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RavenFanatic2k6

10-07-2007, 11:43 PM

McNair and Billick...

The offense needs a shakeup. It's time for Boller and for Billick to step aside as Offensive Coordinator and let Neuheisal call the plays.

I have never seen a team throw short of the markers more than the Ravens have over the past few years. It's just ridiculous. 3rd and 5, throw a 4 yard pass. 3rd and 3, throw a 2 yard pass. 3rd and 8, throw a 6 yard pass. Every, single, time. Never fails.

Ravens0587

10-08-2007, 12:11 AM

I heard it during the game about having to go deep b/c teams with the lowest yards per completion were not doing so good......soooo..

Teams sorted by Yards per pass attempt I know this isn't the tell all stat but it says a lot. The Top 10 teams we will call them Group A and Group F will be the Bottom 10 in the league.

Group A Combined Record 35-12

1) Dallas Cowboys 9.9
2) New England Patriots 8.8
3) Jacksonville Jaguars 8.3
4) Houston Texans 8.3
5) Indianapolis Colts 8.0
6) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7.8
7) Detroit Lions 7.8
8) Washington Redskins 7.7
9) Pittsburgh Steelers 7.7
10) Denver Broncos 7.6

Group F Combined record 15-30

32) New Orleans Saints 5.2
31) San Francisco 49ers 5.3
30) Chicago Bears 5.5
29) Baltimore Ravens 5.8
28) St. Louis Rams 5.8
27) Tennessee Titans 5.8
26) Minnesota Vikings 6.1
25) Buffalo Bills 6.2
24) New York Giants 6.5
23) Atlanta Falcons 6.7

These dink and dunks suck b/c when we do get in the Red Zone and everything starts getting bunched up were screwed.

We dont neccesarily need to take shots 50 yards downfield but these 3 yard passes on 3rd and 5 or 8 yard passes on 3rd and 10 are not very high percentage b/c you are counting on your guy breaking a tackle.

In conclusion if we don't start throwing deeper we will be in big trouble

RavenTD

10-08-2007, 05:46 AM

Passing short and expecting to see our receivers get YAC against a good tackling team like San Fran just isn't going to cut it.

Still, if receivers run a 10yd pattern when they should run a 5yarder,then Steve's overthrows could well connect.

RavenScallywag

10-08-2007, 08:57 AM

PARavensJeff

10-08-2007, 11:29 AM

Our receivers look like they are juking their hearts out trying to get the yards. If I were Mason or DWill, hearing Billick say that McNair is playing well would piss me off, because he's inadvertantly laying the blame on them.

I agree, the only person who thinks McNair is playing well in Baltimore is Billick. Come on Brian, what are you looking at? Tell us because we don't see it. Boller connects on that bomb to DWill that was an easy 6 if the pass is inbounds.

Where are the Boller haters who used to swear all those low point productions were Kyle's fault but are now giving McNair a free pass? How come it was OK to blast Boller but not McNair? I'm not an expert like some people claim to be, but I don't see how Steve is our best option to win right now, especially once we get into the "hard part" of the schedule.

& for those already ringing up a W for this Sunday, don't get carried away. While I want the Ravens to win as much as anyone, this game can't be taken for granted just because they are 0-5. That's a wounded St. Louis team coming in here that has nothing to lose, & we have a tendency to play down to our competition. This team better get fired up & ready to play!!!

RavenFanatic2k6

10-08-2007, 11:32 AM

Passing short and expecting to see our receivers get YAC against a good tackling team like San Fran just isn't going to cut it.

It hasn't worked against ANY team over the past few years. Good tacklers or not, it hasn't mattered. We've changed recievers and QBs, and still, year after year, game after game, we throw short of the markers on 3rd down. You'd think Billick would have learned by now, but nope.

bmoreravengirl

10-08-2007, 11:40 AM

for those already ringing up a W for this Sunday, don't get carried away. While I want the Ravens to win as much as anyone, this game can't be taken for granted just because they are 0-5. That's a wounded St. Louis team coming in here that has nothing to lose, & we have a tendency to play down to our competition. This team better get fired up & ready to play!!!

This is a trap game if ever I saw one. I think it was '04 when we played the, I believe they were 0-3, Chiefs on MNF. Guess who they got their 1st win against. :mad:

When we had that big lead against Arizona at the end of the 3rd qtr., I was of the mindset that we had the game wrapped up, only to have a Stover FG win it for us at the last second.

If it's anything I've come to appreciate, it's to NEVER take ANY opponent lightly, no matter how crappy they seem to be.

crazyraven

10-08-2007, 11:58 AM

We won the freaking game. Why complain? Lets be happy that we got through the game. Boller wouldn't have done anything better. when he was in he threw dink and dunk crap too.

Look I think Boller could make a difference but his time is not now. When our starter cant win us games then its time for boller step in. 9 points was enough yesterday we've seen the team put up more points against other teams. Lets chill. Mcnair is still the Man in Charge.

As for next week I am not concerned if its a trap game or not. Go win the game anyway you can. The rams look unorganized and dysfunctional. That's their problem. Their issues. We just need to go out and do the things we can do. And if its dink and dunks that get us victories, so be it. thanks for the warning though.

bmoreravengirl

10-08-2007, 12:02 PM

We won the freaking game. Why complain? Let's be happy that we got through the game. Boller wouldn't have done anything better. when he was in he threw dink and dunk crap too.

I'm grateful for the win, on the road no less. But our absolutely PATHETIC inability to score TDs in the redzone isn't going to cut it against Pitt, SD, Indy, and NE. It's something to be concerned about.

crazyraven

10-08-2007, 12:15 PM

I didnt think it was possible but one year when all we did was score field goals, we still won the super bowl. We did change QB so anything is possible. should the passing game be better, maybe, but I've seen enough from last year and this year to still feel secure with our current starter.

That game is in the books as a win. We have to look forward to next week. Maybe a different scheme is in place for the rams maybe not. However Its a nice tatic to get people worked up about a game that hasnt been played yet so that people can clamor for Boller to start. Enough already. We won.

GreenWave52

10-08-2007, 12:18 PM

I'm grateful for the win, on the road no less. But our absolutely PATHETIC inability to score TDs in the redzone isn't going to cut it against Pitt, SD, Indy, and NE. It's something to be concerned about.

Exactly. We aren't going to win any games against elite teams playing like we are. The defense isn't good enough. At best we will sneak into the playoffs as a wild card and get knocked out in the first round.

We have the overall talent to be an upper eschelon team (in that rung under the Patriots) but we aren't performing up to it. The good news is, it doesn't look like we aren't playing as a team but that our guys we plugged in for injured starters just aren't as good (I'm looking at you Dwan Edwards) or need a little bit of a learning curve (the young o-line). And our QB is killing us.

The guy who is playing now isn't the guy I saw wearing #9 for us last year. I would have been playing Kyle to make sure McNair got healthy because right now he isn't helping us by toughing out an injury. It is like when Brunell got hurt and killed the Redskins all season by playing through it. Right now McNair looks exactly like Brunell from his bad/injured Skins years (not the good one he was healthy for).

I'm pleading for Billick to start Boller. We have a home game against an 0-5 team. And then a bye week. Re-asses Steve then.

So the good news is at least that we could be one of those teams that screws around in the first half of the season and comes on in the second half. Our injured guys will get healthy, the young starters will have experience, and hopefully the QB situation will improve if Billick manages it correctly.

Although I don't think anyone is beating the Pats in the playoffs this year.

bmoreravengirl

10-08-2007, 12:43 PM

crazyraven,

if you want to plug your ears and go "lalalalalalalalala" and pretend everything's bright and rosy in Ravenland, that's your right. I happen to see a serious problem that needs to be corrected and QUICK.

And I am not going to act like we're going to steamroll the Rams, for previously stated reasons.

highwater

10-08-2007, 12:46 PM

The guy who is playing now isn't the guy I saw wearing #9 for us last year.

I totally agree. I don't know if he's still injured or just losing it, but he does not look like the same QB we saw last season. Everyone (including me) bitches about the playcalling, but regardless of the play being called, McNair just doesn't look comfortable throwing the ball.

If the groin injury is still bothering him, then the solution is simple -- sit him for a few games and let him get healthy. But if he's healthy now and this is all he's got, we've got a problem.

Raineman

10-08-2007, 01:10 PM

McNair is still injured plain and simple-He cannot step in to his throws and is trying to muscle the ball and that is why it is sailing which = overthrown balls. His accuracy is suffering as well. I notice a lot of his completions are behind the receiver.

RavenTD

10-08-2007, 01:18 PM

Every game is a battle from here on out.

With the injuries and lack of redzone production.Every game is going to be an ugly,bloody claw fight to the very last breath.

Crazy is right we have been down this road before,but our D has slipped from those glory days.When Pryce and Rolle come back and we can right the ship on defense with pass rush and turnovers.Then I can swallow this offensive attack.

But once again you are putting pressure on the defense to win the game for you.And against a good offense,our D isn't going to cut it with the way they have played so far this season.

I'll take this win and the joy how the young guys stood up on the O'line and Syp' at TE.The O'line could be the start of something special down the road.

crazyraven

10-08-2007, 02:00 PM

if you want to plug your ears and go "lalalalalalalalala" and pretend everything's bright and rosy in Ravenland, that's your right. I happen to see a serious problem that needs to be corrected and QUICK.

And I am not going to act like we're going to steamroll the Rams, for previously stated reasons.

The problem only lies with the people who have an agenda that need to see Boller in as our QB. That's plain and simple. Read the threads after Ravens victories, watch the venom and anger flow after a loss. After a win we should all be rejoicing [together] not be threatened that we could easily lose the next game just because of a cornered animal theory or "Trap Game". I have high hopes for this team and dont see a problem. Next week is just another game and the ravens will prepare for it and win it.

camdenyard

10-08-2007, 03:08 PM

Next week is just another game and the ravens will prepare for it and win it.

Did you say that before the Clowns game?

They didn't prepare too well for that, did they?

When your goal is to be 8-8 or to be competitive, your logic works.

But when you have CHAMPIONSHIP ASPIRATIONS, squeaking by inferior and/or crippled opponents and going 3-2 through what should have been a string of creampuffs, saying "everything is okay", is called whistling past the graveyard. We did not score a touchdown yesterday against SF. They are not that good. This should concern you...it does me.

Teams with CHAMPIONSHIP ASPIRATIONS do what NE and Indy are doing. They beat the tough teams, they win at home, and they dismantle the weak sisters. The way the Ravens are playing on offense, they will be those teams' weak sisters.

The next two opponents...I just hope they can find a way to find the right formula to get this offense going and take care of business. No longer am I expecting them to "kick ass", for I doubt they are capable of that, at least on offense. After the bye, they had better be on task and be heating up and scoring points. I don't care who's playing QB, he needs to get the job done in the red zone. I'm tired of hearing "we just have to go back to work, fix the problems".

Mr OC

10-08-2007, 03:27 PM

"It was a physical game. There was a lot of hard hitting out there. I just don't think on our end it was executed the way we are capable of. But, as I said, in the end we made enough plays, and that was good, but we left some out there too. I think we just have to do a better job all the way around in all three areas of the game, and the coaching, and I think we can play better than that."

-Bill Belichick post game presser yesterday after beating the Browns 34-17

Some teams always look to get better, and are never satisfied with "good enough".

FHRaven

10-08-2007, 04:02 PM

I have high hopes for this team and dont see a problem.

Are you watching the games? :bag: That can be the only explanation for not seeing a problem when your team's entire offensive output is 3 FGs.

Before Sunday the Niners were yielding an average of 23 ppg. Our division leaders and rivals, the Steelers, put 37 points on them.

Unless the offense can improve dramatically by November, the second half of the season will not be pretty.

highwater

10-08-2007, 04:23 PM

Some teams always look to get better, and are never satisfied with "good enough".

Um, what exactly is your point? Do you really think the coaching staff is satisfied with how this team has played recently? I sure don't think so. Just because they aren't video-taping the other teams' sidelines doesn't mean they are satisfied.

sailorsam

10-08-2007, 04:54 PM

crazyraven

10-08-2007, 06:14 PM

Unless the offense can improve dramatically by November, the second half of the season will not be pretty.

listen here Confucius, I'm going to take it one game at a time. If and when Boller plays it will be at the discretion of our head coach. We are not the steelers or anybody else, what they do has no bearing on what we do, I don't care what they do until we face them. If you think its a cliche, oh well. the fact is Boller would have lost a game like this on the road. You know it, I know it.

The defense won the game. That's great, lets move on. Mcnair did nothing to lose it or win it. And that's ok sometimes. Stop hating mcnair already. The sky is falling mentality is so lame.

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 08:56 AM

I guess you're satisfied with FGs instead of TDs.

This isn't something that just started happening. This has been going on since last season. Answer me this: do you think 9 pts. is going to beat Indy or NE?

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 09:13 AM

Lets put it this way. THe Colts scored fgs on us and advanced in the playoffs...so to your answer your question.....YES

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 10:23 AM

You do realize that 15 > 9, right?

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 10:45 AM

You do realize that 15 > 9, right?

What kind of ravens fan are you to think that they will only score 9 points from here on out. My lord, give the guy a chance or are you just so angry that Mcnair is the starter that you will do and say anything to get Boller in before he is ready. Stop the obsession already. Mcnair starts, Boller sits.

festivus

10-09-2007, 10:48 AM

:iagree:

Yes, rack Crazy. :) :toast:

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 11:03 AM

You're right crazy. Who the hell am I to be concerned that our offenses' blatantly obvious inability to score TDs could hurt us and that an injured McNair isn't helping at all? Being concerned with our lack of scoring means that I hate McNair and am madly in love with Boller. Yeah that's it.

Everything's perfect. Nothing needs to be corrected. Let's all join hands and sing. :261695:

BTW, aren't you the same person who won't clear the snow off his car although it could cause a potentially deadly accident?

festivus

10-09-2007, 12:02 PM

There are two separate things going on here many, many posters here are combining into one.

1. Short yardage passes, 'dink and dunk.'
2. Red zone futility.

No question we are operating a short yardage passing attack this year.

No question we are atrocious in the red zone so far this year.

That does *not* mean one of those causes the other. Little Johnny might have a lazy eye and chicken pox, it does not mean one caused the other, no matter how much his caring parents might think so.

You guys are piling on Crazy but I think he is basically right. We have been battling through injuries all year. If we don't get healthy you doomsayers are right, we are in big trouble. But if we do get healthy, we should play closer to our potential.

We are missing key players on both sides of the ball, including our top two pass catching TE's, and *both* of our legitimate LT's.

If we can get through the injuries while scraping enough wins, however we get them, I am hopeful for better things later in the year.

Also I call "cheap shot" bringing up the snow on the car thing, in a serious football discussion.

ExiledRaven

10-09-2007, 12:10 PM

To be honest, for all of the hammering the dink and dunk passing, before the Ravens hit the other team's 25 yard line or so, the ball is moved very effectively.

Then once that "in the shadow of the end zone" comes into play, there is mass futility. This isn't anything new, the Ravens have ALWAYS been terrible by this metric.

The offense might be "better" but they're not really better until everyone expects 7 points each trip, or at least thinks it'll happen more than 1/4 times.

This continued futility is what will cost Billick his job if it continues.

...and...rack crazy. McNair is the starter. Billick just needs to monitor his physical condition more. If McNair cannot plant his foot properly, then he needs to come out before other receivers get hurt or the other team happens to intercept 2 passes.

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 12:15 PM

And insinuating that I am a McNair hater, Boller lover, not a true fan because I expressed concern about an injured McNair affecting our ability to score in the redzone isn't a cheap shot? How foolish of me to defend my stance. :eyes:

You're entitled to your opinion. If that makes me a "doomsayer", so be it.

highwater

10-09-2007, 12:56 PM

Also I call "cheap shot" bringing up the snow on the car thing, in a serious football discussion.

Sorry, but when someone practically brags about how he is too busy to clear snow and ice off the roof of his car, and doesn't care if it's dangerous to others, it's fair game.

Getting back to the football discussion, do you really think bmoreravengirl is out of bounds for expressing a concern that our offense settles for field goals? It's a legitimate concern, and it's not just about the injuries, because we have been doing this short yardage passing game all season long. We need to open up the offense.

FHRaven

10-09-2007, 01:06 PM

listen here Confucius, I'm going to take it one game at a time. If and when Boller plays it will be at the discretion of our head coach. We are not the steelers or anybody else, what they do has no bearing on what we do, I don't care what they do until we face them. If you think its a cliche, oh well. the fact is Boller would have lost a game like this on the road. You know it, I know it.

The defense won the game. That's great, lets move on. Mcnair did nothing to lose it or win it. And that's ok sometimes. Stop hating mcnair already. The sky is falling mentality is so lame.

Where did I bring up Boller? You're starting to become as obsessed as Tex. No small feat.

We are not the steelers or anybody else, what they do has no bearing on what we do,

I realize your football knowledge is nill, but you do know they are in our division, right? So their performance is pretty relevant, especially since they are leading our division and they bitch-slapped 2 teams that, one we barely beat and the other we lost to handily.

Think, learn, reason before you post.

festivus

10-09-2007, 01:07 PM

Sdo you really think bmoreravengirl is out of bounds for expressing a concern that our offense settles for field goals?
I wasn't addressing just her, except on the one non-football thing. I was addressing the thread, and if I said it once I said it a bazillion times, our red zone offense is atrocious. It is unacceptably bad.

This dink and dunk offense, for all everybody complains about it, moves the ball up and down the field. Clearly we have to do better in the red zone, but I do *not* agree that a short yardage passing attack will necessarily do poorly in the red zone. Whether it's play calling or execution or injuries or all of the above, our red zone performance is horrid and needs to get right.

It's a legitimate concern, and it's not just about the injuries, because we have been doing this short yardage passing game all season long. We need to open up the offense.
No, it's not just about the injuries. But if we get healthy we might live up to our potential, and if we don't, I don't think we can.

My point was to separate the dink and dunk stuff - which seems to be working fine, even though it's boring - from the red zone stuff. One does not necessarily follow from the other, and if the red zone stuff can be fixed then I don't think there will be so many people here griping about dinking and dunking for touchdowns.

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 01:08 PM

BTW, aren't you the same person who won't clear the snow off his car although it could cause a potentially deadly accident?
yea that was me

Sorry, but when someone practically brags about how he is too busy to clear snow and ice off the roof of his car, and doesn't care if it's dangerous to others, it's fair game.
Fair game? Ha ha ha. You don't know how much I'm laughing. That Snow on top of the car thing was my greatest take ever. When you bring it up it shows you have nothing else but to bring up an obvious off season goof. The more you bring it the stupider you look and the more I laugh at you.

The Hate and venom from people like ravens31 and HW towards me is easily detectable and quite honestly childish. Grow up. the two of you. :grbac:

And insinuating that I am a McNair hater, Boller lover, not a true fan because I expressed concern about an injured McNair affecting our ability to score in the redzone isn't a cheap shot? How foolish of me to defend my stance.
If the shoe fits then wear it.

BTW Thanks for the props ExiledRaven and Festivus :thumbup:

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 01:16 PM

I realize your football knowledge is nill, but you do know they are in our division, right? So their performance is pretty relevant, especially since they are leading our division and they bitch-slapped 2 teams that, one we barely beat and the other we lost to handily.

Think, learn, reason before you post.

Again for the thick and the hard headed ones. What the steelers do have no significance until we face them. They can beat teams 100-0 but if we face them and win 9-2 it doesn't matter what the fuck they did against the any other team. We have to win anyway we can no matter who we play. All the other stuff will work itself out. Get a grip FH its only week 5. Reason it out bro.

FHRaven

10-09-2007, 01:24 PM

Again for the thick and the hard headed ones. What the steelers do have no significance until we face them. They can beat teams 100-0 but if we face them and win 9-2 it doesn't matter what the fuck they did against the any other team. We have to win anyway we can no matter who we play. All the other stuff will work itself out. Get a grip FH its only week 5. Reason it out bro.

I already did and I'm trying to explain it you. If they are beating teams 100-0 and we're beating (or losing) to the same teams 9-7. That is cause for concern.

Can the Ravens improve on offense? Sure. Can the Steelers get worse? Sure. But after 5 games, we are behind in both production and the standings. I'll use small words for you. Being behind is BAD.

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 01:31 PM

I already did and I'm trying to explain it you. If they are beating teams 100-0 and we're beating (or losing) to the same teams 9-7. That is cause for concern.
No you didn't reason it out. For example the cowboy sucked ass last night. Especially Romo. in the end will it ever matter how they played as long as they pulled a way with a win. Is this penetrating? And stop acting like you know what the out come of our season is because you don't.

Can the Ravens improve on offense? Sure. Can the Steelers get worse? Sure. But after 5 games, we are behind in both production and the standings.
We are one game back with plenty of football to play. Again the main thing with production is winning. Let me break it down for you in the simpliest terms. if we get a W, thats cool.

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 01:32 PM

yea that was me

Fair game? Ha ha ha. You don't know how much I'm laughing. That Snow on top of the car thing was my greatest take ever. When you bring it up it shows you have nothing else but to bring up an obvious off season goof. The more you bring it the stupider you look and the more I laugh at you.

The Hate and venom from people like ravens31 and HW towards me is easily detectable and quite honestly childish. Grow up. the two of you. :grbac:

If the shoe fits then wear it.

BTW Thanks for the props ExiledRaven and Festivus :thumbup:

crazy,

you started with me in this thread, basically telling me to shut up and not worry about anything. I'm merely finishing it.

I choose to worry about what seems to me to be a glaring problem, and apparently I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I guess you have no problem with me saying that you're blind and heartily sucking off McNair, do you? I mean, if the shoe fits. . .

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 01:40 PM

you started with me in this thread, basically telling me to shut up and not worry about anything. I'm merely finishing it.
if i was going to tell you to shut up I wouldnt basically do it, I'd do it. You have a vivid imagination, cause I never said anything of the kind.

Now shut the fuck up. :laugh:

I guess you have no problem with me saying that you're blind and heartily sucking off McNair, do you? I mean, if the shoe fits. . .
You know I've had an infraction for calling someone a pinhead. Be careful 31 this board is tough. Not that I'm offended I always expect you to be a foul mouthed woman. Honestly it is a turn off.

Rochardrik

10-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Pardon me, but the "dink and dunk" stuff seemed to work well enough last year, I mean which game was it , last year , that we didn't dink and dunk? Which game did we "go long" in? I must have dozed off! I remember one 15 yd pass that went for 75 yds. But I think that is "dink and dunk", with some YACS, (which we have had precious few of this year)..Now, if ya wanna talk about the "red zone" futility, That's a different story. We need badly to improve! :hammer: My hope is that when we get the rest of the team back from IR... (hope springs eternal) That the scheme once again will work in our favor. Then again, maybe the rest of the league has figured out how to stop it!:bag:

bmoreravengirl

10-09-2007, 03:02 PM

I appreciate your "concern" crazyraven, but I can handle myself.

Aren't you married? Why are you concerned about whether what I do turns you on or off?

crazyraven

10-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Aren't you married? Why are you concerned about whether what I do turns you on or off?

Hmmm dont flatter yourself just yet, I was talking in general, girls who curse make me sick.

StingerNLG

10-09-2007, 03:40 PM

Rochardrik

10-09-2007, 03:47 PM

Ok, but the defense last year was also giving up 10 fewer points a game, and causing turnovers and sacks. Something that this year is NOT really happening.

Good point... let's fix that!:hammer:

Rayvens52

10-09-2007, 04:15 PM

StingerNLG Ok, but the defense last year was also giving up 10 fewer points a game, and causing turnovers and sacks. Something that this year is NOT really happening.

Ok here we go with another one trying to put blame on the D. So our defense is not Ranked number 1 for the first time in like 10 years, not that we have had an O ranked in the top 10 for ever. Leave the D out of it, to be honest they can do, say whatever they want and we should all be happy. Again they are the reason Bmore has a ring not because of our lack of an O. Honestly any fan on here that wants to blame our D for any part of this season has no idea about football, never played it, and should just stop watching NOW!!!!!!!

The Fanatic

10-09-2007, 09:22 PM

Ok here we go with another one trying to put blame on the D.

Ya know, I don't think anybody here is placing blame on our defense.

Stringer is pretty much stating a fact here.

The defense has not produced the way it has in the past in certain catagorys which has led to more points against certain teams thus far.

Once again, I don't think anybody is placing blame here.

The blame belongs on the offense even more now because they can't seem to get their act together tro offset the slipage in defense.

The offense for the most part hasn't been able to hold up their end of the bargain for 9 damn years now.

The defense is changing now due to players getting older, injurys and free agent loses.

The focus on team construction has seemed to be more geared to the offense as of late and less to the defense.
With a change in team building phylosiphy leaning more to offense it is taking away from the defense.

I have no problem with that.
My problem is that the offense still is stuck in neutral when it comes to putting up points forcing the defense to produce the miracles that it simply can't do anymore.

If the offense would actually score some points I highly doubt the defense would appear to be slipping much at all, and would probably be ranked a bit higher.

The dink and dunk crap has it's place, and quite frankly has its positives.

Nothing wrong with depleting game clock and forcing the oppositions defense to stay on the field while keeping their offense off it.

Quite frankly, I think this is exactly the type of game plans we should be useing when we get into the bulk of the schedule with the Colts, Chargers and New England.
Might as well throw in Pittsburgh as well.

Teams that seem to win by large margins can't do that very well if their offense isn't on the field.

They need to fix this redzone bullshit and fix it fast.

I'll admit wayching this dink and dunk crap is like watching paint dry, but it serves its purpose well if we're capping it off with touchdowns.

HoustonRaven

10-10-2007, 06:59 AM

Honestly any fan on here that wants to blame our D for any part of this season has no idea about football, never played it, and should just stop watching NOW!!!!!!!

What a pathetic statement ...

You show your football wisdom with that gem. Wake up and smell the harbor ... Our D is quitting in the 4th quarter!

It doesnt take a degree in Footballology to see that. All you need to do is pick up a box score and see we give up more points in the 2nd half that most of the D's in the league. Thats a HUGE PROBLEM! This isnt some off-the-wall opinion that self-loathing fans love to spew -- its a statistical reality. While I agree with you that falling out of number 1 shouldnt be a big deal, what is a big deal is giving up HUGE leads to bush-league teams like Arizona and The Jets. Even in the Niners game, we allowed them drive enough for a field goal try. :eyes:

Maybe its comfy to have your head in the sand but I prefer to make observations based in fact. :insane:

Living on past success doesnt bode well when you're trying to improve a football team.

Rayvens52

10-10-2007, 02:50 PM

Houston I couldn't agree more with you, all I am saying is we should give them a break. I was only saying that this thread is about our O and alot of people seem to just switch back and start blamming the D. All I am saying is this D is ranked 4th in the league right now, and yes they might not look stellar in the 4th quarter recently but I am not going to get pissed at our D after all they have done for us as fans, without that D we would be the worst team in the league for the past 10 years. I want to hear our fans start blamming the real problems here on this team, Mcnair and his sloppy play, Billick and his bad play calling. Not Ray for saying what we were all thinking, and our D for having 2 bad quarters against the Cards and Jets.

Fanman

10-10-2007, 03:37 PM

"R52 said:
I want to hear our fans start blamming the real problems here on this team, Mcnair and his sloppy play, Billick and his bad play calling. Not Ray for saying what we were all thinking, and our D for having 2 bad quarters against the Cards and Jets."

Hmmmmm...whenever I question McNair or esp Billick I get drilled on this board. Billick is a farce and if not for Matt Stover would have been canned years ago. I can't wait until he is fired....and he should be if they miss the playoffs this year.

FM
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Rayvens52

10-10-2007, 04:10 PM

Fanman said:

Hmmmmm...whenever I question McNair or esp Billick I get drilled on this board. Billick is a farce and if not for Matt Stover would have been canned years ago. I can't wait until he is fired....and he should be if they miss the playoffs this year.

FM

I am sorry to hear that and you will never hear me drill you for blamming the real problems with this team. I don't know how any fan could make an argument for Billick what has he ever done here. It was Marvin Lewis and our D that won the super bowl. It is Ozzy and our scouts that get us all the great talent we draft year in and year out, and It is Billick who keeps our offense in the bottom half of the league every year, and his choice to play an unhealth Mcnair instead of Boller who is the better option RIGHT NOW. Anyone that wants to say Billick isnot a problem here is crazy, even the players themselves do not like his coaching trust me!!

Fanman

10-10-2007, 04:15 PM

I agree w/ you R52. This team is on the brink of a meltdown and unless Billick can get the offense in the endzone starting this week the season will be over.

Few coaches do less w/ more like Billick. Bring in another coach w/ the same players and a new OC and this team can make the playoffs IMO.

FM

highwater

10-10-2007, 04:24 PM

To listen to this whining about Billick, you'd think we were 0-5. Sheesh.

And enough with this "Marvin Lewis won the Super Bowl" nonsense. He's in his fourth season with the Bengals and their defense has SUCKED pretty much every year. Meanwhile, the Ravens defense has continued to prosper without him, under Mike Nolan and now Rex Ryan. Marvin Lewis was a part of the Super Bowl success, but to say he won it, considering what's happened after he left, is a stretch to say the least.

Galen Sevinne

10-10-2007, 04:32 PM

a couple points:

Our defense is ranked 4th overall:)
McGahee is 4th in the NFL in rushing:)
Mason leads the AFC in receptions:)
In 13 times in the redzone, McNair has produced just three touchdowns:(

Blame McNair, Blame Billick, Blame the Refs, Blame me for not wearing my purple boxers this years.

The first ten games of the year are about getting the "W". We have three, I would be happier with 4 but being only one off is probably okay.

The final 6 games of the year are about getting the "W" AND looking good. I don't think we need to be jumping ship just yet. Right now the Ravens look like a playoff contender but not a Superbowl team by any means. By week 12, I think teams want to start peaking for the playoffs. We will see then what is happening...right now get the "W" so there is still areason to peak in week 12.

highwater

10-10-2007, 06:26 PM

Blame McNair, Blame Billick, Blame the Refs, Blame me for not wearing my purple boxers this years.

Damn you Galen, for not wearing your purple boxer shorts this year! I should have known it was you all along!

Fanman

10-10-2007, 09:10 PM

RavenTD

10-11-2007, 05:54 AM

We shouldn't really worry how the Ravens get to the promised land [endzone].
But that they get in it,and taste its sweet delights.

Instead of running for 2-3yds with Jamal.We are now passing for 2-3yds to our receivers.Its called evolution,wink wink.

Galen Sevinne

10-11-2007, 10:31 AM

Our defense is ranked 4th overall (in what..yds btn the 20s?)

McGahee is 4th in the NFL in rushing (but Billick can't scheme to get him into the endzone...he has 1 TD in 5 games...that stinks)

Mason leads the AFC in receptions (yeah of 6 yds and also leads in running routes short of the flag on 3rd down)

In 13 times in the redzone, McNair has produced just three touchdowns
(is this ALL SM...no.. Watch the play calls of most other teams and you will see over and over when in the redzone they run wide and throw to the middle...Billick does the opposite)

These stats are baloney:

The only stats that matter is how many pts you score and that is directly related to how often you convert in the redzone.

FM

Dude you sound angry! The Ravens are doing some good things. Will the Ravens go to and win the Super Bowl? Probably not. Are they the team we thought they could be during training camp? Definitely not. I think that was pretty apparent during the preseason games which everyone thought didn't matter. There are still some good things happening.

Rayvens52

10-11-2007, 11:56 AM

I agree there are some good things going on, our O line's future looks bright, mcgahee is a great addition, and we have good recievers. But to anyone on this site or any raven fan for that matter to say stop blamming billick is joke. We have not had an offense in baltimore since vinny was here god that sucks. Billick is a very overrated coach living on his success in min when he had randy moss. He is no genius, mydog can call the same BS plays he calls during a game. Even a peewee football coach knows to bench your QB when he is not healthy, this is not a popularity contest this is about winning and boller is the healthier better option right now. I am not saying we should hang billick but really 1 deep pass in 60 minutes sunday is a JOKE. Throwing short of the sticks on third down is joke. Not running mcgahee 30 times a game is a joke, billick is a JOKE

highwater

10-11-2007, 02:44 PM

1 deep pass in 60 minutes sunday is a JOKE. Throwing short of the sticks on third down is joke. Not running mcgahee 30 times a game is a joke, billick is a JOKE

Well then, why aren't you laughing?

crazyraven

10-11-2007, 03:51 PM

The only stats that matter is how many pts you score and that is directly related to how often you convert in the redzone.
Red zone stats are BS.
The only stat that matters is how many wins you have. The most telling stat is how many losses you have.

Billick is a very overrated coach living on his success in min when he had randy moss
Really? Media types hate his guts. How the hell is he overrated.
Billick has a nice winning percentage as a coach, I enjoy that as a fan--thats no joke.