Rex Ryan for Head Coach supporters...

[TL24x7]

...you may want to listen to the last 20-30 mins of the BART SCOTT SHOW (http://www.nflraven.com/gametime/gametime.htm) from last night. He provides a pretty convincing argument for Rex' consideration. He certainly changed my thoughts on whether it would work...but that said, I don't think Rex gets the job. I have a hunch he'll remain defensive coordinator.

[PARavensJeff]

www.profootballtalk.com has a report that Rex is going to DC as the DC. He's tight with Agent Gary Wichard who is very tight with Vinny Cerrato. Also Jim Schwartz (My pick) granted permission to interview in Atlanta. The report also states he's not considered a serious canidate in Baltimore. Why is that? Baltimore boy come home & make good.

[RavenScallywag]

Ryan as DC in DC makes me groan, but I definitley think if he doesn't become a HC, he's going somewhere to get some more exposure and earn a HC gig in a year or two.

I'd guess Schwartz isn't a serious idea because, if we were going defensive, I think we go Rex Ryan. I like Schwartz too, but I'm almost wondering if he isn't interested, since we contacted him but didn't set up an interview yet.

[HoustonRaven]

Why would Rex make a lateral move when he can easily get a HC gig??? I dont think Atlanta and Miami interviewed him for nothing.

[RavenScallywag]

I think for the same general reasons Marvin Lewis went to DC in 2002. Part of it was more money, but another part of it was getting more exposure as an Assistant HC and DC, to position him for a HC gig later. Plus, my gut feeling just sayd if we don't hire him as HC, Ryan won't want to come back in here, it'll be a sore spot for him.

[festivus]

Why would Rex make a lateral move when he can easily get a HC gig???

I'll take this one in two parts:

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no.

[ravenwoman]

I agree with Tony on all his points. I think the only way he will get the HC here is if certain candidates like Sparano and Garrett are taken by other teams. Simply put, he is not managment's first choice. I also think if he doesn't get the HC here, he will leave because he is sick of waiting for his turn here in Baltimore. He will want to cut all ties and start anew.

Now, what I want to know is why Russ Grimm is not being considered? Did he commit a crime that we are unaware of?

As far as Jim Schwartz is concerned, it is a lot like the Rex situation. They already know what he can do--whether that is positive or negative.

I think our managment is looking for fresh faces, a different perspective, and someone who can change the culture of the locker room, which after listening to Gametime, REALLY needs to be changed.

[Mwjergs]

Rex should not get the job.

People want change and a fresh perspective. Why hire him? Bart Scott's recommendation doesn't do much for me. Bart needs to get back to playing at a high level instead of throwing flags in the stands. The Ravens need discipline.

I also feel that at times he outhinks himself with the defense. They have (when healthy) tremendous talent and he wants to line up Ngata at linebacker. How about just keeping it simple.

[PARavensJeff]

Ryan as DC in DC makes me groan, but I definitley think if he doesn't become a HC, he's going somewhere to get some more exposure and earn a HC gig in a year or two.

I'd guess Schwartz isn't a serious idea because, if we were going defensive, I think we go Rex Ryan. I like Schwartz too, but I'm almost wondering if he isn't interested, since we contacted him but didn't set up an interview yet.

From what I understand, Schwartz will be in for his interview today or tomorrow.

[Purpleguy]

One thing I have noticed about Rex Ryan supporters, the more feverishly they want Rex as coach, the less intelligent they seem to be.

I think that's a big reason that the fans hated Billick. He was light years smarter than 95% of them. He made them feel insecure about themselves everytime he spoke. These are the same fans that would never want a great coach like Cowher to come here solely because he coached the Steelers. That makes him worse than a Nazi in these morons minds.

[UKRavenGordon]

The fact that the players want him so much makes me want him less. They got their way when Billick got canned, it's time they got in line behind whoever management chooses, not choose the guy they want most.

[purplepoe]

One thing I have noticed about Rex Ryan supporters, the more feverishly they want Rex as coach, the less intelligent they seem to be.

I think that's a big reason that the fans hated Billick. He was light years smarter than 95% of them. He made them feel insecure about themselves everytime he spoke. These are the same fans that would never want a great coach like Cowher to come here solely because he coached the Steelers. That makes him worse than a Nazi in these morons minds.

Listening to Ryan being interviewed throughout the year made me cringe.

The guy acted like our defense was unstoppable.

He's just as arrogant as Billick and FAR less polished.

I think he's a horrible choice.

PP

[highwater]

Why would Rex make a lateral move when he can easily get a HC gig???

You must know something we don't know -- if Rex can "easliy get a HC gig," why wouldn't he have one already? I'm not saying that he couldn't and won't get a HC job at some point, but to make it seem like a slam dunk is a bit overboard.

And as I recall, Marvin Lewis made a lateral move when he left the Ravens to be the DC for the Redskins. And after that lateral move, he did indeed get a HC job, so maybe making a short term lateral move isn't all that bad.

[HoustonRaven]

You must know something we don't know -- if Rex can "easliy get a HC gig," why wouldn't he have one already? I'm not saying that he couldn't and won't get a HC job at some point, but to make it seem like a slam dunk is a bit overboard.

And as I recall, Marvin Lewis made a lateral move when he left the Ravens to be the DC for the Redskins. And after that lateral move, he did indeed get a HC job, so maybe making a short term lateral move isn't all that bad.

He is being courted by 3 teams (maybe 4 if the Skins are serious). Granted, I may have overstated his ease to get a new gig, but odds are he will be HC somewhere.

[purplepoe]

He is being courted by 3 teams (maybe 4 if the Skins are serious). Granted, I may have overstated his ease to get a new gig, but odds are he will be HC somewhere.

To be honest, if I were a betting man, I'd say he doesn't get a HC gig.

JMO.

PP

[highwater]

He is being courted by 3 teams (maybe 4 if the Skins are serious). Granted, I may have overstated his ease to get a new gig, but odds are he will be HC somewhere.

Could be, but wouldn't it be very weird if he ended up with the Redskins? I think it's the longest of long shots, given Danny-boy's habit of hiring big names, but if the Ravens don't bring him back, maybe the next Redskins HC would bring him in as their new DC. Marvin Lewis made that move, so it wouldn't be unprecentended, but it sure would seem strange.

[psuasskicker]

IMO, Ryan would be a solid choice. He'll probably make a good HC somewhere, here wouldn't be a bad idea. He's succeeded at every level he's coached at, I'm willing to take the bet he will at the HC level. He's not my first choice, but he's up there.

However, if he doesn't get the gig, there's a very low probability he comes back here to be DC. The only shot we have is if we get Cowher or Marty to coach us. You think a guy who has been extremely successful, then got fired, then one of his peers got hired for the HC vacancy, would decide to come work for that peer? Particularly when he's being considered for other HC spots anyway?

There will be a lot of DC positions open. Cinci being one, and Lewis would snap him up in a heart-beat. No way he comes back here as DC if we hire a HC with no experience.

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[highwater]

No way he comes back here as DC if we hire a HC with no experience.

I tend to agree. I really think it's unlikely Rex will be back. Bisciotti seems to want to clean house totally, so do you really think he'll bring Rex back as HC? I don't. Yes, I know they brought him in for an interview, but they also just fired him! They didn't have to do that, you know -- Parcells fired almost everyone on the coaching staff in Miami but not every single coach (he kept two, for who knows what reason).

And I agree with the others who in this thread have pointed out that the fact that players are backing Rex isn't a good reason to hire him. Anyone who complained that Billick was letting the players run things can't possibly endorse Rex and look at themselves in the mirror at night and have a good night's sleep.

[psuasskicker]

And I agree with the others who in this thread have pointed out that the fact that players are backing Rex isn't a good reason to hire him.

Yeah but I'll note that there's a big difference between this and saying that it's a negative against Ryan, which is what I think some are saying. It's equally as stupid to rule a potentially great candidate out just because your players want him, as it is to hire him just because your players want him.

If Ryan's the right guy for the job, he should get the job. If not, he shouldn't. The players should have no say in that, regardless of which way they lean.

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