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italianjoker
10-05-2006, 12:12 PM
should DUI Sams not be back there, then who should?
it was reported on WNST that Reed and Clayton are back there in practice and this is utterly moronic if true. brushing up on their skills, ok. being the replacement should Sams not be able to go, never. Ross should be the "next man up." you can not expose two of your stars to the possibility of injury like that. especially when Ross is on this team.
thoughts?
RAVENOUS52
10-05-2006, 12:17 PM
I'm frightened... With our limited offense, decent Kickoffs and Punt returns are an absolute necessity for this team.
B.J. Sams really wasn't thinking about the TEAM when he pulled this shit. :grbac:
Sephy
10-05-2006, 12:18 PM
WTF is Ross on the team for if he isn't returning kicks in Sams' absence?
Brandon
10-05-2006, 12:24 PM
WTF is Ross on the team for if he isn't returning kicks in Sams' absence?
Exactly! I was never high on him to begin with, so if he isn't back there returning kickoffs and punts then why is he wasting a roster spot?
Having Ed Reed back there is moronic. We need him up there at the line of scrimmage on punt coverage since he is good at blocking punts.
Clayton back there is also moronic, because if he gets hurt, then we are stuck with Clarence Moore. That's frightening in itself.
Sephy
10-05-2006, 12:33 PM
Lets have Clarence Moore return kicks ;)
italianjoker
10-05-2006, 12:45 PM
Lets have Clarence Moore return kicks
i can see it now, he would wave for the fair catch before the ball left the punter's foot. then he would drop it because the defenders got too close.
ravenjoe
10-05-2006, 12:48 PM
ABSOLUTELY, UNDER NO CONDITIONS should Clayton and/or Reed return punts! Period! The back-up, whoever he is, should be the one...that's what he is there for! And, reiterating something I alluded to earlier, a disciplined organization would have showed Mr. Sams the Exit Door by now; but then, that's what a disciplined organization would have done!
Admin Steve
10-05-2006, 01:13 PM
Why would Sams not be there? The NFL can't do anything until the case is adjudicated in court. That may not happen until after the season. Are you saying Billick would deactivate him? I think not.
Clayton back there is also moronic, because if he gets hurt, then we are stuck with Clarence Moore. That's frightening in itself.
Demetrius Williams would be ahead of Moore, and possibly Darling.
Clayton is very elusive and is a play maker, he would probably be an excellent punt returner. Are punt returners any more likely to get hurt returning a punt in comparison to a WR catching a pass?
ravenjoe
10-05-2006, 01:31 PM
On my team, Mr Sams would be riding the proverbial pine until such time as his case was adjudicated in court, At which time his future with the team would be decided. The team may not be able to do anything until that time; however, in the meantime, Mr Sams would have time to contemplate the seriousness of his actions.
FHRaven
10-05-2006, 01:40 PM
Demetrius Williams would be ahead of Moore, and possibly Darling.
Clayton is very elusive and is a play maker, he would probably be an excellent punt returner. Are punt returners any more likely to get hurt returning a punt in comparison to a WR catching a pass?
The general perception is that yes, they are more likely to get hurt. I've never seen (or looked) for data that proves this.
FHRaven
highwater
10-05-2006, 02:16 PM
Does anyone remember when Quadry Ismail was our top WR and he almost got his knee blown up on a kickoff return? I would not like to see that happen to Clayton.
Two other points -- Sams hasn't been suspended (although I suppose he could be), and if he is, why wouldn't Ross be the return guy? Like Sephy said, isn't that why he's on the team?
Heap86
10-05-2006, 02:20 PM
it was reported on WNST that Reed and Clayton are back there in practice and this is utterly moronic if true. brushing up on their skills, ok. being the replacement should Sams not be able to go, never. Ross should be the "next man up." you can not expose two of your stars to the possibility of injury like that. especially when Ross is on this team.
I would say that they are brushing up on thier skills. I find it highly unlikely that Billick would even think about using Clayton or Reed to replace Sams. Why would Ross even be on the active roster? I don't see Ross ever being used in the Tailback role unless there is a rash of injuries.
Clayton could be a thought, but Reed, No Way. Reed has not been very good at returning punts anyway. With our recieving options limited, Clayton should not be a thought either.
GreenWave52
10-05-2006, 02:31 PM
I don't understand why they wouldn't use Ross if Sams can't go.
italianjoker
10-05-2006, 04:02 PM
Sams has not been suspended by the NFL and may not be until after the season. i was just stating what was being reported in case others did not hear it.
as for a reason why Sams would not be back there? maybe Billick would put Sams into his doghouse for stupidity? not sure, but they were still fielding punts.
remember when CMac wanted to up his contract numbers and kept screwing up punts? granted, the alternative was LaMont Frightful, but we had other people that could have gone back there. CMac was actually playing well at that time.
and yes, i do remember when Q almost tore his leg up returning for us.
RavenHusker
10-05-2006, 04:47 PM
I've been watching Ross return kicks in college the last few years, the Ravens will be fine. The main reason he made the team is because of his return abilities so have a little faith in the guy. He made the roster for just this scenario, to be able to fill in and not skip a beat. It is called depth, that is a good thing...
FadeToBlack
10-05-2006, 04:54 PM
I remember back in the late 80's, the 49ers had John Taylor returning punts for them. I would consider Taylor a more dangerous receiver than Mark Clayton.
I'm not saying I agree with having a fulltime starter as a kick returner, but Bill Walsh did try that once.
RavenTD
10-05-2006, 05:29 PM
No way,no way at all should Reed be back there.He is getting up gimpy or dinged enough each game as it is,without returning kicks.
FellsPointRaven
10-05-2006, 05:34 PM
No way,no way at all should Reed be back there.He is getting up gimpy or dinged enough each game as it is,without returning kicks.
Not only that, but as elusive a runner as Ed is, he does have a tendency to hold the rock exposed, one handed, and waving it around like a baton in a relay race. I'd rather we didn't fumble a punt return on our own 30, thanks much.
Brandon
10-05-2006, 09:05 PM
Demetrius Williams would be ahead of Moore, and possibly Darling.
My point is, that if Clayton was hurt, Clarence Moore would probably be active and used as our #3 and maybe even #2 since he has more game experience than Demetrius Williams at the moment. I am sure they would activate him over Devard Darling.
Clayton is very elusive and is a play maker, he would probably be an excellent punt returner. Are punt returners any more likely to get hurt returning a punt in comparison to a WR catching a pass?
A punt returner isn't running in stride with the ball when they are catching it, like a wide receiver is. They are pretty much a standing duck, and need to rely on their speical teams return coverage to block for them as they look up in the air to follow and catch the ball.
Besides, Mark Clayton is our #2 WR and has made big clutch plays for us the last two weeks when we really needed it. I would much rather see him lining up out there opposite of Derrick Mason when the offense is on the field than sitting on the sidelines in street clothes because he was returning punts.
That's not a risk the RAVENS should be taking, especially with Cory Ross collecting an NFL paycheck for being on this team.
This is all kind of moot anyways, because it's already been confirmed that Sams IS playing Monday night. Also, according to Aaron, the trial could take place after this season, so he may not be suspended at all.