. Nobody is clammering for a decision. For me, this is fun and exciting, thats all.

[Rayvens52]

Bah. We're patient. Nobody is clammering for a decision. For me, this is fun and exciting, thats all.

:iagree:

[pyite32]

I leave work in 15 minutes and I will be stuck with Washington AM for the first 1/2 of my trip...

Agony...

[RavenTD]

Brill Garrett just got back to One Winning Drive from her day out with the ladies according to Drew Forreter so something should happen soon.

Bingo,Mrs Garrett is the deciding factor.go Brill.

[HoustonRaven]

I got 1090 WBAL streaming right now ....

I would think they would have it faster than anyone, considering they are the Ravens flagship station now.

[RavenScallywag]

for me, when Billick was hired, I was only 13-14, just getting into the Ravens...so back then, I missed out on the speculation and the waiting game. I'm savoring every minute of this. This is exciting...unless it turns out that Garrett was playing us all along, then it's infuriating.

[pyite32]

My wife is home, maybe I can get her to drive out to Owings mills and report to me...:laugh:

Hey while we are waiting, did anyone read the really crappy article that Preston wrote today? It was the epitamy of his classic I know what everyone in the organization is thinking article.

[RavenScallywag]

Doesn't sound good...WNST is reporting that Garrett is outside the complex, addressing the media, saying he's heading to the airport....

http://www.wnst.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryID/4400/Default.aspx

[BertinNC]

I heard Garrett is leaving now and is not the coach at this point.

[RavenScallywag]

Before someone starts saying something about being impatient...only issue I see with this is if he's going back to Dallas without accepting the HC gig, I smell JJ meeting him at the airport, and just parading every single Cowboy he can around Garrett until he says he's staying.

[FearTheRaven]

Jason Garrett is 20 feet to my right, addressing the media.

He's getting ready to head to the airport. No one is quite sure where he's going.

Back to Dallas? Atlanta? We're trying to find that out.

One thing that SEEMS certain (the Ravens aren't saying much, other than they "had a great day with him)...he's leaving Baltimore and evidently is, at this point, NOT the Ravens Head Coach.

I'm gonna listen to him speak right now...back with more shortly.

From NST.

[StingerNLG]

Well doesn't that suck.

[RavenScallywag]

Garrett basically said "That was great guys, thanks for a day of pampering and ego feeding"

Kevin Byrne said "this is the beginning of round 2....we'll be bringing in more people for interviews...just not this week, since Ozzie is going out of town"

So, either he's going to stick with the Falcons and we asked him to help us spin it so we didn't seem like morons, or they're covering up for a PC coming up soon.

[ladyraven127]

Well, isn't this interesting.

[RavenTD]

Well doesn't that suck.

I have that TO jilted at the altar feeling.[JJ money is poison].

[Dade]

Gotta a feeling Garrett is going back to Dallas. Maybe he'll meet with JJ one last time before making his mind up.

[HoustonRaven]

Garrett basically said "That was great guys, thanks for a day of pampering and ego feeding"

Kevin Byrne said "this is the beginning of round 2....we'll be bringing in more people for interviews...just not this week, since Ozzie is going out of town"

So, either he's going to stick with the Falcons and we asked him to help us spin it so we didn't seem like morons, or they're covering up for a PC coming up soon.

WTF????

My God, if anyone is spinning its you. What's wrong with "this is really the end of round 2 and Garrett is weighing his options"?

[Losac]

Unbelievable.

[RavenScallywag]

umm, I'm literally quoting Drew Forrester

"Kevin Byrne of the Ravens just said, 'this is the beginning of round two of our interview process...we're bringing in other people to interview later this week.'"

I flubbed the Ozzie part, he said he's out of town TOMORROW, so no interviews there.

[HoustonRaven]

Relax everyone ....

There is nothing to suggest this is anything more than him thinking about it. I dont doubt JJ will throw big money at him to stay.

[HoustonRaven]

umm, I'm literally quoting Drew Forrester

"Kevin Byrne of the Ravens just said, 'this is the beginning of round two of our interview process...we're bringing in other people to interview later this week.'"

I flubbed the Ozzie part, he said he's out of town TOMORROW, so no interviews there.

Yeah, and then you posted two possible scenarios, none of which fit the quote.

[Dade]

Relax everyone ....

There is nothing to suggest this is anything more than him thinking about it. I dont doubt JJ will throw big money at him to stay.

Yeah cause JJ has never paid tons of money to get what he wants.

[RavenScallywag]

I'm not panicking...but I think JJ isn't going to just give up on Garrett that easy.

The only thing I don't like about this is we have the opportunity to look like big morons if he declines our job and stays with Dallas. It would've looked better to say after the day "we talked, decided to interview some other candidates again" and then just cross him off the list when he says he's staying at Dallas.

[HoustonRaven]

Yeah cause JJ has never paid tons of money to get what he wants.

Huh? I know he does -- thats what I said. ????

[RavenTD]

JJ and Daniel Snyder just keep throwing money trying to win a Superbowl.

[Sephy]

Yeah cause JJ has never paid tons of money to get what he wants.

That's...exactly what he said?

[Purpleguy]

What the hell is the GM doing going to watch practice for the Shrine game while his team is in the midst of a critical decision making time? How many other teams looking for a coach are going to take the week off for the shrine game?

[Dade]

Huh? I know he does -- thats what I said. ????


Sorry misread your post. Trying to read posts and reply while working is hard.

[FellsPointRaven]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - never trust a ginger.

[Losac]

Time to call Marty.

[HoustonRaven]

I'm not panicking...but I think JJ isn't going to just give up on Garrett that easy.

The only thing I don't like about this is we have the opportunity to look like big morons if he declines our job and stays with Dallas. It would've looked better to say after the day "we talked, decided to interview some other candidates again" and then just cross him off the list when he says he's staying at Dallas.

I dont think we look like morons at all.

A lot of teams have a hard time keeping up with JJ's deep pockets. My only complaint would be leaking the fact we offered him the job. But even then, it's not a bad tactic as it forces JJ's hand and essentially takes Atlanta out of the picture.

JJ cant offer the HC job so all he has is a matching offer. Garrett has no real ties to the Dallas area. He did play there a little bit, but I think the fact we can offer the title gives us the edge.

[RavenTD]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - never trust a ginger.

He may have some Viking blood in him.

I cannot believe WNST online stream is actually working.Did they buy a new hamster wheel?

[RavenScallywag]

Well, apparently Garrett is going to Atlanta, so he's still looking at the Falcons job, which I would fall over and die laughing if he decides to take over ours, because he'd be an idiot.

So I guess I like Kevin Byrne's comment that we're going to keep interviewing. If Garrett wants to think about it, so do we...let's keep looking at other candidates, try to force his hand.

[HoustonRaven]

Well, apparently Garrett is going to Atlanta, so he's still looking at the Falcons job, which I would fall over and die laughing if he decides to take over ours, because he'd be an idiot.

So I guess I like Kevin Byrne's comment that we're going to keep interviewing. If Garrett wants to think about it, so do we...let's keep looking at other candidates, try to force his hand.

:iagree:

Some here (coughGREGcough) need to put themselves in Garrett's shoes. At least listen to Atlanta and JJ and weigh all other options. Hell, I did it with my job and I dont make anything close to what Garrett will end up making.

Around the Horn is talking about it now ....

Plashke doesnt like the fit and feels Garrett isnt ready, Mariotti doesnt like it either .... MacMullan (who?) likes the idea as does Paige

[Purpleguy]

Well, apparently Garrett is going to Atlanta, so he's still looking at the Falcons job, which I would fall over and die laughing if he decides to take over ours, because he'd be an idiot.

So I guess I like Kevin Byrne's comment that we're going to keep interviewing. If Garrett wants to think about it, so do we...let's keep looking at other candidates, try to force his hand.

Yeah, but we won't be looking at anymore candidates until next week because Oz needs a breather. By that time every vacancy could be filled and we could be looking at the dregs. Of course we already appeared to be looking at the dregs.

[Greg]

Well, apparently Garrett is going to Atlanta, so he's still looking at the Falcons job, which I would fall over and die laughing if he decides to take over ours, because he'd be an idiot.
Really? Apparently this job isn't as attractive as one would have thought. Why would he even GO to Atlanta if the choice was laughable.

Fuck forcing his hand, he doesn't want the job. Trying to get him back would be akin to begging that chick who turned you down for the prom to reconsider.

I wonder what Bisciotti's gut is telling him. Mine is telling me he fucked up.

[Sephy]

Yes, Ozzie is surely taking a break by going with his scout team to one of the biggest pre-draft senior games out there. Give the Ozzie bashing a rest for a minute, PG.

[Greg]

Some here (coughGREGcough) need to put themselves in Garrett's shoes. At least listen to Atlanta and JJ and weigh all other options. Hell, I did it with my job and I dont make anything close to what Garrett will end up making.
I might be stupid in a lot of areas but I can figure out people pretty well. This guy is done with us. He isn't going to weigh his options, he either wanted to coach here or he didn't. Atlanta has nothing on us and staying in Dallas is passing up a promotion.

[Purpleguy]

Yes, Ozzie is surely taking a break by going with his scout team to one of the biggest pre-draft senior games out there. Give the Ozzie bashing a rest for a minute, PG.

Scouts and film can't inform Oz what's happening down there? I would think finding a HC takes precedent now. If the game wasn't in Bama I doubt Oz would be that pressed to attend.

[RavenTD]

The vibe I get is Garrett would have stayed and signed the dotted line.
Now he's going,he is gone for good. He will go back to Dallas and wait to become HC in Dallas when Wade moves on.

As for the Ravens FO, did they just drop all the fish to pick up the biggest one? Or have we all become negative dipsticks after this miserable season?

[HoustonRaven]

I might be stupid in a lot of areas but I can figure out people pretty well. This guy is done with us. He isn't going to weigh his options, he either wanted to coach here or he didn't. Atlanta has nothing on us and staying in Dallas is passing up a promotion.

Oy. You're a "glass is half empty" kind of guy, arent you?

Please, gaze into that purple crystal ball you have and tell me what else might happen????

Zero evidence + Enough bias to fill any message board = Greg Logic! :)

[ladyraven127]

"Or have we all become negative dipsticks after this miserable season?"

I'd rather be referred to as a titstick if you don't mind.

Hockkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

:nerd:

[Rayvens52]

it coming on pti in 1 min

[underwriter]

I might be stupid in a lot of areas but I can figure out people pretty well. This guy is done with us. He isn't going to weigh his options, he either wanted to coach here or he didn't. Atlanta has nothing on us and staying in Dallas is passing up a promotion.

I agree 100%...he is gone and is not coming back. He will not sign with Atlanta. He is going home to Dallas, get a huge raise and wait a year or two....The Cowboy job is the job he wants. I also think he is leary of the Ravens' locker room...

Now...who is next? I think they will take several days off and digest this mess. I would go experienced...I just don't think that a young coach could handle this team.....they would eat him alive...

UW:ralph:

[ravenjoe]

What the hell is the GM doing going to watch practice for the Shrine game while his team is in the midst of a critical decision making time? How many other teams looking for a coach are going to take the week off for the shrine game?
Maybe it is because SB and his sidekick lawyer are really the ones running the show right now, and Not Ozzie. That would not surprise me!

[Rayvens52]

there is no way dallas can sign him, pti makes a great point, we will offer 3.5 to 4 million a year, dallas matching that would make him the highest paid assitant in the nfl, and be giving him more money then there current HC. No Way

[4G63]

JGarrett leaving like this doesn't bode well for us......

[Dade]

Tony on PTI made a good point; reportedly JJ will match any offer made to Garrett so JJ is willing to pay Garrett more money than Wade. Doesn't seem likely at all.

[HoustonRaven]

I just saw Tony's thing too ....

He makes a good point BUT he is discounting JJ's flip-flop nature. If Garrett is offered money to stay in Dallas, I think Wade will indeed get canned.

[Rayvens52]

I just saw Tony's thing too ....

He makes a good point BUT he is discounting JJ's flip-flop nature. If Garrett is offered money to stay in Dallas, I think Wade will indeed get canned.


No way they can Wade, they do not want the same bad PR SD got after firing Marty, plus all the players in Dallas are 100% behind Wade.

[highwater]

He makes a good point BUT he is discounting JJ's flip-flop nature. If Garrett is offered money to stay in Dallas, I think Wade will indeed get canned.

Anything could happen, but Jones would look like a fool firing Wade right after telling the press he was definitely coming back next year. I think Jones would match the Ravens' offer to Garrett because he likes him so much, but if the salaries are the same, why wouldn't Garrett take the HC job instead of a coordinator job?

And Kornheiser has a point (for a change) in that it would be a bit awkward to be paying your OC a higher salary than your HC.

[Purpleguy]

Anything could happen, but Jones would look like a fool firing Wade right after telling the press he was definitely coming back next year.

He'd look a little like our owner if he pulled a move like that.

[RavenTD]

No way they can Wade, they do not want the same bad PR SD got after firing Marty, plus all the players in Dallas are 100% behind Wade.

But JJ has that bad taste of the Giants loss in his mouth.Who knows what a ruthless dictator will do in a time of emotional upset?

[HoustonRaven]

John Clayton is reporting Garrett is still in Baltimore and has cancelled his flight to Atlanta. He feels that Garrett will either pick us or leverage JJ for money as OC.

[Sephy]

John Clayton is reporting Garrett is still in Baltimore and has cancelled his flight to Atlanta. He feels that Garrett will either pick us or leverage JJ for money as OC.

OK, I heard that too. Should be an interesting day tomorrow as well.

[Khaine]

...I just don't think that a young coach could handle this team.....they would eat him alive...

UW:ralph:

This has been my concern the whole time...


canceled Flight? interesting...

[highwater]

John Clayton is reporting Garrett is still in Baltimore and has cancelled his flight to Atlanta. He feels that Garrett will either pick us or leverage JJ for money as OC.

If he cancelled the flight to Atlanta, that's good news. I really don't think that he'll go back to Dallas as a coordinator and turn down a HC gig. Unless Jerry does something under the table.

[purplepoe]

Well, this has been an interesting day hasn't it?

The whole flight cancellation is new.

Look, a guy doesn't come up for his 2nd interview with his wife and leave without a contract and still be viable candidate.

If the Ravens were smart they'd give him a take it or leave it deal. Maybe he's wavering and that's why the flight was cancelled.

But if he does leave without signing on, this turns into a shitstorm.

I'm willing to wait and see if indeed he's staying in town.

But if he walks and leaves the FO sitting there without their #1, it's a terrible PR hit and is certainly a sign that this job isn't nearly as desirable as many here think it is.

PP

[RavenTD]

John Clayton is reporting Garrett is still in Baltimore and has cancelled his flight to Atlanta. He feels that Garrett will either pick us or leverage JJ for money as OC.

Darn,I convinced myself the ship had left the harbor and it was time to hit the sack 23.15pm here. But now I have a flicker of excitement back.:thumbup:

[highwater]

But if he walks and leaves the FO sitting there without their #1, it's a terrible PR hit and is certainly a sign that this job isn't nearly as desirable as many here think it is.

Which leads to a question I've been pondering today -- how did this story about the Ravens making an offer get leaked? There is no upside to letting that get out before he accepts the offer, if one was made.

[HoustonRaven]

Ok, conflicting reports now ....

Everyone seems agreed that Garrett cancelled his flight to Atlanta, but there are reports on WBAL that he did leave Baltimore for Dallas.

[RavenTD]

Ok, conflicting reports now ....

Everyone seems agreed that Garrett cancelled his flight to Atlanta, but there are reports on WBAL that he did leave Baltimore for Dallas.

:grbac: My head hurts.

[purplepoe]

Which leads to a question I've been pondering today -- how did this story about the Ravens making an offer get leaked? There is no upside to letting that get out before he accepts the offer, if one was made.

Who knows HW.

I mean, it was pretty much a given that he was in town to discuss specifics of a contract.

Kevin Byrne can spin it anyway he wants as if Garrett just happened to be the first guy in the 2nd round of interviews.

What a joke that is. Why did they not bring in Harbaugh in for his 2nd interview before Garrett if they truly were gonna have all the candidates back?

Harbaugh wasn't coaching all last week so they had plenty of time to bring him in for a 2nd interview. But they didn't.

It's pretty obvious that they want Garrett. And if he leaves tonight or tomorrow without signing a contract, IMO he won't be the HC for the Ravens.

PP

[Galen Sevinne]

So how did Jason Garrett become the second-coming of Christ in the past three hours. Sure he is a great candidate but a "proven" candidate?

[HoustonRaven]

It's pretty obvious that they want Garrett. And if he leaves tonight or tomorrow without signing a contract, IMO he won't be the HC for the Ravens.

PP

Agreed. If he leaves town, he wont be coming back. With that said, I wish some here would wait until the actual decision comes down before they lose hope.

[purplepoe]

So how did Jason Garrett become the second-coming of Christ in the past three hours. Sure he is a great candidate but a "proven" candidate?

For me it has nothing to do with Garrett.

It has to do with the FO's #1 choice most likely spurning their offer.

PP

[purplepoe]

Agreed. If he leaves town, he wont be coming back. With that said, I wish some here would wait until the actual decision comes down before they lose hope.

I dunno.

Him leaving the complex and hearing him talk definitely is a reason to lose some hope.

I guess not all hope because he's not in Dallas or Atlanta.

When I say hope, I don't mean Im dying for him to be the HC.

It's more in the sense of not wanting to see the FO's #1 guy roll out on them.

PP

[Greg]

Originally Posted by purplepoe
But if he walks and leaves the FO sitting there without their #1, it's a terrible PR hit and is certainly a sign that this job isn't nearly as desirable as many here think it is.
That is my point. Why are people passing on this job?


Which leads to a question I've been pondering today -- how did this story about the Ravens making an offer get leaked? There is no upside to letting that get out before he accepts the offer, if one was made.
I don't know how it got leaked, sounds like the ship is heading down the bay with a broken rudder.

WHen you start to add all of this up it seems like the FO is in a mess and the candidates can smell it.


For me it has nothing to do with Garrett.
Exactly, this guy might suck huge donkey balls. That isn't the issue, the issue is that people are passing on this job, in some cases not even interviewing.

If Marty decides he wants to keep playing with his grandchildren rather than come here then what?

[ladyraven127]

I really think Ozzie wants Shottenheimer here and you know and I know and everyone else knows it's because of our locker room "issues". The owner has created a monster and needs someone with a lot of experience and a hard ass stance to straighten it out.

Don't think that people around the league don't know what's going on here . . . . . people talk, players, coaching staff, etc. This may be at root of what you're talking about Greg.

[highwater]

If Marty decides he wants to keep playing with his grandchildren rather than come here then what?

That would be scary, because there really isn't anyone else I'd like to see come here other than Garrett or Marty.

[Greg]

It is exactly what I am getting at, we have issues here that have turned this once desirable location into a Clevelandesque situation.

[purplepoe]

It is exactly what I am getting at, we have issues here that have turned this once desirable location into a Clevelandesque situation.

I definitely think the word is out about the locker room

And for the people who just brush this aside as Preston drivel, give me a break.

I dunno what team you've been watching or following over the years but there is absolutely some major clicks in that locker room that yield a shit load of power.

The Ravens aren't insulated from this getting out. Everyone talks to everyone in the NFL.

To deny or choose to ignore that is naive IMO.

Hell, we already had a prominent player declare that he doesn't what to play for Schottenheimer.

What the hell is that?

I'll tell you what it is.

It's the sign that the culture on this team is that the players can say whatever the hell they want.

Call me a pessimist or anything else that you seem fit.

But IMO this locker room is a serious trouble spot in selling the head coaching job.

PP

[RAVENOUS52]

How about the fact that we don't yet have a warm-and-fuzzy about what the Hell our QB situation is gonna look like in 08' and that suddenly aging and injury-prone defense?

The locker room is the least of our new coach's worries right now!

[purplepoe]

Would somebody give me a logical reason why Rex Ryan was there today at the same time that Garrett was?

Two candidates in the building at the same time?

Ridiculous.

PP

[pyite32]

John Clayton is reporting Garrett is still in Baltimore and has cancelled his flight to Atlanta. He feels that Garrett will either pick us or leverage JJ for money as OC.

Link please. I have been looking for this everywhere and can't find one word about it.

[HoustonRaven]

Link please. I have been looking for this everywhere and can't find one word about it.

I tried to attach my 50" HDTV to this thread at the same time he made the statement on SportsCenter but for some reason it wouldnt work.

You do know Clayton is a TV personality, right?

[HoustonRaven]

Would somebody give me a logical reason why Rex Ryan was there today at the same time that Garrett was?

Two candidates in the building at the same time?

Ridiculous.

PP

I can think of two reasons. One, they didnt tell him what was going on today and he simply showed up. I seem to remember an article in the Sun that he is allowed to use his office still.

Two, Garrett wanted to guage his interest in being his DC.

Now THIS I will grant you is bad form and the first true PR gaff on the FO thus far.

[HoustonRaven]

... and it looks like Clayton had some bad info ....

Looks like Garrett is indeed on his way out of town (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens115,0,7632126.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout).

NOW I think we can kiss his ass good-bye! :)

EDIT: Now that I think about and saw the video attached to the link, Im not sure that he may be gone. He seems very savvy as far as his handling of the situation. I have no doubt he stunned Bisciotti by leaving and odds are he wont be back. However, if he is the shrewed business man Im taking him for, he is making the most of this situation. If he called Bisciotti tomorrow (or even by Friday) and said I accept, all is still good.

JJ would have had to already fire Wade. Blank down in Atlanta has his sights set on Sporano. I think Garrett has some play here and may very well just be thinking about this whole thing.

[pyite32]

I tried to attach my 50" HDTV to this thread at the same time he made the statement on SportsCenter but for some reason it wouldnt work.

You do know Clayton is a TV personality, right?

Actually I thought you might have seen it somewhere else too, as to confirm this.

Houston I am sorry about our argument on the National Anthem thread.

I didn't think it got personal, although it seems you took it that way.

[HoustonRaven]

Actually I thought you might have seen it somewhere else too, as to confirm this.

Houston I am sorry about our argument on the National Anthem thread.

I didn't think it got personal, although it seems you took it that way.

No worries. Didnt take it personal at all. :)

[pyite32]

So I guess this is another case of ESPN making stuff up.

[Mr.Boh]

Ok, heres my long shot what if...
Everyone keeps saying he's a stand up guy. Any chance he's going to dallas to hand in his resignation in person to JJ?

[Greg]

Ok, heres my long shot what if...
Everyone keeps saying he's a stand up guy. Any chance he's going to dallas to hand in his resignation in person to JJ?
That is indeed a possibility, but I would rank it somewhere below me growing wings and flying to the moon.

If he had taken the job the first order of business would be a press conference.

[Ravannapolis]

That is indeed a possibility, but I would rank it somewhere below me growing wings and flying to the moon.


I don't care about Garrett, but I'd pay good money to see your wing-growing feat.

[HoustonRaven]

Just popped up on ESPN's crawl and on ESPN News....

Garrett is indeed in Atlanta right now. You know, this bodes well for us. Apples to apples, we're a far better pick over the Falcons.

[pyite32]

Just popped up on ESPN's crawl and on ESPN News....

Garrett is indeed in Atlanta right now. You know, this bodes well for us. Apples to apples, we're a far better pick over the Falcons.

So ESPN was just making up news earlier... Typical

I say screw him, bring in Marty and let him make Ray Ray do the Oklahoma drill until he is too tired to run his mouth.

[highwater]

Just popped up on ESPN's crawl and on ESPN News....

Garrett is indeed in Atlanta right now.

If that's true, so much for those press reports we heard earlier about how he had cancelled his flight to Atlanta. Can we believe anyone anymore?

[purplepoe]

Is there really a debate as to whether or not an offer was made?

The front page of the Sun has this as their lead story.

Ravens offer head post to Garret

And the first sentence of the story is....

"Jason Garrett left Ravens headquarters today without accepting their offer to become head coach, but the Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator remains a top candidate."

No "report" or "sources say".

PP

[Mwjergs]

I'm amazed at the lack of patience of some fans.
Then again, I'm not.

Garrett is doing what anyone would do in his position. He is the "hot" canidate so far, why not hear the offers and then decide. He has no incentive to jump at the first offer. Not when Jerry Jones has said that he will match the money and who knows maybe guarantee he be groomed as Phillips' replacement. All other reasons are pure speculation.

I feel badly for the organization that the leak occurred. It does make them look bad if Garrett eventually doesn't decide to take this job. But, what do you expect when forty reporters from various outlets are camping out all day at Owings Mills. Someone has to find out something.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

The more I think about this the less I want Garrett.

Normally Preston is an ass and I don't agree at all with him, but this quote in his latest article says it all to me...


Or maybe Garrett really doesn't want to become a head coach. If he was really passionate about becoming a head coach, Garrett would have taken the job.

It's apparent to me that he either doesn't really want to be a HC or he is just waiting on Dallas.

[purplepoe]

I'm amazed at the lack of patience of some fans.
Then again, I'm not.

Garrett is doing what anyone would do in his position. He is the "hot" canidate so far, why not hear the offers and then decide. He has no incentive to jump at the first offer. Not when Jerry Jones has said that he will match the money and who knows maybe guarantee he be groomed as Phillips' replacement. All other reasons are pure speculation.

I feel badly for the organization that the leak occurred. It does make them look bad if Garrett eventually doesn't decide to take this job. But, what do you expect when forty reporters from various outlets are camping out all day at Owings Mills. Someone has to find out something.

How about meeting in private instead of making a spectacle at the palace?

Let's face it. We offered and he passed.

Some of us think that's pretty bad for the organization and some don't think it's much of a big deal at all.

PP

[4G63]

I definitely think the word is out about the locker room

And for the people who just brush this aside as Preston drivel, give me a break.

I dunno what team you've been watching or following over the years but there is absolutely some major clicks in that locker room that yield a shit load of power.

The Ravens aren't insulated from this getting out. Everyone talks to everyone in the NFL.

To deny or choose to ignore that is naive IMO.

Hell, we already had a prominent player declare that he doesn't what to play for Schottenheimer.

What the hell is that?

I'll tell you what it is.

It's the sign that the culture on this team is that the players can say whatever the hell they want.

Call me a pessimist or anything else that you seem fit.

But IMO this locker room is a serious trouble spot in selling the head coaching job.

PP

Why is Ray and Co. a problem? Why can't a coach just say "its my way or no pay day!"

Trust me, I'd have Ray in line real quick......Here's how it would go: "OK Ray,you wanna have it your way? Well have it on the sideline of next Sunday's game and you won't be getting paid either...."

[purplepoe]

How is going to Atlanta make it good for us?
=================================

So much for his considering our offer.

One rumor has him walking out on $2.5M. He wants $3M according to the rumor. So he walks over $500,000.

Screw him. He's just using the Ravens.

Bring in the Oklahoma drill.

:thumbdown: :141847_bdmoon:

LOL.

So you're gonna tell me that Bisciotti eats $15 million bucks in firing Billick and yet lets his clear #1 walk over 500K a year?

If the deal was 4 or even 5 years, that's a maximum of $2.5 million for the duration of the contract.

Let's face it. They thought they had Garrett and he balked.

Sorry, but there's no way I believe he walked out of that building over $500K per year.

PP

[purplepoe]

Why is Ray and Co. a problem? Why can't a coach just say "its my way or no pay day!"

Trust me, I'd have Ray in line real quick......Here's how it would go: "OK Ray,you wanna have it your way? Well have it on the sideline of next Sunday's game and you won't be getting paid either...."

What fantasy world do you live in?

You think Ray Lewis would respond to something like that?

Actually, he would. And it would be the lead story of Sportscenter.

That's the whole point. This team has lost it's way and one reason is the fact that the players do and say pretty much whatever they please.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

There is still nothing to suggest Garrett is done and for those saying he has said no already are jumping the gun. If he turned down the offer, it would be out by now. This FO has been leaking like a faucet and if he told them no we'd know it.

All signs point to him playing the field. He loved his visit with us and now wants to see what Atlanta has to say. I dont blame him one bit for it either. He's the hot kid on the market right now. Are we really faulting him for acting business like in the face of the biggest business decision of his career?

[purplepoe]

There is still nothing to suggest Garrett is done and for those saying he has said no already are jumping the gun. If he turned down the offer, it would be out by now. This FO has been leaking like a faucet and if he told them no we'd know it.

All signs point to him playing the field. He loved his visit with us and now wants to see what Atlanta has to say. I dont blame him one bit for it either. He's the hot kid on the market right now. Are we really faulting him for acting business like in the face of the biggest business decision of his career?

Dude.

Really. Who is faulting Garrett for any of this?

He's free to do what he wants.

I really don't care about Garrett. I care about the Ravens.


PP

[4G63]

Bring in the Oklahoma drill.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBKNQZcUG_I

This is what the Ravens need!!! Maybe it would bring this team closer....if the 'D' toughens up the 'O', maybe they'll play with some intensity!!!

[HoustonRaven]

Dude.

Really. Who is faulting Garrett for any of this?

He's free to do what he wants.

PP

Dude, are you reading some of these posts? According to some, he's already said no and damn near already signed with someone else.

He's negotiating still. Maybe that's his inexperience or maybe he's shrewed. I dont know. But this is far from over for us.

[purplepoe]

Dude, are you reading some of these posts? According to some, he's already said no and damn near already signed with someone else.

He's negotiating still. Maybe that's his inexperience or maybe he's shrewed. I dont know. But this is far from over for us.

But who's getting pissed at Garrett?

It's not about him. Not for me at least.

It's about having our #1 guy walk out and head down to Atlanta.

Again, you may not think it's a big deal that we seemed to be sure that Garrett would come aboard.

I think it is. I think the FO overplayed it's hand and it backfired. IMO they are all sitting around stunned that Garrett walked out without signing on the dotted line.

And he has said no. Will he come back and say yes? I doubt it. But he most definitely said no to their offer today.

PP

[4G63]

What fantasy world do you live in?

You think Ray Lewis would respond to something like that?

Actually, he would. And it would be the lead story of Sportscenter.

That's the whole point. This team has lost it's way and one reason is the fact that the players do and say pretty much whatever they please.

PP

Yeah, I do......Where I work, when you put the loud mouth in their place, everyone else learns whats up real quick. Its simple behavior modification! Trust me, if whoever the Ravens hire tells Ray basically to "Shut the fuck up", all the other little minions would fall in line real quick! Same with JO, you don't like what I'm saying, there's the fucking door....


With that statement, you're basically saying NO head coach could get this team in line?

[4G63]

Its real simple to get Ray in line PurplePoe; Ray is a gamer and leaves it on the field every game. If you take the game away from him, he'll start drinking the Kool-Aid the coach is making!

[HoustonRaven]

But who's getting pissed at Garrett?

It's not about him. Not for me at least.

It's about having our #1 guy walk out and head down to Atlanta.

Again, you may not think it's a big deal that we seemed to be sure that Garrett would come aboard.

I think it is. I think the FO overplayed it's hand and it backfired. IMO they are all sitting around stunned that Garrett walked out without signing on the dotted line.

And he has said no. Will he come back and say yes? I doubt it. But he most definitely said no to their offer today.

PP

Of course they are probably stunned. But when does that equal some larger problem? Things didnt go they way they hoped. You know what they say about best laid plans ...

And he didnt say no. You are 100% guessing at that right now. He said "Thanks and I want to hear what Atlanta has to say". Which is what any smart person would say if they had two employers fighting over them.

He may indeed still say no to us. But Garrett is not the end of us either nor some huge blunder that means the team is in a jackpot. All it means is we didnt get Garrett. Nothing more.

[Purpleguy]

The question I have is will Bisciotti even allow a head coach to suspend a player like RayRay without pay. He seems to love the players over the coach.

BTW, someone mentioned how classless it was to have Rex there today. I agree, but I think that was Rex's doing. The Biscuit let him keep his office. His fat-ass was in Atlanta this morning and he obviously didn't get the gig or even have an extensive interview. I think he knew Garrett was here and just wanted to be the asshole that he is.

[purplepoe]

Yeah, I do......Where I work, when you put the loud mouth in their place, everyone else learns whats up real quick. Its simple behavior modification! Trust me, if whoever the Ravens hire tells Ray basically to "Shut the fuck up", all the other little minions would fall in line real quick! Same with JO, you don't like what I'm saying, there's the fucking door....


With that statement, you're basically saying NO head coach could get this team in line?

And you think comparing your workplace to the Ravens locker room is a realistic analogy?

Im saying that this locker room is so set in its ways that it's going to be a monumental task to get it in order.

And Im certainly saying that coming in like a drill sergeant would result in some serious chaos.

I don't like it but I think that's where we are at this point in time with this team.

PP

[purplepoe]

Of course they are probably stunned. But when does that equal some larger problem? Things didnt go they way they hoped. You know what they say about best laid plans ...

And he didnt say no. You are 100% guessing at that right now. He said "Thanks and I want to hear what Atlanta has to say". Which is what any smart person would say if they had two employers fighting over them.

He may indeed still say no to us. But Garrett is not the end of us either nor some huge blunder that means the team is in a jackpot. All it means is we didnt get Garrett. Nothing more.

I don't know how I can be any clearer.

This has zero to do with Garrett.

Substitute any other candidate's name for him and I'd feel the same way.

I think the fact that our #1 candidate sat there for 7 hours and turned down their offer is a bad sign.

Period.

PP

[Purpleguy]

Its real simple to get Ray in line PurplePoe; Ray is a gamer and leaves it on the field every game. If you take the game away from him, he'll start drinking the Kool-Aid the coach is making!

Ray has taken games off before. Ray is a gamer and has the "heart of a champion" as long as the team is in the playoff hunt or playing an unbeaten team. Take away that and he's a malcontent.

[HoustonRaven]

Ray has taken games off before. Ray is a gamer and has the "heart of a champion" as long as the team is in the playoff hunt or playing an unbeaten team. Take away that and he's a malcontent.

Yep, that about did it for you .... To say Ray dogs it is so devoid of fact, it warrants being placed in the ignore column.

[4G63]

Ray has taken games off before. Ray is a gamer and has the "heart of a champion" as long as the team is in the playoff hunt or playing an unbeaten team. Take away that and he's a malcontent.

Then why keep him? Like I said before, whoever the new coach is needs to come in and get everyone on the same page. You treat the team like men but let everyone know what the rules are. If a player has a problem with something, we'll meet like men in his office and discuss it.....but the coach has the final say!

Look, these guys want to win. If a coach comes in and does what I said, they'll play along! You guys act like we have a bunch of serial killers on the team....

[Purpleguy]

Then why keep him? Like I said before, whoever the new coach is needs to come in and get everyone on the same page. You treat the team like men but let everyone know what the rules are. If a player has a problem with something, we'll meet like men in his office and discuss it.....but the coach has the final say!

Look, these guys want to win. If a coach comes in and does what I said, they'll play along! You guys act like we have a bunch of serial killers on the team....


I've been saying that all along. He only has one year left on his deal. He's made notions that he wants another big payday, which I don't think we could afford nor should give him. We're not going anywhere next year. Why not trade him while he still may be able to fetch a 3rd rounder from a desperate team?

[4G63]

And you think comparing your workplace to the Ravens locker room is a realistic analogy?

Im saying that this locker room is so set in its ways that it's going to be a monumental task to get it in order.

And Im certainly saying that coming in like a drill sergeant would result in some serious chaos.

I don't like it but I think that's where we are at this point in time with this team.

PP

Where I work, Yes!!......

[4G63]

I've been saying that all along. He only has one year left on his deal. He's made notions that he wants another big payday, which I don't think we could afford nor should give him. We're not going anywhere next year. Why not trade him while he still may be able to fetch a 3rd rounder from a desperate team?

I'm not advocating getting rid of Ray nor do I think he takes games off, but I think he is the key to getting this team ready for battle! The younger guys look up to him and Bisciotti loves him so if the new coach has the stones to put him in place when needed then all the better!!

[ravenjoe]

IMHO, this is what happens when corporate types are running the show. Ozzie should've been allowed to negotiate with his Top choice from the beginning. From all accounts, his first choice was Marty, who declined an interview until the start of the second round. If the FO had pursued Marty (or even Cowher) with half the conviction they did in pursuing JG, we might have a solid HC in place right now. Only an opinion. Another personal opinion is that this team's rep around the league is that of a 'trainwreck' - this may not be too far off! A meddling owner; a divided locker room; zero offense; and a bunch of highpriced primodonnas running the show!

[Sephy]

I don't know how I can be any clearer.

This has zero to do with Garrett.

Substitute any other candidate's name for him and I'd feel the same way.

I think the fact that our #1 candidate sat there for 7 hours and turned down their offer is a bad sign.

Period.

PP

I kind of look at it the opposite way. How could he sit there for 7 hours if he DIDN'T want the job? As far as I'm concerned - for now it is about money, and he is trying to be shrewd. He had that little "I'm the shit" twinkle in his eye when he met with the media. If he signs tomorrow or Thursday here, will it still be a bad sign that he turned down whatever offer in the meantime? In either case, I'm sure we'll know in a day or two.

I don't pretend to know what's in his mind right now, but I can't blanket say its a bad sign that he isn't inked. Had he flat out said no, this isn't for me, then I would share your view. And if he does go on to turn us down - I will as well.

[Drkraven]

My heart of hearts tells me the wife made the decision--she did not look very happy on tv. If mamma's not happy no one happy.

[4G63]

My heart of hearts tells me the wife made the decision--she did not look very happy on tv. If mamma's not happy no one happy.

he he, you're probably right.....although she may not like being on TV either.

[HoustonRaven]

My heart of hearts tells me the wife made the decision--she did not look very happy on tv. If mamma's not happy no one happy.

Maybe they made a wrong turn on Rt. 40 and headed into the city?

[4G63]

Maybe they made a wrong turn on Rt. 40 and headed into the city?

Or maybe Liberty Road?

[HoustonRaven]

Or maybe Liberty Road?

ahhh ... touche! (I dont know how to make that little accent mark above the "e")

[RavenScallywag]

maybe she was upset at Jason for not signing yet, because she liked Baltimore a lot? :229031_confused2:

[HoustonRaven]

maybe she was upset at Jason for not signing yet, because she liked Baltimore a lot? :229031_confused2:

We only have 2 Nordstrom's in the area -- Columbia and Towson. Maybe that wasnt enough for her?

[4G63]

We only have 2 Nordstrom's in the area -- Columbia and Towson. Maybe that wasnt enough for her?

Maybe she walked through Owings Mills Mall?!? :179421:

[Mwjergs]

How about meeting in private instead of making a spectacle at the palace?

Let's face it. We offered and he passed.

Some of us think that's pretty bad for the organization and some don't think it's much of a big deal at all.

PP

I'm not sure what you mean by spectacle. He was there for seven hours as part of his second interview. There had been reporters who spent all day camped out at OM, even with some blogging away about only what they had seen. "Rex Ryan's on his cell phone. What does it all mean?"

The leak occurred to the press about the offer. If no one reports an offer, no one blogs for hours about the perceived slight, or write columuns about how he doesn't really want to be a head coach. It would have been just a second interview.
But, with reporters crawling everywhere the news was hard to keep secret or private.

Officially he did not pass. If he did he would have said so. He is keeping his options open. It's simple economic sense. He has several options, he will hear them and then decide.
I see how some fans get upset that with an offer on the table to coach our team, why wouldn't you jump at the chance? This isn't about any worry about team chemistry or meddling owners, or acid rain. It's a man weighing his options.

[4G63]

I'm not sure what you mean by spectacle. He was there for seven hours as part of his second interview. There had been reporters who spent all day camped out at OM, even with some blogging away about only what they had seen. "Rex Ryan's on his cell phone. What does it all mean?"

The leak occurred to the press about the offer. If no one reports an offer, no one blogs for hours about the perceived slight, or write columuns about how he doesn't really want to be a head coach. It would have been just a second interview.
But, with reporters crawling everywhere the news was hard to keep secret or private.

Officially he did not pass. If he did he would have said so. He is keeping his options open. It's simple economic sense. He has several options, he will hear them and then decide.
I see how some fans get upset that with an offer on the table to coach our team, why wouldn't you jump at the chance? This isn't about any worry about team chemistry or meddling owners, or acid rain. It's a man weighing his options.

Very true....but that door should be closing real soon!!!

[jonboy79]

If he truly is the #1 candidate which seems obvious, and an offer was indeed made, why would it slam shit? We may interview other candidates, but if we still like him best and he wants the job it's his.
I think he's off to see what ATL says, and then he'll head back to DAL and see of JJ will match the contract as a HC in Dallas, and take the best offer of the three. IT does matter which city his wife likes best, and I could see how Baltimore could be seen in a poor light.

[RAVENOUS52]

With our fans, facilities and rich tradition, Baltimore will always be a desired destination, no matter what Garrett decides!

This guy's decision will not mean the upswing or downfall of our franchise... I promise you this!

[HoustonRaven]

Just read this in the Dallas Morning News ....

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/011608dnspocowcoaching.285b453.html

It's nothing new, but the tone is not very hopeful that Garrett will stay here in Texas. One thing they point out that I didnt know was when Garrett first interviewed with the Falcons, they did not have a GM at the time.

Still very possible we will get Garrett, IMO. Garrett may have wanted to actually meet with their GM before making any decisions. The Houston TV stations are saying Garrett is back in Dallas, meeting with JJ either tonight or tomorrow.

[ravenjoe]

Maybe she walked through Owings Mills Mall?!? :179421:
If she had walked through Owings Mills, that would've been her last walk! Hell, she is not cut out for Charm City living; she needs the wealth and society that only Dallas has to offer. I think we need to go with Rex, and get this thing settled - he deserves a shot!

[TTRaven]

If she had walked through Owings Mills, that would've been her last walk! Hell, she is not cut out for Charm City living; she needs the wealth and society that only Dallas has to offer. I think we need to go with Rex, and get this thing settled - he deserves a shot!

I doubt Rex was even seriously considered for the job in the first place. With Garrett turning down Atlanta, it's looks like Rex could be on his way there.

[Rayvens52]

I doubt Rex was even seriously considered for the job in the first place. With Garrett turning down Atlanta, it's looks like Rex could be on his way there.

where have you seen he has turned down the atlanta job, right now that offer is about as clear as ours is. Sources say an offer was made but bank will need exceed the 3m mark. If Garrett does indeed turn down both jobs in bmore and atl he would be an idiot, there are only 32 of these jobs around and it is not every day they are offered. Even if jones says this job is yours when wade is gone, how long might that be, what if wade takes them to a super bowl once or twice or a couple of conf champ games, are you going to fire him, prob not...so passing up this opportunity could be a carrer killer IMO.

[Purpleguy]

With our fans, facilities and rich tradition, Baltimore will always be a desired destination, no matter what Garrett decides!

This guy's decision will not mean the upswing or downfall of our franchise... I promise you this!

R52, I love your enthusiasm, but I also remember a day when the Orioles had far and away the best stadium and fanbase in MLB. Top FA's and managers bit at the chance to play here. Things can quickly turn around for any franchise.

[Sephy]

Honestly, this dude is just beyond enigma status right now. I have NEVER seen a candidate offered a job waffle so much on any level. At this point, I don't think it has anything to do with the Baltimore Ravens, this is just Jason Garrett being an indecisive weirdo.

[Rayvens52]

R52, I love your enthusiasm, but I also remember a day when the Orioles had far and away the best stadium and fanbase in MLB. Top FA's and managers bit at the chance to play here. Things can quickly turn around for any franchise.

you are right about that, things do change. But everyone is maiing way to big a deal about everything here. The whole Billick thing is not that much of a shocker, you guys act like he has not been on the hot seat for a couple of years now. People get fired all the time, so what if he told him he was safe and then fired him after the season, if you think for one minute he thought he was safe you are kidding yourself. You guys also act as if there are no conversations going on ehind closed doors and we know everything. I know for a fact they talked to billick about his future with the team during and after the bye week. You also think any other coach out there is saying oh shit jason garrett didn't sign in baltimore, must be a real shitty place there no way do i want that job, they only won the super bowl 8 years ago, were 13-3 last year, had a bad year due to injuries, but shit garrett didn't sign so let me call my agent and say no way. Get a grip people some of you are out of your minds.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Well, according to Jamison Hensley (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravensgarrett0116,0,4331444.story), It's either Garrett or Harbaugh as we aren't thinking about keeping Rex or hiring Marty.

I don't want a guy who not only doesn't want to be here, but doesn't even want to be a HC.

[4G63]

you are right about that, things do change. But everyone is maiing way to big a deal about everything here. The whole Billick thing is not that much of a shocker, you guys act like he has not been on the hot seat for a couple of years now. People get fired all the time, so what if he told him he was safe and then fired him after the season, if you think for one minute he thought he was safe you are kidding yourself. You guys also act as if there are no conversations going on ehind closed doors and we know everything. I know for a fact they talked to billick about his future with the team during and after the bye week. You also think any other coach out there is saying oh shit jason garrett didn't sign in baltimore, must be a real shitty place there no way do i want that job, they only won the super bowl 8 years ago, were 13-3 last year, had a bad year due to injuries, but shit garrett didn't sign so let me call my agent and say no way. Get a grip people some of you are out of your minds.

Good post and I agree....everyone needs to relax about this. They'll get someone good enough for us!

[B-more Ravor]

Honestly, this dude is just beyond enigma status right now. I have NEVER seen a candidate offered a job waffle so much on any level. At this point, I don't think it has anything to do with the Baltimore Ravens, this is just Jason Garrett being an indecisive weirdo.
Well, according to Jamison Hensley (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravensgarrett0116,0,4331444.story), It's either Garrett or Harbaugh as we aren't thinking about keeping Rex or hiring Marty.

I don't want a guy who not only doesn't want to be here, but doesn't even want to be a HC.

I'm moving more and more toward that position. Yeah, it's a big decision, but you've got to have the stones and fortitude to make it when teams are waiting on you. Either you're in (be it here or Atl) or you're not in.

I'm also - the more I hear about him - liking Harbaugh more and more.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Has a man who was actually offered a HC gig turn it down to be a coordinator before?

I'm not talking about refusing interviews for whatever reason (like the OC in Cleveland or McDaniels in NE)...I'm talking about going out to 1st and 2nd interviews and negotiating contracts and being offered the job...and turning the promotion down to go back to being a coordinator.

This guy just seems way too flaky for me.

Bring on Harbaugh.

[Rayvens52]

Has a man who was actually offered a HC gig turn it down to be a coordinator before?

I'm not talking about refusing interviews for whatever reason (like the OC in Cleveland or McDaniels in NE)...I'm talking about going out to 1st and 2nd interviews and negotiating contracts and being offered the job...and turning the promotion down to go back to being a coordinator.

This guy just seems way too flaky for me.

Bring on Harbaugh.

You would be right if he turned down both gigs, but why can't the guy just havea day or two, why can't he go to atl like he was supposed to and see how much better the balt job is, how do we know that after offering him x amount of a dollars a year we didn't say ok, go to atl and listen to them and call us back, becuase we are not worried about losing a guy to atl. I just don't understand why everyone feels like he had to sign right then.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

According to Hensley, he is reportedly leaning towards staying in Dallas.

This guy went on this dog and pony show and apparently never had his heart into becoming a HC.

[highwater]

I'm also - the more I hear about him - liking Harbaugh more and more.

I am also thinking that Harbaugh, from what I've heard and read, could be a very intriguing choice. He sounds like a coach that has that certain something.

[Sephy]

If I'm Bisciotti, I either give him tomorrow morning to sign, or I pull the offer. Maybe he can come at a much reduced price if he makes up his mind - but I'd just turn to Harbaugh.

[HoustonRaven]

If I'm Bisciotti, I either give him tomorrow morning to sign, or I pull the offer. Maybe he can come at a much reduced price if he makes up his mind - but I'd just turn to Harbaugh.

Agreed.

If he cant see the good in coming here, then screw his red-headed arse and lets look at Harbaugh.