Have all things ceased in OM ??

[ravenmad71]

Im just taken a few minutes I guess to vent/ponder/and say what is going on with the interview process in OM? Thursday and today things have seemingly come to a halt. They ( Steve B, Ozzie and Cass ) were off to a good start and now you hear nothing but crickets. I can't believe the inital round of interviews there willing to stand pat on those guys alone. Im still a big suppoter of J. Schwartz getting a interview ( at least that..) throw in a few other assistants. If they think J. Garrett is there guy fine.. I have hard time believing J. Jones lets him walk as much as he's coveted. I could say more.. They just need to get this thing cranked up again...

comments from SI.com article on Schwartz interview ( below )

And this was no cursory three-hour, keep-your-name-on-file interview either. Snyder and Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato met for about nine hours with Schwartz at Sndyer's mansion overlooking the Potomac River.

Sources say Snyder came away very impressed with Schwartz's intelligence, coaching philosophy and communication skills. That Schwartz, 41, is close to Snyder in age (the owner is 42), and knows the D.C. market from having grown up in Baltimore and attended Georgetown further boosts his candidacy. That common ground lent itself to a long and surprisingly detailed and wide-ranging conversation that stretched from morning until early evening.

And there's another factor that could work in Schwartz's favor: He's suddenly in demand, at least in terms of head coaching interviews. Schwartz was scheduled to be in Atlanta on Friday to interview for the Falcons' coaching vacancy, and the Dolphins received permission to meet with him about their opening on Monday. Knowing he may have competition for Schwartz can't possibly do anything but deepen Snyder's interest in him, since Snyder seldom shies away from a bidding war.

[Losac]

Very strange he's interviewed with every other team that has a HC vacancy, yet nothing scheduled with the Ravens. I really give up trying to figure this team out.

[flraven]

Very strange he's interviewed with every other team that has a HC vacancy, yet nothing scheduled with the Ravens. I really give up trying to figure this team out.

You're right, since they've interviewed quite a few candidates, including the head-scratcher son-of-Marty, why not bring this guy in for a sit-down?

[Purpleguy]

Ozzie needs some rest.

[HoustonRaven]

Could be they have a hand shake agreement in place with a playoff coach .... maybe Garret?

[Rayvens52]

you are way to concenered. It has not been long enough to make a choice yet. There is no way they pick a coach until after the super bowl. Why would you want to rush this dicision anyway. If they are truly looking for a coach to be here for the next 10 years they will take there good old time with this as they should be, I am not interested in picking a coach like snyder does (first big name we interview we sign)

[purplepoe]

I've been one of the biggest skeptics regarding this whole thing.

But this isn't that much of a concern.

Every possible candidate that is still coaching in the playoffs cannot be contacted until their respective teams are eliminated.

We'll see.

I think many of us just aren't used to this.

I know Im not.

PP

[ravenwoman]

I understand that there are still more candidates to be interviewed, whoever they are. Drew Forrester mentioned the NY Giants DC, (can't spell or pronounce his name, begins with an S) as one possibility.

I am becoming impatient only because I am afraid the Ravens will be slow at the switch, and I do think time is of the essence here, especially since there may be more teams looking for head coaches once the playoffs and Super Bowl is over. So unless they already have a gentlemen's agreement in place, I am becoming a bit nervous.

[ravenjoe]

So unless they already have a gentlemen's agreement in place, I am becoming a bit nervous.
Ravenwoman, have a bottle of vino and do what I'm doing, chilling. I know one other owner in Charm City who has always been slow to act, and we all know his name.

[Gabrosin]

I'm expecting it to be Jason Garrett. It's all hearsay but he seems like a fine choice. I'm willing to put my trust in the front office; they did well in choosing Billick and I believe they'll make another good choice here.

[AZRAVEN]

Remember it was the Modell regime that brought Billick in. Who knows what Cass and Mr Whimsey will come up with.

[braven98]

They will name a coach real soon....ticket invoices are due out in feb. We shall see who loses this weekend if we are targeting a coach that is out of the PO by Sunday night Monday we will have a new HC.

[ladyraven127]

"Who knows what Cass and Mr Whimsey will come up with."

Any may I add, why would Cass even have a voice in who our next coach should be other then how much money said new coach would be making.

Am I the only one that thinks that's disturbingly weird? :229031_confused2:

[psuasskicker]

What's most interesting to me isn't that they're taking a break from interviewing - which is weird enough in its own right - but that they're not even asking permission to speak with other assistant coaches anymore. You don't just stop searching without knowing who your guy is gonna be. That's a disaster waiting to happen. Two options here, I think.

1 - They're in serious talks with Marty. I think this is less likely because I would think (as any businessman should, and Bischiotti is a very good businessman) that they would continue interviewing while talking to him. You always have to prepare for things to go bad.

2 - They've got their next coach already, and he's still in the playoffs so it can't be announced. Sparano's headed to Miami by all accounts, which leaves Garrett and Caldwell.

50/50 on either. I'd say right now, odds are very high it's one of those two, moderate on Sparano and Shotty, and very low on everyone else.

- C -

[AZRAVEN]

"Who knows what Cass and Mr Whimsey will come up with."

Any may I add, why would Cass even have a voice in who our next coach should be other then how much money said new coach would be making.

Am I the only one that thinks that's disturbingly weird? :229031_confused2:

I don't know the degree of involvement that Cass has but my feeling, based on his role in Billick's firing, is that it's significant. I was struck at the presser on Billick's departure how quickly and enthusiastically Cass responded in the affirmative that he was in agreement with Mr Whimsey's decision.

[purplepoe]

I don't know the degree of involvement that Cass has but my feeling, based on his role in Billick's firing, is that it's significant. I was struck at the presser on Billick's departure how quickly and enthusiastically Cass responded in the affirmative that he was in agreement with Mr Whimsey's decision.

Agreed.

Of the 3 guys sitting up there at the presser, Cass was by far the most comfortable with the firing.

But hey, he ran a law firm for 30 years so he's gotta have good football sense right?

Our owner sure thinks so.

:eyes:

PP

[purplepoe]

First of all, Tags led Biscuit to Cass when he took over and asked for advice on a club Prez. Dave Modell was out.

Cass had worked with Jones and the Boyz and elsewhere in the NFL and was highly respected and still is.

Terminating anyone is an admin decision and in this case the future of a $1B franchise was involved. It was a buisness decision and a man who invests that kind of $$ has the right to change his mind after forking out that much. He consulted with other owners for the football part and his man Cass for the business part.

Some people need to understand that.

Gee thanks.

I understand exactly what his credentials are.

And he's not a football guy. Period.

I'll keep my opinion that him being highly involved in decisions such as head coaches isn't a good thing for this franchise.

PP

[highwater]

Terminating anyone is an admin decision and in this case the future of a $1B franchise was involved. It was a buisness decision and a man who invests that kind of $$ has the right to change his mind after forking out that much.

You make it sound like they fired an accountant. Sure, you can call it a business decision if you want to, but it's also a football decision -- we're talking about the entire coaching staff -- and I'm not too comfortable with Cass getting that involved in it.

Of course the owner can make his own call, I just wish (and hope) that he would rely on the GM, who IS a football guy, more than an attorney.

[Marchetti]

I have it on good authority they're not meeting with Russ Grimm today.:(

[crazyraven]

we dont know if anything has stopped, Ozzie has been through this before and was able to grab a HC who was able to turn a team around in a short amount of time. I actually feel alright about that part of it


He consulted with other owners for the football part and his man Cass for the business part.

Whenever I hear SB saying that he has spoken with his "Partners" for advice with running his team, I cringe. Could you imagine the conversations if he has consulted with the likes of Al davis, Dan Snyder etc


And he's not a football guy. Period.

Agreed but hes got the owners ear.

[AZRAVEN]

First of all, Tags led Biscuit to Cass when he took over and asked for advice on a club Prez. Dave Modell was out.

Cass had worked with Jones and the Boyz and elsewhere in the NFL and was highly respected and still is.

Terminating anyone is an admin decision and in this case the future of a $1B franchise was involved. It was a buisness decision and a man who invests that kind of $$ has the right to change his mind after forking out that much. He consulted with other owners for the football part and his man Cass for the business part.

Some people need to understand that.

Gee, I wonder why the fact that Tags led Mr Whimsey to Cass doesn't fill my heart with confidence. After all, we all know what a great football guy Tags was and how he was always looking out for the best interests of Baltimore. :grbac:
It also encourages me greatly that he is seeking the counsel of his competitors as to who he should interview and hire, I mean, there is no doubt that Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder and Al Davis want to see the Ravens winning the SB soon. :261695:

[purplepoe]

we dont know if anything has stopped, Ozzie has been through this before and was able to grab a HC who was able to turn a team around in a short amount of time. I actually feel alright about that part of it



Whenever I hear SB saying that he has spoken with his "Partners" for advice with running his team, I cringe. Could you imagine the conversations if he has consulted with the likes of Al davis, Dan Snyder etc



Agreed but hes got the owners ear.

I wouldn't say things have "stopped" necessarily but they've slowed down. Im sure they are still working on pros and cons of the guys they have already interviewed as well as potential candidates to interview.

Sometimes I dunno what Bisciotti is trying to convey with some of the things he says. He's definitely not comfortable in front of the camera and IMO that causes some of his statements to be a bit confusing etc...

And yes, it does seem as if Cass has Bisciotti's ear.

And that gives me a very uneasy feeling.

PP

[ladyraven127]

I with Poe and AZ . . . . disturbingly uneasy feeling indeed :confused:

[purplepoe]

I with Poe and AZ . . . . disturbingly uneasy feeling indeed :confused:

Hey, if LR is with me, then I know Im on the right track!!

PP

[camdenyard]

Cass should have very little to say about this decision. This is Ozzie's job. Or it should be.

[purplepoe]

And he's not a football guy.
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Actually he is. He told Bisciotti that he'd earn more on his investment with treasury notes than a pro football team. He was sure knew football - especially from the buisness end.

Do you read what you write?

He's a business man.

I dunno what your post means anyway.

From what I can decipher it pretty much backs up my point, not yours.

Dick Cass is a lawyer and a business man and by all accounts a good one.

Why are you insisting that translates into being able to make sound decisions when it comes to personnel on an NFL team?

Can he make Bisciotti more money by giving him sound BUSINESS advice? Sure.

I'd prefer that Bisciotti left the football decisions to the football people.

PP

[psuasskicker]

Maybe Bischiotti should actually be consulting you guys. Why talk to the 3rd year president of an NFL club when you can get advice from a fan? Clearly you guys know better.

- C -

[ladyraven127]

Actually, I just got off the phone with Bischiotti. I believe he was going to call Poe and AZ next. Ozzie asked him to call us. Seems he wanted someone other then him to tell his boss that the football people should be making these decisions.

:beer1:

Thanks for you endorsement although it appears that we don't need it.

[Rayvens52]

seriously, don't you think Cass knows a little bit about football and how to make a team run, this is the third team he has been evolved with right? If you honestly think that ozzie didn't play into this dicision you are crazy. When THEY decided to fire Billick is irrelevent anyway. The only people who care about the time line are the fans. I love how everyone was calling for billicks head 4 weeks ago, now everyone thinks it is a really bad decision. Everyone needs to relax a little, i'm glad we have not hired a coach yet, if we would have it would have been done without looking over all the potential coaches out ther. Please remember football is a business period, you don't just hire the guy you want to run your billion dollar business overnight.

[highwater]

I love how everyone was calling for billicks head 4 weeks ago, now everyone thinks it is a really bad decision.

Exaggerate much? Everyone was not calling for Billick's head four weeks ago, and everyone doesn't think it is a really bad decision now.

But if you have to resort to fiction to make an argument, go right ahead.

[jonboy79]

Actually, I just got off the phone with Bischiotti. I believe he was going to call Poe and AZ next. Ozzie asked him to call us. Seems he wanted someone other then him to tell his boss that the football people should be making these decisions.

:beer1:

Thanks for you endorsement although it appears that we don't need it.


Cass just called me and told me that his portion of the decision making process on the firing of Billick, was almost solely around the ROI of making a change for the better, and eating the sunk Cost of Billick's Salary in additionto the new Coach's salary. Mr Cass informed me that the supplememntary income provided by an increased number of wins and playoff births, as well as fan interaction will more then cover the additional coaching salary.
Not really, but did some of you ever think that Biscotti had a hard time admitting his mistake, eating the extension and getting over it, when everyone knew it was the right move? It seems to me that Cass is more then qualified to help the man make that kind of decision.

[MrPoeJangles]

I look at it one of two ways:

1) They were blown away by one of the canidates they can not contact again until after they are eliminated. (Garett, Sparano).

2) They realize thye have made a huge mistake and they are going to try to save face and minimize the damage and hire M. Schottenheimer or Ryan.

I need to say I beleieve that Ryan will make a great HC some day, but for this team he would be a retread and would be a step back from Billick. I also don't believe MS would be a bad hire, but for the life of me I can't see how that is and upgrade over Billick.

Hopefully I am wrong but I fear that the Biscuit was right two years ago when he decided to keep Billick because he was not sure he could find a better coach in the open market. Maybe BB is not the best coach in the NFL, but he sure looks a hell of alot better then what is available tp replace him with.

It almost seems we were trying to make sure we did not miss the boat on K Ferentz. To bad he decided he was happy in Iowa.

I sure hope I am wrong.

[ladyraven127]

"Cass just called me"

Cool beans. Maybe you and me and Cass and the Biscuit and AZ and Poe can have a little sit down and have a coach by the end of the week.

Whatcha think? :glasses:

[UKRavenStockers]

Can I maybe join in by conference call? I think my lab just had some fancy new big screen facilities built in, I'm sure they wouldn't mind my using it for such a noble cause. :D

[purplepoe]

LOL.

I love how the masses just think this FO can do no wrong.

PP

[Purpleguy]

LOL.

I love how the masses just think this FO can do no wrong.

PP

Watching these playoff teams and comparing them to our "team", it is obvious that our FO has done plenty wrong.

[UKRavenStockers]

Sure you can and I'll even e-mail you the crab cakes.


:grbac: :rolling:

Fax them first thing in the morning. :laugh:

[purplepoe]

Watching these playoff teams and comparing them to our "team", it is obvious that our FO has done plenty wrong.

No way PG.

It was all Billick's fault.

PP

[ladyraven127]

Well, don't you worry none boys . . . . Dick Cass has it under control :thumbup:

On a side note . . . . I didn't realize that offensive lines where suppose to block pass rushers? Did you? And receivers getting open and catching balls . . . . what's the world coming to.

On another side note . . . . . does anyone but me thinks it's absolutely hysterical that Jonathan Ogden doesn't want to play for Shottenheimer because he might actually make him do something in the preseason (like attend camp). :rolling:

[Purpleguy]

If Ogden doesn't retire him then we should cut his lazy ass. I don't care who the coach is. Today was a prime example of the importance of solid o-line play. The Chargers line made Billy fucking Volek look like a pro-bowler.

I don't think the young guys we have in place are going to pan out, mainly because i don't think Ozzie knows how to evaluate o-lineman, but all Ogden is doing is holding a roster spot hostage.

[UKRavenStockers]

If Ogden doesn't retire him then we should cut his lazy ass. I don't care who the coach is. Today was a prime example of the importance of solid o-line play. The Chargers line made Billy fucking Volek look like a pro-bowler.

I don't think the young guys we have in place are going to pan out, mainly because i don't think Ozzie knows how to evaluate o-lineman, but all Ogden is doing is holding a roster spot hostage.

The guys we have in place have the talent to form a good unit. Jared Gaither has about as high a ceiling as an LT can have, Jason Brown is already an all-pro calibre guard, Ben Grubbs has ten year starter potential.

It's not Ozzie's job to develop the talent and form it into a unit.

[Greg]

Maybe Bischiotti should actually be consulting you guys. Why talk to the 3rd year president of an NFL club when you can get advice from a fan? Clearly you guys know better.
Well psuTicketScalper, I would say he SHOULD consult us, and we would tell him to NOT LISTEN TO US, OR CASS, OR ANY OTHER PERSON WHO HASN'T SPENT MOST OF THEIR ADULT LIFE LIVING AND BREATHING NFL FOOTBALL REGARDING WHOM TO HIRE!

[AZRAVEN]

Well, don't you worry none boys . . . . Dick Cass has it under control :thumbup:

On a side note . . . . I didn't realize that offensive lines where suppose to block pass rushers? Did you? And receivers getting open and catching balls . . . . what's the world coming to.

On another side note . . . . . does anyone but me thinks it's absolutely hysterical that Jonathan Ogden doesn't want to play for Shottenheimer because he might actually make him do something in the preseason (like attend camp). :rolling:

Yes, it's cracking me up. It's the best reason to hire Marty I can think of, actually, it's about the only reason I can think of. One whining malcontent down and let's see.. how many more to go.

[Sephy]

If Ogden doesn't retire him then we should cut his lazy ass. I don't care who the coach is. Today was a prime example of the importance of solid o-line play. The Chargers line made Billy fucking Volek look like a pro-bowler.


Lets not get out of hand here - Volek threw a grand total of 4 passes. And one he had to roll all the way almost to the sideline to get off.

OL play is crucial of course, but its not like we don't have the makings of a young talented OL. We have 2 guards for the future, at least one tackle. Maybe a center if Chester ever shows something. That's certainly a start.

[Purpleguy]

All I can say is that if Garrett truly is their guy someone better wake Ozzie up and have him make Garrett a generous offer right now. I have a felling he will be head coach of the Cowboys by tommorow morning.

[RavenScallywag]

so, with the Colts and Cowboys losses today, almost a guarantee of activity in OM this week, as we'll probably try to bring both back for 2nd interviews!

I'm thinking our list has to be Garrett and Schottenheimer (Marty) tied at 1, with Caldwell and Rex being our backups, and Harbaugh and B. Schottenheimer being "Thanks for giving us some publicity" candidates. I don't include Sparano because I bet he's hired as the Dolphins coach tomorrow or Tuesday.

[purplepoe]

All I can say is that if Garrett truly is their guy someone better wake Ozzie up and have him make Garrett a generous offer right now. I have a felling he will be head coach of the Cowboys by tommorow morning.

Been sayin the same thing.

That game is the perfect excuse for Jones to can Phillips and promote Garrett to HC.

PP

[Purpleguy]

Been sayin the same thing.

That game is the perfect excuse for Jones to can Phillips and promote Garrett to HC.

PP

Actually I think Jones was on the sideline at the end of that game waiting to fire Wade.

[purplepoe]

Actually I think Jones was on the sideline at the end of that game waiting to fire Wade.

A picture said a thousand words if you saw Jones after the INT to end the game.

The wheels could easily already be in motion.

PP

[HoustonRaven]

A picture said a thousand words if you saw Jones after the INT to end the game.

The wheels could easily already be in motion.

PP

And did you see the post game stat .... Phillips is 0-4 in the playoffs .... all the reasoning he needs now.

[ladyraven127]

Great minds must think alike. I turned to Fanatic after that pick and said "Wade's a goner".

I'm athinkin' we're going to be seeing some action tomorrow.

[RavenScallywag]

Here's a question...would we be able to hire a current OC as our OC if we added assistant HC to their title?

Because here's my thought if Garrett and Caldwell are promoted on their own teams...Hire Marty on a 2 year deal and bring in a "young HC prospect" to groom to succeed him in 2 years.

[purplepoe]

Here's a question...would we be able to hire a current OC as our OC if we added assistant HC to their title?

Because here's my thought if Garrett and Caldwell are promoted on their own teams...Hire Marty on a 2 year deal and bring in a "young HC prospect" to groom to succeed him in 2 years.

I've heard some other people mention this and it leaves me scratching my head.

Those scenarios are rare and not ideal IMO.

What if the successor coordinates the offense or defense for 2 years and we stink on said side of the ball for those 2 years.

What if a guy like Marty decides he wants to stay longer than 2 years after initially saying he'd only stay for 2 year?

And lastly, I doubt you'll find any veteran coach willing to take only a 2 year deal and have his successor standing next to him on the sidelines.

I can just imagine our locker room if some of the me first players decide they like the future HC more than the current HC.

The problems that would cause would make what we've seen over the last 2 weeks seem like nothing.

PP

[RavenScallywag]

Let the headscratching continue, if the pecking order they report is true...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens0113,0,4741630.story

Seriously, Brian Schottenheimer is our #2? John Harbaugh our #3? Jeesh, if this is true, I give up. I was trying to be hopeful about this season, but why would we hire either of those two? Just because they're young coaches? SETUP FOR FAILURE.

See, again, this is not a complaint about timeline. It's a complaint that our priorities must be WAYYYY off in our search.

[ravenwoman]

Let the headscratching continue, if the pecking order they report is true...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens0113,0,4741630.story

Seriously, Brian Schottenheimer is our #2? John Harbaugh our #3? Jeesh, if this is true, I give up. I was trying to be hopeful about this season, but why would we hire either of those two? Just because they're young coaches? SETUP FOR FAILURE.

See, again, this is not a complaint about timeline. It's a complaint that our priorities must be WAYYYY off in our search.

The Ravens may not be finished interviewing yet. I don't believe the Brian Shottenheimer observation. I think the whole thing behind his interview was that he was fronting for his Dad. Again like I said in another post, there may have been interviews via conference calling or web cam. That way, reporters don't see people being shuffled in and out of the building. However, I do believe Garrett is the front runner, because that's who Mr. B. likes. Ultimately, it will be his decision and what we think really won't matter.

[HoustonRaven]

Let the headscratching continue, if the pecking order they report is true...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens0113,0,4741630.story

Seriously, Brian Schottenheimer is our #2? John Harbaugh our #3? Jeesh, if this is true, I give up. I was trying to be hopeful about this season, but why would we hire either of those two? Just because they're young coaches? SETUP FOR FAILURE.

See, again, this is not a complaint about timeline. It's a complaint that our priorities must be WAYYYY off in our search.

Jameson (the reporter, not the alcohol) is usually pretty reliable but here he is using 3rd hand info AND in the next paragraph he concedes there is zero talk coming from OM.

I do think Garret is the number one seed. But Brian as number 2? I dont see it.

[RavenScallywag]

I guess when you consider that Sparano is likely going to Miami, and Caldwell might be the guy in Indy if Dungy retires, and if we're onto #2 Garrett is out, we've only got 3 candidates...Rex Ryan, Brian Schottenheimer, and John Harbaugh.

This tells me more about how we feel about Rex as HC. Personally, if it were down to those 3, Brian would be at the bottom of my list. I'd go Rex Ryan first, then John Harbaugh, then Brian.

Also included in this thinking is we haven't brought in Marty yet. Supposedly, it's going to happen, just "later on".

[RavenScallywag]

Also, something I find odd...that snippet dissapeared as of today. I KNOW I saw it last night, but when I look at the article now, it says nothing about the ESPN report, which I guess means it wasn't even close to being true.

[Rayvens52]

Maybe Garret

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3196509

[highwater]

Seriously, Brian Schottenheimer is our #2?

That would be crazy -- I really don't believe it. This guy has done nothing at the Jets to suggest he'd even be a viable HC candidate, much less high on the list.

I could see Marty coming here if the brain trust is willing to hire an older coach, but Brian? No way.

Having said that, I do believe that Garrett could be the top choice.