GAME THREAD - Ravens/Chargers

[Sephy]

May as well. We can beat these guys! Hoping for a good day from Kyle, and if not, a cameo by Troy. Let's go Ravens!

:jester:

[BlackSunday]

You're my eyes and ears today, as I'm on the Auto Train heading north from Florida.

No TV - just a Blackberry and a power outlet.

BS

[highwater]

I was actually feeling pretty optimistic about this game, but after hearing a little while ago that CMac and Heap have been ruled out, I'm feeling a little less hopeful. Ivy gets the start. :grbac:

But this would make a win even more inspiring.

[StingerNLG]

CMac is out. Heap is out. Wilcox is out. D-Will is out.

My expectations of this game pretty much went out the window. Here's to just not getting blown out today.

I won't be here after 5:00, I have a band rehersal tonight. So I'll have to watch the 1st quarter then stay off the forum until I get home and get through the rest of the game DVR'ed.

[crazyraven]

Lets go Ravens

[camdenyard]

Why the hell is Wilcox still on the active roster?

[ladyraven127]

Clock malfunction? I wonder if the replay booth will be up and running today?

:alien:

[crazyraven]

It is annoying

[Sephy]

Ravens open at the 25.

1st, McGahee up the middle for 4.
2nd and 6, complete to Mason for 5.
3rd and 1, PA, incomplete for Mason. Catchable ball, but could have been thrown better.

[crazyraven]

3 and out...damn

[StingerNLG]

So now we have no game clock. And we have the same offensive line, as evidenced by McGahee getting half a yard on the first run attempt.

[crazyraven]

come on d come up big

[Sephy]

SD takes over at the 21.

1st, LT for 1.
2nd and 9, LT for no gain.
3rd and 9, Rivers hit as he throws, complete to Nane, gain of 7-8 and 3 and out.

[crazyraven]

Nice showing by the dee eh

[Sephy]

Barnes almost had a block, punt was a touchback.

Enberg is a doofus as always.

[highwater]

Chargers went no-huddle right away on second down, but of course commentators didn't bother to mention it.

Nice first series for the defense.

[crazyraven]

Lets see some offense, whatcha say boys

[crazyraven]

DD has to catch that

[crazyraven]

damn merriman clocked mcgehe

[StingerNLG]

"You want to get a refund if you are McGahee on your protection".

Gee. As season ticket holders, some of us should too.

[Sephy]

1st, slant dropped by Mason. Of course, Enberg calls him Darling.
2nd, McGahee absolutely blown up in the backfield by Merriman. 4-5 yard loss.
3rd and 14, Merriman jumps, Boller scrambles for 8 yards, and the flag comes.

[Sephy]

3rd and 9, CAUGHT by Mason as he bats it up TWICE at the 40. GREAT effort by Derrick.

[crazyraven]

nice effort by Mason. Nice circus catch

[phatboy]

JO is done
Holly crap that was terrible. he just let Meriman go

[highwater]

What a catch by Mason!!! :thumbup:

[StingerNLG]

Haha, there's some good luck!

[crazyraven]

This is looking positive boys

[crazyraven]

nice crossing into sd territory

[Sephy]

1st, McGahee gets space up the middle and gets 8.
2nd and 2, McGahee gets 4 and a first.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

Glad to see Yanda is in there.

[Sephy]

1st, Boller overthrows a blanketed Darling, but they draw a flag. PI is called. Kind of a weak call.

[crazyraven]

Nice Pass interference. Take it

[RavenFanatic2k6]

Would it be too much to ask Ogden to block someone?

[phatboy]

JO is a fing revolving door

[Sephy]

Jammer's flag will put it at the SD 36.
1st, McGahee stopped for a loss.
2nd and 12, Boller overthrows Mason running a quick out.
3rd, Ravens take a TO, confusion on offense.

[highwater]

MaGahee is 5 carries for 8 yards -- not his fault, but no wonder Billick is calling for pass plays.

But that's only working half the time too -- Mason was open on that sideline pass and Boller overthrew him.

JO is off to a bad start.

[Sephy]

3rd, Boller gets a ton of pressure and immediately scrambles right, hits Mason but he had his feet OOB, so incomplete.

[phatboy]

If we throw one more third down pass behind the friggin first down line I am gonna tear the two hairs I have left out.

[highwater]

That punt bounced off a Chargers' heel but landed straight into the arms of another Charger. Just our luck.

[crazyraven]

take it easy phat, its only the 1st quarter. I hear ya though

[crazyraven]

Nice tacle by Ray on LT

[Sephy]

1st from the 21, Rivers completes to Chambers, smacked by Rolle after about 6.
2nd and 4, LT gets 1 or 2.
3rd and 2, complete to LT who is 1 yard in front of the sticks. First down.

[Sephy]

1st, Rivers lobs it to Jackson, and gets 7.
2nd and 3, Rivers pump fakes, rolls right, has a mile ahead of him but opts to throw to Chambers on the sideline, incomplete.
3rd and 3, Ravens blitz, Rivers throws before Gates turns, incomplete.
Nice job, D.

[highwater]

Refs just missed a holding call on second down. Chargers seem to have already given up on running and are now passing.

[Sephy]

Punt was horrible, but takes a Charger roll to the 11.

[phatboy]

Crazy its just a whole year of this stuff and my fuse is so short anymore. It just never gets better.

[highwater]

Tough break on the punt -- no breaks for us so far on punts. They get a lucky bounce on our punt, and on theirs.

[Sephy]

1st, on the money to Mason, but he can't come down with it as the coverage was good. Almost deflected to Clayton.
2nd, really crappy play to give to Willis, loses 1.
2nd and 11, Boller goes deep, floated, intercepted by Cromartie, but flags are down. Illegal contact on Cromartie. Good things happen when you go deep.

Very good call. Mason would have made the catch had he not pulled him.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

Why the hell is every pass going to Mason? Is Boller even looking at the other guys? The offense works much better when they are throwing to Clayton and Darling, see last week.

[crazyraven]

Terrible pass thank god there was a penalty

[highwater]

Our OL isn't giving MaGahee any help at all.

[StingerNLG]

Man, an another lucky break. Thank goodness. Although now I see why Mason was off the ball.

Are we getting some of that luck we haven't had in weeks?

And nice to see our offensive line is picking up where they left off last week. McGahee has 15 yards in 7 carries.

Mason appears to be the only receiver that seems to be able to get open anywhere on the field. so far Clayton and Darling have been held in perfect check.

[Sephy]

1st from the 14, Willis bounces right for 6.
2nd and 4, Willis for 1 or 2.
3rd and 3, Boller throws behind his man slightly, closer to Weddle. Incomplete.

[crazyraven]

Who is boller throwing the ball too. Oh man that was just horrrible

[phatboy]

I am trying hard to find a positive here.

[Sephy]

Sproles swarmed at the 45.

[Dont Know]

I am waiting for the, by now famous, Billick half time adjustments before anything will get going on offense.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

save_us.matt.ryan

[highwater]

Has anyone noticed that the Chargers D celebrates at least as much as our D does? I thought I was watching a Broadway play after some of their "stops."

This looks like it's going to be a lower-scoring game than I thought.

[Sephy]

1st, complete to LT, gets 6 or 7.
2nd and 4, LT for no gain. Flag down. Somehow Kelly Gregg gets called for a hold. Ugh. First down.

[phatboy]

Some one please explain how you can have D holding on a run play

[Sephy]

1st from the Ravens 42, complete to Chambers for 2, nailed by Landry afterwards.
2nd and 8, Chargers going no huddle, complete to Jackson for 9, poor coverage by Ivy.

[Sephy]

1st, LT stopped for no gain as he motions into the backfield.
2nd and 10, blitz comes, and the dump/screen goes to LT, gets about 15 yards. Looked like an illegal block there, but no call. That ends the 1st quarter.

[StingerNLG]

That was a quick first quarter.

No running game. No passing game. No protection. One open receiver.

Welcome to Ravens football.

BTW, when receivers can't get seperation from the DB's, why don't they try to come back like the Chargers WR's have done a couple times today?

Oh well, that's it for me. I've got to run. Here's to some good luck coming our way. :/

[Sephy]

1st from the 16, LT up the middle for 4.
2nd and 6, complete to LT, who is pushed OOB by JJ after 5 yards. Abbreviations!
3rd and 1, Rivers takes a TO.

[Sephy]

3rd and 1, Bannan gets great penetration and LT stopped for a loss of 1-2. Nice stop!

FG is good, 3-0 SD.

[Sephy]

GREAT return by Figurs into SD territory!!

[crazyraven]

Very nice return

[Sephy]

1st from the 38, McGahee up the middle for 4 or so.
2nd and 6, McGahee up the middle for 7 and a first. Running hard.

[Sephy]

1st, Willis for no gain, maybe 1.
2nd and 10, complete to Syp for 2. Definitely looking deeper on that throw.
3rd and 8, complete to Mason to the ONE! GREAT THROW!

[crazyraven]

Nice throw and catch

[Sephy]

Perfect throw!

1st and goal, Willis pushes in, TOUCHDOWN RAVENS!!

7-3 good guys.

[highwater]

Nice push by MaGahee, who has deceptive power. Nice drive, all started by a very nice KO return. Things are looking up.

[RavenScallywag]

just when I think I can peg the Ravens...was listening to us earlier and wrote this game off to be a 6 point loss, where SD gets one TD and a bunch of FGs...

Didn't think we'd actually be able to score! Kudos to 1) Figurs!, 2) Boller to Mason (pump up my fantasy stats, Mason!), and then, my favorite raven on offense, MCGAHEE!

[RavenFanatic2k6]

First and goal, one yard to go, we run it and get in. See that Billick? Maybe if you had done that against the Bengals, Bills, and Browns, we'd have three more wins. Freakin' moron.

[Dont Know]

Woohoo! :D

There is hope!

[Sephy]

Kickoff goes out at the 1. Damnit.

[ladyraven127]

Of course the kickoff went out of bounds :nerd: Ain't nothing pretty about this season.

[RavenScallywag]

is there any specific reason we can't put Lloyd on kickoffs now? Let's get him some game experience!

[Sephy]

1st, floated for Gates, gain of 5.
2nd and 5, LT hit in the backfield, loses about 3 yards. Maybe 4.
3rd and 9, complete to Jackson for 15 and a first. Receiver comes back for it. Our guys can NOT cover that comeback/curl route.

[Sephy]

1st, PA, overthrows Gates.
2nd, Gates wide open, blown coverage by Landry, gain of 11.

[crazyraven]

Ouch, Gates td

[Sephy]

1st, from the 35, ball led too far for LT.
2nd, deep over the middle, WIDE OPEN Gates, touchdown.

Inexcusable loss of coverage there. Someone REALLY fucked that up.

[Sephy]

Snap bobbled on the PAT, Kaeding gets smashed by Ngata.

JJ or Scott really muffed that coverage.

9-7 Chargers.

[Sephy]

Figurs to the 30.

[RavenScallywag]

Answer right back!...if we can....c'mon guys

[Sephy]

1st, Boller complete to Mason for 11.

[Sephy]

1st, McGahee for 2-3.
2nd and 8, Boller hit from behind, not feeling the pressure, fumbles and SD recovers.

UGH.

[crazyraven]

typical boller bs

[phatboy]

Please pull JO

[RavenFanatic2k6]

Would someone please get Ogden off the field?

[phatboy]

Lets the friggin rusher go then does not get to the fumble

[Sephy]

1st from the 30, LT for 2-3.
2nd and 8, Rivers throws to LT who falls down, and a pick falls right to Ray and he can't get it. DAMN.
3rd, Rivers pressured, and throws to nowhere.

FG try from 45, right down the pipe. 12-7.

[Sephy]

Touchback on the kick.

[Sephy]

1st, complete to Vickers who loses 1.
2nd and 11, ball right to Darling's numbers dropped. What is this guy's problem?
3rd, Boller sacked at the 11. Overloaded 2 guys on Yanda.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

I love how Billick calls a play designed to get, at most, two yards, on first down. Please, Mr. Bisciotti, get a professional offensive coordinator in here.

[Dont Know]

But first get a decent o-line coach and/or decent o-linemen.

[highwater]

Agree with Don't Know -- our OL needs some coaching. Our QBs are going to get hurt, no matter who is back there.

[RavenScallywag]

ugh, this is getting depressing...I benched Chambers on my fantasy team, now he gets a TD!

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Ballgame.

Our offense is pathetic.

OMG...and Anderson fumbles...

[crazyraven]

OMG ko fumble

[Sephy]

What the fuck? Anderson fumbles the kickoff and then is fist bumping McGahee while smiling on the sideline. Makes me fucking SICK.

[phatboy]

Why in the hell can't we scheme like that in the red zone???????????????????????????

[Dont Know]

For the rest of the season I have to seriously consider saving myself some heartache and just start watching in the 2nd half.

We simply can't play in the first half this season. Have we played one good first half this year?

[RavenFanatic2k6]

If I'm Billick, I'm benching almost all the starters at halftime. Keep Ray, Haloti, Mason, and Willis out there. Everyone else, since they don't want to play hard, they can sit on the bench and let players who want to play have some fun.

[highwater]

If I'm Billick, I'm benching almost all the starters at halftime. Keep Ray, Haloti, Mason, and Willis out there. Everyone else, since they don't want to play hard, they can sit on the bench and let players who want to play have some fun.

That's the best idea I've heard in a long time.

[xmradiodave]

OMG ko fumble


FUCKING BOLLER! He is to blame for the KO fumble. I am not sure how, but he is up to it! :nerd:

[xmradiodave]

Our Defense/secondary is blowing coverage left and right.

[RavenTD]

Nothing like watching another train wreck.

This season viewing started as shock,then painful,then numb,then painfully funny,now it's just a bad taste in your mouth.

[Purpleguy]

This all boils down to some of the worst offensive line play in NFL history. BTW this defense is far from "elite" anymore. They are average at best.

[xmradiodave]

Nothing like being the laughing stock of the NFL. Way to make the fans proud.

There better be some magic in the second half.

[xmradiodave]

I can not WAIT to see how this is going to be painted as ALL BOLLER's FAULT. Sure, his awareness stinks, but cripes... no protection, dropped passes, and about another dozen offensive issues. And defense... BLECH! Great... they are stopping the run. How about some coverage down deep?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Yet another half with less than 70 yards.

Way to go O!!!!:rolleyes:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Of course this isn't all Kyle's fault.

But he certainly isn't helping things either.

He is not above criticism here...

[xmradiodave]

Oh. I am not giving him a free pass. But ALL the wheels are falling off of this bus.

[crazyraven]

FUCKING BOLLER! He is to blame for the KO fumble. I am not sure how, but he is up to it
lol at your attempt of trying to stir the pot. Feable to say the least

[xmradiodave]

Wtf!!!

Another Gates Td!

[Beerracuda]

Hah! This is comical.

Gates wide open for the TD.

[Purpleguy]

Of course this isn't all Kyle's fault.

But he certainly isn't helping things either.

He is not above criticism here...


You're right, Boller should have eyes in the back of his head. he also needs to learn how to block since his o-line can't. It would also be nice if he could throw the ball then run down the field and get open to catch it. Ozzie has failed miserably in finding offensive talent. It's becoming painfully obvious.

BTW, maybe Boller needs to cover Gates as well.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

What the hell Rex?

Why are our LB's trying to cover the best TE in teh game man up

[xmradiodave]

lol at your attempt of trying to stir the pot. Feable to say the least


It was meant to be feeble you goof. I do not care about the boller hater or lovers.

[Purpleguy]

It's pretty obvious why Rex won't be a HC anytime soon.

[Dont Know]

Well, if we lose this game (sure looks that way) and the season mathematically is over, I would IR all the injured starters/soon to be retirees, sign a bunch of free agents of the street and start playing for next year.

[Sephy]

Maybe we might get to see Troy today!

[Raveninwoodlawn]

You're right, Boller should have eyes in the back of his head. he also needs to learn how to block since his o-line can't. It would also be nice if he could throw the ball then run down the field and get open to catch it. Ozzie has failed miserably in finding offensive talent. It's becoming painfully obvious.

BTW, maybe Boller needs to cover Gates as well.

Yeah...I'm sorry WAY TO GO KYLE! Don't run up the score too much here!

[crazyraven]

It was meant to be feeble you goof. I do not care about the boller hater or lovers.

lol again then. Ok ok

[ladyraven127]

This is just sad.

[Sephy]

And now Willis is gimpy. LOL, this season...

[RavenScallywag]

i'm ever the optimist...we're showing some progress...

we went from being a completely inept offense against the terrible Browns D, to being a mediocre offense against a pretty strong Chargers D.

But I seriously hope that the Baltimore media, out of mercy, somehow doesn't televise the games in the next two weeks. Because they will be UGLY.

[xmradiodave]

McGahee is limping... there goes our playoff chances. :)

[Raveninwoodlawn]

This is just sad.

It's to be expected at this point.

This is the worst offense I have ever seen...how the hell are the Chargers scheming to get favorable matchups almost every snap and we are struggling to complete 2 yard passes.

Speaking of 2 yard passes...why is Billick scheming to have this short passing game when your QB has one of the strongest arms in the game and his strength is the intermediate/long game?

I'm sick and tired of these BS game plans and players that can't excecute simple plays.

[Purpleguy]

Yeah...I'm sorry WAY TO GO KYLE! Don't run up the score too much here!

I just haven't seen him making any real mistakes given the o-line and receivers he is working with. I'm not going to blame him for that fumble. That was all big toe JO.

You all need to come to grips with the fact that Tom Brady would look like dogshit on this team.

[Beerracuda]

Holy shit, a TD pass to a FB

[xmradiodave]

nice fake for the td!

[crazyraven]

Way to go kyle

[RavenScallywag]

i don't even know who we would play for our future at this point!

I wouldn't play Troy Smith, that would be just throwing him to the wolves. McGahee is a good RB, he IS our future. I guess you'd sit Mason and play DVD and Clayton, but that would just make us look sad. OL, I guess you'd bench Flynn, JO, and have an OL of: Gaither/Terry, Brown, Chester, Grubbs, Yanda.

On defense, Gregg, Ngata, and D. Edwards as our DL...We can't bench Suggs because this is his make or break year. Can't bench Ray or Bart Scott, they are our LB cheerleaders. Maybe bench JJ for Barnes? Sit CMac and or Rolle and let the youngsters get burned until they find their rhythm. Reed and Landry stay.

[Dont Know]

Why can't we play like this in the first half?

[xmradiodave]

someone capture that for the highlight reel?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Kyle steps up and he has another second or 2.

It would have been nice for JO to stonewall him for 5 seconds, but Merriman had a VERY wide rush...a rush that most times the DE runs right past the pocket if the QB steps up.

Kyle actually ran backwards while running tho his right.

He wasn't standing back there and getting blindsided as soon as he hit his 5th step. At the very least, do what McNair has continually failed to do...protect the football when you start to scramble and stop carrying it at your hip.

Anyway...that was a very good throw right there for a TD...more of that plz...

[Purpleguy]

Kyle steps up and he has another second or 2.

It would have been nice for JO to stonewall him for 5 seconds, but Merriman had a VERY wide rush...a rush that most times the DE runs right past the pocket if the QB steps up.

Kyle actually ran backwards while running tho his right.

He wasn't standing back there and getting blindsided as soon as he hit his 5th step. At the very least, do what McNair has continually failed to do...protect the football when you start to scramble and stop carrying it at your hip.

Anyway...that was a very good throw right there for a TD...more of that plz...


Woodlawn, i see what you are saying, but when you know Merriman has you beat, then a holding penalty is perfectly acceptable. Then you have Ogden basically walking to get the fumble. He's pathetic at this point and abviously doesn't want to be out there.

[purplepoe]

I just haven't seen him making any real mistakes given the o-line and receivers he is working with. I'm not going to blame him for that fumble. That was all big toe JO.

You all need to come to grips with the fact that Tom Brady would look like dogshit on this team.

You haven't seen some terrible passes today?

Wow.

Anyway. It's certainly not just on Boller. He's a minor piece of crap in the major dump this team is taking in San Diego.

Im wondering if ANY NFL has muffed 2 kickoffs like that in a season. Hell, twice in 3 weeks!

PP

[Purpleguy]

Why can't we play like this in the first half?

Because the defense basically gives the game away in the first half, so the blitzes slow down when opposing teams are up 3 scores. With no blitz our 0-line can allow Kyle maybe 2-3 seconds to make a play.

[xmradiodave]

You haven't seen some terrible passes today?

Wow.

Anyway. It's certainly not just on Boller. He's a minor piece of crap in the major dump this team is taking in San Diego.

Im wondering if ANY NFL has muffed 2 kickoffs like that in a season. Hell, twice in 3 weeks!

PP


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[Raveninwoodlawn]

I don't think I've ever seen as big of a difference in pass rush in a 2 year period.

NONE of our blitzes seem to work as they are continually picked up and we are burned.

Suggs has completely disappeared this year. Makes me think twice about giving him the boatload of money he is asking for.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

See...protect the damn ball.

[Purpleguy]

You haven't seen some terrible passes today?

Wow.

Anyway. It's certainly not just on Boller. He's a minor piece of crap in the major dump this team is taking in San Diego.

Im wondering if ANY NFL has muffed 2 kickoffs like that in a season. Hell, twice in 3 weeks!

PP

I've seen one or two bad passes. I've seen many more incredible passes. You'll see bad passes from every NFL QB. even those with phenomenal o-lines.

I just have a real problem with the faction that thinks we are a QB and a coach away from being a great team. This team needs some serious reworking, and I don't think Ozzie is up for the task.

BTW, give boller time and he's as good as any QB in the NFL.

[Purpleguy]

See...protect the damn ball.

Give him more than a half a second.

[Beerracuda]

And of course, no sense of urgency. Just let the clock run out in the 3rd before punting the ball... Unreal!!!

[xmradiodave]

Give him more than a half a second.

A QB has to be aware of what is going on around him too. He is playing just OK in this game, but at this point playing OK is not going to get it done.

[Sephy]

BTW, give boller time and he's as good as any QB in the NFL.

I really hope you mean any average QB, and not any QB.

[purplepoe]

I've seen one or two bad passes. I've seen many more incredible passes. You'll see bad passes from every NFL QB. even those with phenomenal o-lines.

I just have a real problem with the faction that thinks we are a QB and a coach away from being a great team. This team needs some serious reworking, and I don't think Ozzie is up for the task.

BTW, give boller time and he's as good as any QB in the NFL.

LOL.

He's as good as any QB in the NFL with time?

Good lord man.

I get that his protection is crap. He's made some nice throws and some shit throws. This line has given the "other" QB on this team some shitty protection as well.

I think you know me well enough to know that I believe this team has major issues.

But to say he's as good as any QB in the league if he has time (how much btw?) is a stretch to say the least.

He had time on that 4th down play, that's for sure.

PP

[Raveninwoodlawn]

BTW, give boller time and he's as good as any QB in the NFL.

Definately don't agree with this.

Of course if you surround him with perfect parts he will be more than competent.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen for any QB...this OL isn't the best, but I've definately seen worst here.

And Kyle has looked virtually identical to most QB's we have had here...I definately agree that this system sucks and other players could do more to help out, but I don't see any difference with him when you look at his entire body of work compared to most of the others. His stats are on par with Elvis, Blake, Banks, Dilfer, and even Wright. That is an indication of a problem bigger than the QB, but at the same time, those QB's weren't very good...

[Purpleguy]

A QB has to be aware of what is going on around him too. He is playing just OK in this game, but at this point playing OK is not going to get it done.

And I'm telling you that there isn't a QB alive, dead, or yet to be born that would ever play more than OK in this offense. If our "wizard" of a GM would finally pull his head out of his ass and get a supporting cast then maybe we might see some solid QB play.

[purplepoe]

And I'm telling you that there isn't a QB alive, dead, or yet to be born that would ever play more than OK in this offense. If our "wizard" of a GM would finally pull his head out of his ass and get a supporting cast then maybe we might see some solid QB play.

Soooooo....

Tell me what you think the Pats record would be if Kyle Boller was their QB.

I respect your posts alot PG, but cmon man.

PP

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Give him more than a half a second.

You've got to be kidding.

He had time to see the rush, start to scramble and fumble.

Again, this was not some blindside sack where he was hit as soon as his back foot hit the ground.

[Purpleguy]

Tom brady doesn't even break a sweat. His line is amazing, and Moss turns sure INTs into TDs . Mark Rypien looked like Superman behind that 91 Redskin o-line.

Ozzie has made two serious moves on the o-line in 12 years. One, a can't miss with Ogden. The other a misfire with Searcy.

[Purpleguy]

Soooooo....

Tell me what you think the Pats record would be if Kyle Boller was their QB.

I respect your posts alot PG, but cmon man.

PP

PP, I respect your posts alot too, and I'll be honest. I think that the pats would be 10-0 with Boller at QB. Laugh all you want, but like I said, Brady doesn't even break a sweat and Moss catches everything thrown within 5 yards of him, even in triple coverage. With Stallworth on the other side, it's a can't miss. The pats have built a phenomenal team. Their backup marched down the field on the Redskins.

[Dade]

Who thinks Troy will get some playing time?

[Dade]

Prime example of how our line is so weak.

[purplepoe]

PP, I respect your posts alot too, and I'll be honest. I think that the pats would be 10-0 with Boller at QB. Laugh all you want, but like I said, Brady doesn't even break a sweat and Moss catches everything thrown within 5 yards of him, even in triple coverage. With Stallworth on the other side, it's a can't miss. The pats have built a phenomenal team. Their backup marched down the field on the Redskins.

Wow.

So Boller leads them back in Indy in the 4th quarter?

Suffice to say that I don't agree at all with your opinion on this one.

What I do agree with is that this team has major holes in alot of places.

PP

[Purpleguy]

It's the absolute worst line I've ever seen in the history of the NFL. It's really tough to think about protecting the ball when you're consistently down 2 or 3 scores in the 4th quarter and all you can think about is making something, anything happen. It's a loose-loose situation. Our record shows it.

[RavenFanatic2k6]

Ogden is done, time for Terry to start at LT. Lets get Chester in at C too. Why not? Could it honestly be any worse?

[Dont Know]

For the rest of the season, I wanna see

Terry - Gaither - Brown - Grubbs - Yanda

Can't possibly get any worse on the o-line

[phatboy]

Why the hell do the stupid chargers even have Lt in There. Coach stupid is almost as bad as coach b

[Raveninwoodlawn]

It's the absolute worst line I've ever seen in the history of the NFL.

You have GOT to be kidding.

[phatboy]

Forester was shit when he came here and has not improved yet

[Purpleguy]

Wow.

So Boller leads them back in Indy in the 4th quarter?

Suffice to say that I don't agree at all with your opinion on this one.

What I do agree with is that this team has major holes in alot of places.

PP

Is it that far out of the realm of possibility with Moss making amazing plays everytime the ball gets near him? Brady is obviously a better QB than Boller. I'm basing that on his past performance when the supporting cast wasn't as amazing as it is now. This year i think any QB with a strong arm could play pro-bowl caliper in New England.

BTW, did Moss even cross Ozzie's mind?

[phatboy]

I sanyones HD feed breaking up. Mine is pure crap.
Crap feed for a crap game

[ramair31]

I sanyones HD feed breaking up. Mine is pure crap.
Crap feed for a crap game

My HD is fine with Comcast.

[Purpleguy]

You have GOT to be kidding.

I'm 35 and have been watching alot of football since i was 14 and i can't think of a worse line.

[Dade]

BTW, did Moss even cross Ozzie's mind?

Yeah whats up that? Why didn't we even try and get Moss? Where they afraid it would blow up in their faces like T.O.

[phatboy]

please stick a fork in Endberg
he is too old
sounds like sumeral in his last years

[darb72]

If Boller had better protection he's a second tier QB. Right now you have Manning, Farve and Romo as the top tier guys. Brady is playing on a whole different level than anybody has ever seen.

With decent protection, I'd put Boller in the realm of guys like Gerrard and Ruthlessburger. We've seen what he can do with time. He, like every other QB since Billick got here, just can't get any protection.

[Purpleguy]

If I recall, this was one of the places Moss wanted to play for when he went to oakland. We weren't even very good then. I would think after a 13-3 season he would be more than happy to come here.

[Purpleguy]

If Boller had better protection he's a second tier QB. Right now you have Manning, Farve and Romo as the top tier guys. Brady is playing on a whole different level than anybody has ever seen.

With decent protection, I'd put Boller in the realm of guys like Gerrard and Ruthlessburger. We've seen what he can do with time. He, like every other QB since Billick got here, just can't get any protection.

I'll agree with that, and I'd be thrilled with that. maybe one day Ozzie will be able to vealuate Offensive line talent, or at least see the importance in it.

[Sephy]

I hope we see Troy this drive. It would be cool.

[Dade]

If I recall, this was one of the places Moss wanted to play for when he went to oakland. We weren't even very good then. I would think after a 13-3 season he would be more than happy to come here.

I kind of remember that. But we didn't even make a play for him during the off season.

[Dade]

I hope we see Troy this drive. It would be cool.

Nope Boller's running out.

[Galen Sevinne]

did I just hear that Ed Reed was back returning a punt with 2 minutes left??? What is the point of that?

[Dade]

did I just hear that Ed Reed was back returning a punt with 2 minutes left??? What is the point of that?

That's so Reed can get hurt and miss next game. That way Brady will throw for 10 TDs instead of just 9.

[Galen Sevinne]

That's so Reed can get hurt and miss next game. That way Brady will throw for 10 TDs instead of just 9.

oh yea...okay, that makes sense. Thanks.:confused:

[Raveninwoodlawn]

I'm 35 and have been watching alot of football since i was 14 and i can't think of a worse line.


Well, the Texans line since they came into the league is one of the benchmarks...this line is not on pace to give up anywhere near 70+ sacks.


The Browns line before this year have always been bad.

The line here with Kipp Vickers and a rookie Bennie Anderson on the right side when Elvis was here was worse.

The line here with Ethan Brooks during the year Blake was here was bad.

The Bengals lines when they had David Klinger and Akili Smith was terrible.

Those are just the ones off the top of my head.

This line isn't good, but This is FAR from the worst I've ever seen.

[Galen Sevinne]

whats the chance of the network switching to the denver/chicago game?

[Purpleguy]

Worst losing streak in team history. We have some real serious issues.

[Sephy]

Man, 4-7. Just keeps getting worse :(

[darb72]

The talent is there on the offensive line, I just think they need to mature a bit.

Get rid of Flynn, wave farewell to JO who is probably gona retire and we'll have this offseason to get the young bucks ready.

[RavenTD]

AFCN wooden spoon here we come.

How far has this team fallen? Was last year a smoke screen?

Its all about heart now to see who keeps fighting. Not that we have much of any type of punch.

Just when you thought this nightmare could not get any worse.Now playing at home theatre near you.PAT's and COLTS next up.

[purplepoe]

I'll agree with that, and I'd be thrilled with that. maybe one day Ozzie will be able to vealuate Offensive line talent, or at least see the importance in it.

Then why did you say he's as good as any QB in the league when he has time?

Im gonna give you a mulligan on that one since you were posting during the heat of a game.

PP

[RavenFanatic2k6]

oh yea...okay, that makes sense. Thanks.:confused:

Since when does Billick do things that make sense? LOL.

[RavenTD]

Since when does Billick do things that make sense? LOL.

BB needs to start reading his own books again.

http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/redir?src=image&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.triumphbooks.com%2Ffilebin%2Ffixed_images%2FFullsize%2F1892049503.jpg&moduleId=image_details.jsp.M&clickedItemDescription=Image Details

[RavenTD]

If we compared Boller and Brady to Superhero's, then Brady would be Captain America and Boller would be,ermmm, Captain Caveman.


http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/435_captain_caveman.jpg

[flraven]

With that Offensive Line (and I do mean OFFENSIVE) could anyone do better?
I think not.

That line SUCKED OUT LOUD!!!!!

[Purpleguy]

Then why did you say he's as good as any QB in the league when he has time?

Im gonna give you a mulligan on that one since you were posting during the heat of a game.

PP

Thanks for the mulligan. I put Brady and Manning in a seperate class. I actually feel Manning is better than Brady. His career has seen some crummy defenses, and he's never had the line or receivers that Brady has this year. I'm not quite ready to put Romo in that class.

I still feel Boller has tons of upside, but you're never going to realize it with a crummy o-line and one really good possesion receiver.

BTW, can I at least get credit for one thing. I have been saying for years that Moss made Culpepper look a hundred times better than he actually is. Moss made a bad QB look like a pro-bowler. He's now making a great QB look like God in clete shoes.

[Sephy]

Manning has traditionally had a great line. It has taken a hit this year with injuries and whatnot. Really tough to say who would be better between the two of them in the same system.